SHaking leg while peeing little drops?

[littlehoneybee]

My 4 month old, 1.5 lb yorkie male has been acting a little strange over the past two days. In the evening last night and the night before he will awake from sleep or stand up or something and pee just a few drops. Usually while he does this his back right leg kicks very fast. No whimpering or whining, no visible discomfort other than the leg kicking. He pees normal during the day, this has only happened in the evening. Could this be a UTI? No response from vet yet. It just seems strange to me that it only appears to be happening at night and he doesn't seem to be uncomfortable at all.

[littlehoneybee]

Update - My yorkie has some type of seizure or something about fifteen minutes ago. Woke up from napping on my lap and his whole body started shaking. He wasn't really blinking his eyes and his front left leg
was completely stretched the whole time and his back right leg was shaking the whole time. It lasted a few minutes. I put him down to see if he could walk and he couldn't stand up his back legs. He wasn't able to stand for a good five minutes even though the shaking had stopped. After five minutes or so he was able to stand completely but he was a little wobbly for a few minutes after that.
I called my vet and told them everything and they gave me an appointment at 5 today. They said that was the soonest they could fit me in and not to worry.
He hasn't eaten or drinken much today. I got him to drink a decent amount about ten minutes ago, and he ate a treat but no regular food.
What could cause this?

[BonBon]

I'm just seeing this thread. I'm so sorry you're baby is seizing. And I'm very glad you're getting him in to see the vet today - that's the best thing you could do. I'll keep you both in my prayers. Please give us an update when you know more.

[ARCHIE]

Sending you prayer's that he will be ok.
Thank heavens you can see the vet today.
Good luck, poor baby.

Let us know what happens.

[bjh]

I am sorry your baby is sick. I hope the vet can come up with some answers. You definitely need to get him checked for liver shunt. It is possible he could have a UTI. What type of diet has you puppy been on? Please keep us updated.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by littlehoneybee

Update - My yorkie has some type of seizure or something about fifteen minutes ago. Woke up from napping on my lap and his whole body started shaking. He wasn't really blinking his eyes and his front left leg
was completely stretched the whole time and his back right leg was shaking the whole time. It lasted a few minutes. I put him down to see if he could walk and he couldn't stand up his back legs. He wasn't able to stand for a good five minutes even though the shaking had stopped. After five minutes or so he was able to stand completely but he was a little wobbly for a few minutes after that.
I called my vet and told them everything and they gave me an appointment at 5 today. They said that was the soonest they could fit me in and not to worry.
He hasn't eaten or drinken much today. I got him to drink a decent amount about ten minutes ago, and he ate a treat but no regular food.
What could cause this?

you need to get blood work and bile acids done as this could be liver shunt that is the first thing you need to rule out as most seizures happen at night and sounds like he is having seizures at night - how long after eating are these seizures occurring? what is the protein percentage of the food? Due to age and yorkie first thing i would rule out is liver shunt as uti he would not be having a seizure - you could take a urine sample in as well and have urinalysis as they see if there are crystals in urine when liver shunt as well as they will tell them both uti and if liver is being affected

[littlehoneybee]

I looked up symptoms for liver shunt; he isn't drooling, vomiting or drinking excessively, and about an hours after the treat he did eat a meal, and then even played a little with my other dog. Very strange, he seems to be going back and forth from being tired not feeling well and having a seizure, then a couple of hours later is playing and eating like normal.

Both my dogs eat Beneful puppy. That is what the people I purchased them from were feeding them. I don't know enough to know if that's bad or good, I kept them on the same food.

If i can manage to get a pee sample before my appointment i will, but that's easier said than done for a 4 month old male; and he hasn't gone pee as many times today. Usually he goes every 2-3 hours while he is awake; its almost three now and he has only gone twice today. Once around 8 in the morning, and a little bit around 12:30.

Thank you for you information, doing my own research helps me not feel so helpless if the vet tells me what it is. Its nice to have an idea of what I might be dealing with ahead of time.

[bjh]

I hate to tell you this but Beneful is a horrible dog food, one of the worse on the market. With liver shunt the symptoms can vary depending on the severity. Usually dogs with liver problems will start acting weird a little bit after eating then after the food has digested they will start feeling better. It has to do with the ammonia building up in their bodies due to poor liver function. Please get your puppy checked out.

[littlehoneybee]

Thanks for the input, What should I feed them instead?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by littlehoneybee

I looked up symptoms for liver shunt; he isn't drooling, vomiting or drinking excessively, and about an hours after the treat he did eat a meal, and then even played a little with my other dog. Very strange, he seems to be going back and forth from being tired not feeling well and having a seizure, then a couple of hours later is playing and eating like normal.

Both my dogs eat Beneful puppy. That is what the people I purchased them from were feeding them. I don't know enough to know if that's bad or good, I kept them on the same food.

If i can manage to get a pee sample before my appointment i will, but that's easier said than done for a 4 month old male; and he hasn't gone pee as many times today. Usually he goes every 2-3 hours while he is awake; its almost three now and he has only gone twice today. Once around 8 in the morning, and a little bit around 12:30.

Thank you for you information, doing my own research helps me not feel so helpless if the vet tells me what it is. Its nice to have an idea of what I might be dealing with ahead of time.

they do not have to have all the symptoms they can just have one and a big one is SEIZURES - make sure no rosemary in any treats as that can trigger seizures

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by littlehoneybee

Thanks for the input, What should I feed them instead?

are you near knotts berry farm? If so go see dr jean dodds and have her do the pre and post bile acid test here is her info www.hemopet.com and google her resume dr jean dodds resume - she is who does all our blood work and i think you are in southern california ???

[bjh]

[QUOTE=littlehoneybee;2921462]Thanks for the input, What should I feed them instead?[/QUOTE

I don't know what is available in your area but here are some links that might be helpful. The first two are YT threads that discuss different dog food. The third link is a good website that gives dog food reviews and explains what to look for in dog food.

It is important to first find out if your puppy is having a liver problem because if he is he will require a special diet.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-choosing.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ur-yorkie.html

Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble

[dwerten]

also some dogs never have a symptom at all and have a shunt and it shows up later as i helped a dog with 3 shunts and no seizures, nothing but got bladder stones at 4 and when they did bile acids he had a high bile acid and was operated on for stones and he had 3 shunts so they could not repair the shunts -- it is better to repair when young so more shunts do not develop as this dog could not have a repair as they can only repair if they have one and the body adapts and blows more shunts if the one is not corrected like happened with this dog

all yorkies and maltese should be bile acid tested per out vet due to the high probability of them having this

[littlehoneybee]

I just got back from the vet. They did a physical example and did not find any problems. When i explained the "Seizure" the vet told me this is not a typical thing you would call a seizure, it sounds like more of a metabolic reaction. He said it was possibly a hypoglycemic reaction to not having eaten enough.
Then he told me he wanted to do several hundred dollars worth of blood work to rule out cancer and liver shunt because seizures are a symptom of liver shunt. Moments earlier, he had told me my dog had not had a seizure.
I care for my dog very much, but I am a reasonable person. I don't need to spend several hundred dollars to find out my dog doesn't have cancer when I am 95% sure (and the vet is too from what he told me) that he doesn't have it. I told them that I would like to watch him for another day or two. If I see that he is getting better, then its very likely that it was hypoglycemia and I will be on the watch for that more. If he gets worse or doesn't improve, then clearly something else is wrong and i will get the needed tests then. I feel that vets are very premature to assume your dog needs to be tested for everything under the sun, this is something common in the medical profession as well.
After eating the afternoon, Toby rapidly improved. Drank much more, began to play with our other Yorkie Vespa and had a big rise in energy. Since then he is peeing, eating and playing. I think it is very likely that it was a blood sugar issue. I know some of you think I am a horrible dog owner for not rushing to spend all my money on bloodwork. I am not saying I WON'T get it, but common sense and balance should come in to play as well. I would have the same reaction to my own medical care. I hope very much that I see no further problems with Toby; if I do, I will take the needed steps and get bloodwork done.

I would like to thank all of you for your encouraging posts and helpful suggestions.

Thank You

[dwerten]

ok first not impressed with vet already CANCER in a 4 month old pup are you kidding me sorry you need to find another vet I will read more and respond