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dwerten · 12-18-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten

ok first not impressed with vet already CANCER in a 4 month old pup are you kidding me sorry you need to find another vet

I will read more and respond

I do not think you are horrible as i know all too well about vets

and agree BUT in this case seizures are nothing to mess with and since 38% of yorkies are likely to have a liver shunt it runs very high in the breed and most vets are clueless about liver shunt. Also hypoglycemia runs hand and hand with liver shunt so unless your dog is not eating then i would not suspect hypoglycemia as my dex had hypoglycemia when he was a pup and he was lethargic laying on his side he did not seize so i honestly think this is liver shunt

and hope i am wrong.

Jean dodds is a non-profit and blood work is way cheaper there and she is awesome and has studied blood work for 40 years she knows her stuff and she is very conservative and not a big drug or test pusher and she is close to you - I drive 1 1/2 hrs to see her to get my titers and blood work done from her and you will love her - She is in Garden Grove area near knotts berry farm
i drive there because she is awesome and she does not charge an arm and leg for titers and blood work

littlehoneybee · 12-18-2009, 06:49 PM

Yes I was not too impressed with this vet either.

I completely understand that seizures would be a serious health issue, but the vet did tell me that what happened to my dog was NOT in fact a seizure in his opinion.

In regards to liver shunt, is a blood test required to find out if your dog has it, or will urine testing suffice?

dwerten · 12-19-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by littlehoneybee

Yes I was not too impressed with this vet either.

I completely understand that seizures would be a serious health issue, but the vet did tell me that what happened to my dog was NOT in fact a seizure in his opinion.

In regards to liver shunt, is a blood test required to find out if your dog has it, or will urine testing suffice?

you stated when he woke up from a nap he was shaking all over and the vet said that is not a seizure ? Look up seizures on youtube.com and see if any of those are similar as i think the shaking in your lap was a seizure unless dreaming but that does not sound to be the case and seizures can happen when sleeping - sorry i disagree with vet

Next time it happens take a video on your digital camera if you have enough time - was your dog dazed after it happened?

They need to see if crystals are in the urine so a urinalysis can tell that you can take a free catch off back of wee wee pad for that

the bile acids are done after 12 hr fast they pull blood and you need to do a full panel and a pre bile with that sample to see what is going on glucose will be low if hypoglycemia which i do not believe this is what it is but that is a symptom of liver shunt. Then you need to bring food and feed him in your car etc as i do not leave mine at the vets unless absolutely necessary. or if you live close take him home feed him then 2hr on the dot you need to have blood pulled and that is your post as that is how long it takes to get to the liver to digest and it has to be done exact or the blood work is worthless so if you go home get to vet 20 min before that two hrs and make sure they are pulling it right on the dot - then you can truly rule out liver shunt if it is below 100 most likely not a shunt but mvd

where did you get your yorkie from a reputable breeder? ASk the breeder if any liver shunt is in the line and ask breeder if the parents were bile acid tested

dwerten · 12-19-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by littlehoneybee

Update - My yorkie has some type of seizure or something about fifteen minutes ago. Woke up from napping on my lap and his whole body started shaking. He wasn't really blinking his eyes and his front left leg
was completely stretched the whole time and his back right leg was shaking the whole time. It lasted a few minutes. I put him down to see if he could walk and he couldn't stand up his back legs. He wasn't able to stand for a good five minutes even though the shaking had stopped. After five minutes or so he was able to stand completely but he was a little wobbly for a few minutes after that.
I called my vet and told them everything and they gave me an appointment at 5 today. They said that was the soonest they could fit me in and not to worry.
He hasn't eaten or drinken much today. I got him to drink a decent amount about ten minutes ago, and he ate a treat but no regular food.
What could cause this?

this is a seizure

littlehoneybee · 12-21-2009, 11:11 AM

Update - So sunday Toby still wasn't feeling well (not much appetite, not as active) and he went to the bathroom and then came inside and sat on my lap and he would sit down and then he kept wiggling like he wasn't comfortable, and he peed a few drops on my lap. He's never peed on me before and it wasn't on purpose. He obviously wasn't feeling better so we did go in and get the bloodwork done. We should be getting results today or tomorrow. Hopefully its not too serious!

dwerten · 12-21-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by littlehoneybee

Update - So sunday Toby still wasn't feeling well (not much appetite, not as active) and he went to the bathroom and then came inside and sat on my lap and he would sit down and then he kept wiggling like he wasn't comfortable, and he peed a few drops on my lap. He's never peed on me before and it wasn't on purpose. He obviously wasn't feeling better so we did go in and get the bloodwork done. We should be getting results today or tomorrow. Hopefully its not too serious!

did they check his urine as well as you need to get a urinalysis to see if crystals in urine or uti so i would recommend culture and urinalysis but i prefer free catch even if a little contaminated to needle catch through bladder with ultrasound as that does not go without risk

dwerten · 12-21-2009, 06:51 PM

did they do blood work on a 12 hr fast and did they do the pre and post bile acid test i recommended so he does not have to go back in for 2 more blood draws if alt comes in high as this way he would only have 2 blood draws and not 3

littlehoneybee · 12-22-2009, 08:19 PM

This was not a specific blood test for shunt. It was a basic blood panel to get more information on the dog's health to see where to go from there. Toby has increased levels of protein, (as opposed to decreased which would be present if shunt because of poor liver function) an increased amount of calcium and some dehydration. The vet has suggested changing his food temporarily to see if his health improves. I am picking up prescription food tomorrow. He also said some of these symptoms could be cause by stomach worms. I just recently bought this puppy and am not sure if he was given de-worm medication or not, so we are giving him that as well. I got this puppy from a friend who purchased it from her friend's neighbor who moved right after. So I have no history for the dog and his family and no way to contact the breeder. I can't confirm if anyone in his line has had liver shunt. I do have problems getting him to drink as much as I feel he should, the vet said the dehydration could cause some of the symptoms, so I have started giving him water through a syringe if he doesn't drink frequently enough. I also started changing the food over since someone told me Beneful is horrible. I went to the Dog Analysis website and found out how horrible it really is. I started switching them to Wellness two or three days ago to see if it would help. I have noticed (i dunno if it's related or just a coincidence) that Toby has had much more energy and no more incidents of the "peeing" (little drops) since I have changed the food. He has been eating well and has seemed to be in much better health. I am going to try the prescription food anyways, if his health still improves or stays better then that will give me info too. I didn't realize the food I was feeding them was so dangerously unhealthy. My other dog Vespa has a sensitive stomach and throws up frequently (not all the time, or "regularly" but enough that it concerns me) so I am hoping changing the food will help her as well with these issues.

dwerten · 12-23-2009, 10:24 AM

i hope this all helps but high protein in blood can be liver related as well as the dogs with liver issues cannot process proteins very well and why they have to be on a low protein diet so I still think i would have him bile acid tested and my vet feels all yorkies and maltese should be bile acid tested as it is so prevalent in the breed. Many vets are not that up on liver shunt so if you see one more seizure please have this done. A seizure due to dehydration or hypoglycemic is pretty rare as i have experienced the hypoglycemic and it is different than what you described below

AmberWin · 02-01-2011, 12:22 PM

I realize this has been over a year ago, but I was looking up reasons why my 3 year old yorkie started inexplicably shaking in his hind legs last night and just wanted to sleep. He's completely normal today, honestly I thought his anal glands might have needed to be expressed. My sister-in-law's beagle has to have that done all the time, and my groomer said she did that to Baxter when she comes to groom him (who knew?). He had been gassy the day before. Anyway, if you're still checking the board, how is Toby these days? I have learned more about yorkies than I knew before. Fortunately I know the breeders and I can ask them if there are liver shunts in his line.

12-18-2009, 06:49 PM	#17
littlehoneybee Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: murrieta, ca, us Posts: 18	Yes I was not too impressed with this vet either. I completely understand that seizures would be a serious health issue, but the vet did tell me that what happened to my dog was NOT in fact a seizure in his opinion. In regards to liver shunt, is a blood test required to find out if your dog has it, or will urine testing suffice?

12-21-2009, 11:11 AM	#20
littlehoneybee Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: murrieta, ca, us Posts: 18	Update - So sunday Toby still wasn't feeling well (not much appetite, not as active) and he went to the bathroom and then came inside and sat on my lap and he would sit down and then he kept wiggling like he wasn't comfortable, and he peed a few drops on my lap. He's never peed on me before and it wasn't on purpose. He obviously wasn't feeling better so we did go in and get the bloodwork done. We should be getting results today or tomorrow. Hopefully its not too serious!

12-21-2009, 06:51 PM	#22
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	did they do blood work on a 12 hr fast and did they do the pre and post bile acid test i recommended so he does not have to go back in for 2 more blood draws if alt comes in high as this way he would only have 2 blood draws and not 3

12-22-2009, 08:19 PM	#23
littlehoneybee Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: murrieta, ca, us Posts: 18	This was not a specific blood test for shunt. It was a basic blood panel to get more information on the dog's health to see where to go from there. Toby has increased levels of protein, (as opposed to decreased which would be present if shunt because of poor liver function) an increased amount of calcium and some dehydration. The vet has suggested changing his food temporarily to see if his health improves. I am picking up prescription food tomorrow. He also said some of these symptoms could be cause by stomach worms. I just recently bought this puppy and am not sure if he was given de-worm medication or not, so we are giving him that as well. I got this puppy from a friend who purchased it from her friend's neighbor who moved right after. So I have no history for the dog and his family and no way to contact the breeder. I can't confirm if anyone in his line has had liver shunt. I do have problems getting him to drink as much as I feel he should, the vet said the dehydration could cause some of the symptoms, so I have started giving him water through a syringe if he doesn't drink frequently enough. I also started changing the food over since someone told me Beneful is horrible. I went to the Dog Analysis website and found out how horrible it really is. I started switching them to Wellness two or three days ago to see if it would help. I have noticed (i dunno if it's related or just a coincidence) that Toby has had much more energy and no more incidents of the "peeing" (little drops) since I have changed the food. He has been eating well and has seemed to be in much better health. I am going to try the prescription food anyways, if his health still improves or stays better then that will give me info too. I didn't realize the food I was feeding them was so dangerously unhealthy. My other dog Vespa has a sensitive stomach and throws up frequently (not all the time, or "regularly" but enough that it concerns me) so I am hoping changing the food will help her as well with these issues.

12-23-2009, 10:24 AM	#24
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	i hope this all helps but high protein in blood can be liver related as well as the dogs with liver issues cannot process proteins very well and why they have to be on a low protein diet so I still think i would have him bile acid tested and my vet feels all yorkies and maltese should be bile acid tested as it is so prevalent in the breed. Many vets are not that up on liver shunt so if you see one more seizure please have this done. A seizure due to dehydration or hypoglycemic is pretty rare as i have experienced the hypoglycemic and it is different than what you described below

02-01-2011, 12:22 PM	#25
AmberWin YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2	I realize this has been over a year ago, but I was looking up reasons why my 3 year old yorkie started inexplicably shaking in his hind legs last night and just wanted to sleep. He's completely normal today, honestly I thought his anal glands might have needed to be expressed. My sister-in-law's beagle has to have that done all the time, and my groomer said she did that to Baxter when she comes to groom him (who knew?). He had been gassy the day before. Anyway, if you're still checking the board, how is Toby these days? I have learned more about yorkies than I knew before. Fortunately I know the breeders and I can ask them if there are liver shunts in his line.