I'm relatively new to this and if I were this lady I wouldn't post here again. She was obviously hurting and needed some advice. :(

The problem is that this poster is not some "newbie" coming on here for friendly advice.
As Megansmomma said, she was on here last year looking for advice to breed her 10 month old girl on her first heat:
1) She bred Sassy at 10 months in Oct 2008 (first heat).
2) Sassy had a pup 12/27/2008.
3) She put the pup up for sale 3/11/2009.
4) Sassy has new pups born 9/1/2009.

And now because there are those who disagree with coddling her and encouraging her to continue breeding we are being horrible? How about we are trying to point out her past breeding experiences to those who may not have looked them up in order to give the whole picture.

She took Sassy to the vet and the vet told her to start all of this stuff for her pups? Where does it say she actually took the pups in to be diagnosed? One died the day before she posted her thread and yet she still didn't take the rest of the pups in? Before she ever "left" for her vet appt, she didn't reply to the questions of why she started them on certain meds and what else she had done, even though she posted after those questions were asked..
If anything, hopefully this thread will scare newbies away from wanting to breed irresponsibly as I don't know what else you would call this

Of course we all feel for the momma and the pups but that doesn't mean the owner needs to be encouraged in her breeding. One can only hope she gets Sassy spayed.

I didnt see anyone encouraging her to breed. Just giving sympathy

If you closed your eyes and ran your car into a light pole I wouldn't feel very sympathetic. I'd be sorry if you got hurt but I would definitely tell you not to drive with your eyes closed. I feel this scenerio applies here.

I'm sorry the pups died, it's very sad. It still needs to be said however that one must be responsible and prepared when breeding. If you don't have money put away for the care of the mom and pups than don't breed. Breeding is not a necessity, it's a priviledge that comes with alot of responsibility. If anything good can come from the death of these pups hopefully it will be this lesson learned.

Exactly! Far too many people think it is ok to be irresponsible.

If this had been children, she would have been arrested. Why is it OK to neglect any living beings?

Don't feel that bad..even those with lots of experience lose babies..and THAT is a fact. I can't take the "bashing" with this topic. No wonder people go to petstores to buy their puppies..and IF they want to "breed"(Heaven forbid!), they are chastised and given all the doom and gloom..but yet read all the HAPPY, PROUD stories from those that do breed! Why not EDUCATE the new breeder..not criticize?? The best breeders in MY opinion, are those that do not freak if a buyer says they want to breed..but mentors them. Many of long-lasting friendships have been made this very way.

Well said.

Your opinion is why there are so many poorly bred and homeless animals in this world.

Yes, you are correct.......

"water seeks its own level"

Or.... "birds of a feather"

Because there is a difference in someone wanting to break into the breeding world and doing it responsibly versus someone who comes on and posts that her puppies are dying and didn't have the money to take them to the vet when just a few months before she already sold puppies from this same momma who had been bred on her first heat at 10 months old.

I don't breed, but I'm all about educating new breeders and encouraging them to do it properly, as there IS a way to do it properly. I've been involved with rescue and there are too many stories of pups that come from situations like this.

The "bashing" comes from the breeder's irresponsibility. If you think it's just opinion on her situation, go search for her previous posts.

I'm sorry, I just read thru everything and see no neg..I only see people reaching out. You may want to go back a read how wonderful and supportive YT members are....Please go back and read.

Excuse me? MY opinion is WHY there ARE well-bred Yorkshire Terriers! It is YOUR point of view that leads to this behavior..just putting 2 dogs together for $$$!
Breeders also have a responsibility to the breed in general..and that ALSO includes those that are entertaining breeding..you can't talk down to them and expect that they will listen to someone that is treating them that way???? That they will have an "epiphany" or something?? NO..they will buy from a broker or puppymill..or petstore..so on and on it goes ad nauseum. If a good breeder would have just taken her under their wing..maybe, JUST maybe..this situation would not have happened.
I cannot believe how RUDE your post was to me..totally uncalled for!! If you're in rescue..it's time to get out..you are burned out..don't worry..there ARE others that will carry the torch..JMHO.

Wherein did you get the impression that the OP was seeking a good mentor to take her under their wing?

Her first post she came on here wanting to know why her 10 month old hadn't gone into heat yet. Her next post was can she get pregnant from only one mating and then we've got a pregnant Sassy. I don't see anywhere that she came on here asking for advice on how to do it properly.

IF she had purchased her pup from a reputable breeder in the first place, Sassy would have been on limited reg and unable to be breed. IF the OP had purchased her from a reputable breeder in the first place and mentioned wanting to bred, well then she'd probably have that mentor that you're talking about.

BUT SINCE SHE DIDN'T DO THAT, it's on HER shoulders for breeding irresponsibly.

Actually no....shelters are full, rescues are full and just about every tom, dick, and harry figured out during these rough times we can bred dogs and make $$$$. Until we stop euthanizing 4 to 5 million pets a year this random breeding has to stop. Where is your empathy for the animals...they have no control over their lilfe.

This woman made the decision to breed her dog, not once but twice and when an emergency came up didn't take them to a vet who is trained to save life. No different then if a family had a child that got sick...it goes to a doctor. Everyone of you would be screaming bloody murder if this had happened to a child.

Anyone that is in rescue is sick of looking at animals losing their life for greed...anyone in rescue is full to the breaking point because people are dumping their pets everyday...shelters are sick of it, rescues are sick of it but the people who don't look at this everyday seems to think it is okay for puppies to die because this girl didn't want to spend the $$$...Explain to me why this is acceptable...??????

How does anyone know that she didnt go to the vet after she made this post and got advice to take them to the vet. I know she said she really didnt have any money but she could have borrowed the money you dont know. Also I think it is very wrong that other members on here are criticized for giving helpful advice or sympathy

And it's ok that those of us who think she acted irresponsibly and shouldn't be coddled are getting criticized?

I dont see them getting criticized just people saying you have gone over the line. Im sorry but when someone says someone is birds of a feather thats crossing the line. I am seeing a whole lot more being said then breeder irresponsibility.

Cindy of course we don't want more dogs in rescue but there is such a thing as handling a situation with a bit of tact.

Do you think if Pat (YorkieRose) were still here it would have been handled this way. She would have looked beyond what the op had posted and seen some of the problems she probably was in, that she may not have been in earlier. Pat would have made her see her mistake in a kind way but at least express to her some sympathy.

There is a time and place for everything and some really show their colors for all of us to see.

Who said that someone is "birds of a feather". How is it you find that insulting anyway?

"Birds of a feather, flock together" is the entire saying and it is true. People of like interests and ideas do stick together. Simple fact.

Once again a thread has gone astray. This thread was started because
someone was loosing innocent puppies and was in a panic.
It was about saving puppies not about weather or not she should have
bred her female. Live's were at stake and this woman needed help
from people who know how to help her. What is wrong with all of you?
This thread was about saving puppies from dying! I don't blame her
for not coming back. Who are all of you to beat someone up like this.
Times are hard all over the country but you continue to breed your
females knowing homes have to be found. There are so many pups
in rescues why not stop breeding for a year and allow those pups to get
into a loving home? This subject can go round and round forever because
everyone has their own points of view. It's not my business what you
do or how you do it so stop beating up on those who do something
you wouldn't. Next time help save innocent lives then go for the
jugular! I don't agree with what she did with her female but that does
not mean those puppies did not have the right to live!

My sentiments exactly, Amen to that..
hugs,
Carmen in nj

If you go back and read the entire thread, you will see that people DID try to help.
The OP disappeared and after many posts of people inquiring about the puppies....and people sending hugs, I said what I did because I felt it needed to be said.
New people would come here and read that stuff and think....oh, if I breed irresponsibly everyone will love me. Seriously. It was getting to be too much...what kind of message was it? If people would just let threads die when the people disappear after saying such horrific things, then the threads would not come to this. They just get on and go on and on and on about how sorry they feel for the OP.
Go read my original post on this thread....see that I posted way after the fact because at that point the OP had already disappeared and everyone was feeling sorry for HER.

How do you know that just because someone gives someone helpful advice or sympathy that they have like interests or ideas. Im sorry I dont think you can get that from a couple of posts on the internet. I happen to disagree with the breeding situation of the op but I can still use tact and give her sympathy for her losses

Don't put words in my mouth, please. Read below and see if you can grasp what I was saying! I DID quote the person I was responding to!

And I personally like breeders who truly love and protect the breed they are working with. So.....they are the ones I would flock with. She will flock with those who don't have that protection for the animals.

Oh I got a grasp of what you were saying not just on this thread but the other one

Huh? I don't see how another thread has anything to do with my response to that person.

I wish I never posted! Sorry for bothering everyone and starting an angry debate.
But thanks to the ones that really cared.

Please update on your puppies? Are they ok?

I would love an update too! Some of us have been very worried about your pups

Also how are YOU doing and how is mama doing too? I am very concern about you and the pups..
hugs,
Carmen in nj