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annamalyssa 09-07-2009 12:37 PM

Diarreah, Runny Stools What can I give?
 
Gucci has had diarreah for 2 days now and it's driving me insane. SO GROSS!!! ... He has had all of his beds and blankets washed 3X's now and I keep having to bleach the floors where he's ex-penned at ( ex-penned once again only for diarreah now lol)

He woke up the other day with softer than usual Stool and it turned to diarreah later that day. It's not water diarreah but very very soft stool and definately slightly runny. There is no significance in color, if he eats it's lighter if not it's darker but not black and not yellow.

He is going back to the vet this week to test for parasites again, because I can't think of anything else it could be :confused:

He has NOT Gotten into anything
He IS Eating and Drinking like a piggy
He is NOT Lethargic and still playing normally and sleeping normally.. I just don't get it.

Anyway, what can or should I give him to harden his stool back up for now. Thank so much and Hugs everyone!!

dwerten 09-07-2009 03:04 PM

when dd has this i use 2 dds plus capsules it is a non-dairy probiotic you get it from the vitamin shop and i use that on a plate and she licks it up 30 min before she eats as it should be on an empty stomach. If that does not work or he will not lick off plate as u open capsules on plate and he licks then you can mix with a 1/4 tsp of organic pumpkin from whole foods and give on empty stomach - works like a charm as if you give yogurt some dogs are lactose intolerant and makes them have more diarhea if so

dwerten 09-07-2009 03:05 PM

what are you feeding as I think this has gone on for awhile correct?

manina 09-07-2009 03:12 PM

2 days like that , he should see vet asap. I would try white rice it work for me. Max was like this 2 weeks ago for one day and I gave him rice and he was better the next day.
Good Luck !!!!
bark@ulater !!!!
manina,miley:aimeeyork,max:aimeeyork

annamalyssa 09-07-2009 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2790976)
what are you feeding as I think this has gone on for awhile correct?

I am still feeding his usual Innova Puppy... today he got white rice and pumpkin... the stools look to be forming again but they are still "mushy" There has to be something wrong with him. Either Irritable Bowel, or something.. His fecals are always clear and they were clear when he had the vomiting episode (a few weeks ago) so I just don't understand, the way it smells.. is like a Smell you get when there are worms or a parasite.

This has been 2 days with diarreah, I wasn't home when it started.. he had a hard stool.. I left and came back later that evening to a MESS. His little bottom is red from going so much and scooting and I just feel so so bad for him right now. He has been going less today but it's still not hard how I would like it to be.

Does this sound like anythng in particular to you? he just has these random episodes of vomiting mostly but the diarreah is a first for us.


Manina - Gucci has an appt later this week. He is doing fine otherwise, so it's not an IMMEDIATE concern as he has gastric problems all the time. It's just a mess to deal with :(

ladyjane 09-07-2009 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annamalyssa (Post 2791004)
I am still feeding his usual Innova Puppy... today he got white rice and pumpkin... the stools look to be forming again but they are still "mushy" There has to be something wrong with him. Either Irritable Bowel, or something.. His fecals are always clear and they were clear when he had the vomiting episode (a few weeks ago) so I just don't understand, the way it smells.. is like a Smell you get when there are worms or a parasite.

This has been 2 days with diarreah, I wasn't home when it started.. he had a hard stool.. I left and came back later that evening to a MESS. His little bottom is red from going so much and scooting and I just feel so so bad for him right now. He has been going less today but it's still not hard how I would like it to be.

Does this sound like anythng in particular to you? he just has these random episodes of vomiting mostly but the diarreah is a first for us.


Manina - Gucci has an appt later this week. He is doing fine otherwise, so it's not an IMMEDIATE concern as he has gastric problems all the time. It's just a mess to deal with :(


Scooting usually is a problem with the anal sacs. Has anyone checked them?

ladyjane 09-07-2009 03:38 PM

Here is a link to information about anal sacs that is pretty informative:

http://www.bobmckee.com/Client%20Info/GI_Disease/anal%20sac%20disorder.html

carsou 09-07-2009 03:56 PM

Aw poor Gucci, I'd try some more pumpkin it worked for Juicy when she was having Diarreah. I gave her a little the first time and it was more formed so I gave her a tiny bit more and the next time she went everything was back to normal.
Juicy and I send our love.

dwerten 09-07-2009 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annamalyssa (Post 2791004)
I am still feeding his usual Innova Puppy... today he got white rice and pumpkin... the stools look to be forming again but they are still "mushy" There has to be something wrong with him. Either Irritable Bowel, or something.. His fecals are always clear and they were clear when he had the vomiting episode (a few weeks ago) so I just don't understand, the way it smells.. is like a Smell you get when there are worms or a parasite.

This has been 2 days with diarreah, I wasn't home when it started.. he had a hard stool.. I left and came back later that evening to a MESS. His little bottom is red from going so much and scooting and I just feel so so bad for him right now. He has been going less today but it's still not hard how I would like it to be.

Does this sound like anythng in particular to you? he just has these random episodes of vomiting mostly but the diarreah is a first for us.


Manina - Gucci has an appt later this week. He is doing fine otherwise, so it's not an IMMEDIATE concern as he has gastric problems all the time. It's just a mess to deal with :(

yeah sounds like ibd to me -- what is the protein in innova chicken? as that can be the culprit - diarhea is inflammation of large intestine and vomitting is inflammation in small so sounds like he is having issues with both -- has giardia been ruled out as that can be hard to detect- but if no blood in diarhea probably ibd issue :( these dogs have very sensitive stomachs and sometimes chicken can upset and so can white potato diets

annamalyssa 09-07-2009 05:35 PM

You are alwys such a great help and very informative. Here are the ingredients for the Innova Puppy :

Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Ground Barley, Ground Brown, Rice, Cottage Cheese, Tomatoes, Hemp Oil, Chicken Fat, Flaxseed, Whole Steamed Potatoes, Herring, Whole Raw Apples, Whole Raw Carrots, Alfalfa sprouts, Whole Eggs, Garlic, Dicalcium Phosphate, dl-Alpha Tocopherol, Vitamin C (Sodium Ascorbate), Probiotics & Vitamins/Minerals


I think it's IBD as well. Do I need the vet to test him for this when we go in or do they rely on symptoms to make a decision? If I do need to have him tested do I just tell her I want him tested for IBD or is there something specific I need to request. What do I feed him if is IBD anything certain? Right now I have Pumpkin and Rice tomorrow I am going to go out and get the Stuff you had recommended earlier.

There is also Potato in the Innova :( so it could be both. As far as IBD goes, does it just come on suddenly or could the vomiting etc. he's had in the past been episodes as well? thanks again for all your help!

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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2791089)
yeah sounds like ibd to me -- what is the protein in innova chicken? as that can be the culprit - diarhea is inflammation of large intestine and vomitting is inflammation in small so sounds like he is having issues with both -- has giardia been ruled out as that can be hard to detect- but if no blood in diarhea probably ibd issue :( these dogs have very sensitive stomachs and sometimes chicken can upset and so can white potato diets


annamalyssa 09-07-2009 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2791023)
Here is a link to information about anal sacs that is pretty informative:

Anal Sac Disorder

Hi LadyJane, his anal sacks are fine... he was scooting because he had a lil something stuck there :( I just gave him a bath and he's good to go now.

Dwerten - I was considering Dick Van Pattens Natural Balance / Duck & Potato but the Potato could be a problem correct? Their only other alternative is Sweet Potato and Fish :(

ladyjane 09-07-2009 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by annamalyssa (Post 2791197)
Hi LadyJane, his anal sacks are fine... he was scooting because he had a lil something stuck there :( I just gave him a bath and he's good to go now.

Dwerten - I was considering Dick Van Pattens Natural Balance / Duck & Potato but the Potato could be a problem correct? Their only other alternative is Sweet Potato and Fish :(

Well that is good to hear...he has enough issues, poor baby.

amandawash 09-07-2009 07:07 PM

Hey girl, I hate that the Guc is sick AGAIN!!

We went through these GI upsets for months and months and months with Ranger. He was also on Innova. After ER visits, fluids, tons of Pepto (which works amazingly well, BTW), we figured out that he has a food intolerance to turkey. We switched his food to something sans turkey last September, and only have had a few problems since, once when I accidentally fed him something with turkey in it, and another when he had surgery, which was unrelated.

I feel for ya, and for poor baby-boy. These problems are no fun for anyone.

annamalyssa 09-07-2009 07:45 PM

Awe Amanda thank you! I am sure you know how i am feeling since lil ranger has had the same issues. I am going to run all this by the vet, because I'd really just want to get to the bottom of this.

It could be the Turkey or Chicken, I believe that the Adult has a bit more of those ingredients and this all started when I switched him to adult quickly because our local store ran out of puppy ( they are the only store that carries it) Ever since then it seems just little problems and now this.
I just don't know what to feed in the meantime as I really don't like feeding him rice and pumpkin all the time :(



Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2791319)
Hey girl, I hate that the Guc is sick AGAIN!!

We went through these GI upsets for months and months and months with Ranger. He was also on Innova. After ER visits, fluids, tons of Pepto (which works amazingly well, BTW), we figured out that he has a food intolerance to turkey. We switched his food to something sans turkey last September, and only have had a few problems since, once when I accidentally fed him something with turkey in it, and another when he had surgery, which was unrelated.

I feel for ya, and for poor baby-boy. These problems are no fun for anyone.


dwerten 09-07-2009 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annamalyssa (Post 2791193)
You are alwys such a great help and very informative. Here are the ingredients for the Innova Puppy :

Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Ground Barley, Ground Brown, Rice, Cottage Cheese, Tomatoes, Hemp Oil, Chicken Fat, Flaxseed, Whole Steamed Potatoes, Herring, Whole Raw Apples, Whole Raw Carrots, Alfalfa sprouts, Whole Eggs, Garlic, Dicalcium Phosphate, dl-Alpha Tocopherol, Vitamin C (Sodium Ascorbate), Probiotics & Vitamins/Minerals


I think it's IBD as well. Do I need the vet to test him for this when we go in or do they rely on symptoms to make a decision? If I do need to have him tested do I just tell her I want him tested for IBD or is there something specific I need to request. What do I feed him if is IBD anything certain? Right now I have Pumpkin and Rice tomorrow I am going to go out and get the Stuff you had recommended earlier.

There is also Potato in the Innova :( so it could be both. As far as IBD goes, does it just come on suddenly or could the vomiting etc. he's had in the past been episodes as well? thanks again for all your help!

there really is no test other than scoping the intestines but that has its risks - ims said they are seeing dogs with ibd testing high on spec cpli test with no pancreatic symptoms so you can do spec cpli test but honestly i would get on a different diet as the turkey, chicken and white potato i think are doing him in. You may want to try natural balance venison and sweet potato as it is limited ingredient food - my boy is on purina ha as he was pretty severe. Now surprising he can handle chicken and rice foods so you could try newman's own organic and you can get from whole foods or target and i think walmart sells it as he ate my maltese food as i screwed up and he did ok on it and did not get sick which is rare as he gets sick fast on anything but i would probably try the venison and sweet potato for 12 weeks and see how he does as sweet potato is not inflammatory like white potato as it is from a different night shade family and if he does not do well on that i would do a diet with rice in it and give the newman's own a shot as well even if it has chicken as it is a high grain diet which may work for him.

amandawash 09-07-2009 07:55 PM

What about trying one of the Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Diets, such as Venison and Sweet Potato, to see if that helps? At least pumpkin and rice is better than the intestinal stuff my vet always wanted me to feed for a few days. That crap had ethoxyquin in it!!!!!! :eek:

Or, you could homecook or go to raw, which is what we did. I like the raw because there is only one protein source in most formulas. Just don't assume the NV chicken is only chicken, it has turkey in it. We learned that the hard way :rolleyes:

Good luck with the smooch-a-roonie! xoxoxox

dwerten 09-07-2009 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annamalyssa (Post 2791197)
Hi LadyJane, his anal sacks are fine... he was scooting because he had a lil something stuck there :( I just gave him a bath and he's good to go now.

Dwerten - I was considering Dick Van Pattens Natural Balance / Duck & Potato but the Potato could be a problem correct? Their only other alternative is Sweet Potato and Fish :(

NO NO not duck and potato you can do venison and sweet potato as the duck has white potato

dwerten 09-07-2009 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2791319)
Hey girl, I hate that the Guc is sick AGAIN!!

We went through these GI upsets for months and months and months with Ranger. He was also on Innova. After ER visits, fluids, tons of Pepto (which works amazingly well, BTW), we figured out that he has a food intolerance to turkey. We switched his food to something sans turkey last September, and only have had a few problems since, once when I accidentally fed him something with turkey in it, and another when he had surgery, which was unrelated.

I feel for ya, and for poor baby-boy. These problems are no fun for anyone.

yep do not like turkey diets for dogs either

dwerten 09-07-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2791376)
What about trying one of the Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Diets, such as Venison and Sweet Potato, to see if that helps? At least pumpkin and rice is better than the intestinal stuff my vet always wanted me to feed for a few days. That crap had ethoxyquin in it!!!!!! :eek:

Or, you could homecook or go to raw, which is what we did. I like the raw because there is only one protein source in most formulas. Just don't assume the NV chicken is only chicken, it has turkey in it. We learned that the hard way :rolleyes:

Good luck with the smooch-a-roonie! xoxoxox

and the rabbit has chicken in it :( i fed raw for 6 mos in 2005 and not against it but i would try to stick to a limited ingredient diet as not all dogs can tolerate raw

amandawash 09-07-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2791387)
and the rabbit has chicken in it :( i fed raw for 6 mos in 2005 and not against it but i would try to stick to a limited ingredient diet as not all dogs can tolerate raw

Well the rabbit is also from CHINA which is disgusting in itself and the reason we switched to Primal :)

I absolutely agree- raw is not for everyone and most vets will be adamantly against it, especially considering past GI problems.

I do think the limited ingredient diets, homecooked or raw are the only ways to determine ingredient-specific intolerance.

I think it was Tatumsmom a while back who was having serious gastro problems with little Tatum. She was on Innova also, and if I remember correctly the problems stopped after she quit feeding it. I'll have to go back and search...

annamalyssa 09-07-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2791387)
and the rabbit has chicken in it :( i fed raw for 6 mos in 2005 and not against it but i would try to stick to a limited ingredient diet as not all dogs can tolerate raw

Dwerten - So what about Fish and Sweet Potato? would that be Ok to try next?

Amanda - I did consider going raw as well, only thing there is I don't have any idea where to start or what to give since Gucci is so sensitive. I do agree that Pumpkin and Rice is better than some meds the vet would give. Much more natural for him.

As for Gbear He is doing well right now and hasn't had a BM since earlier today.. which is good because for a while it was constant until there was nothing left. Smaller amounts would come out and it was more frequent (which is a symptom of IBD from what I've read). Earlier it was a little less runny and not discolored at all. Hopefully after tonights pumpkin and rice he will be on the mend. I am now asking food suggestions, since it's obviously something going on with his insides.

annamalyssa 09-07-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2791401)
Well the rabbit is also from CHINA which is disgusting in itself and the reason we switched to Primal :)

I absolutely agree- raw is not for everyone and most vets will be adamantly against it, especially considering past GI problems.

I do think the limited ingredient diets, homecooked or raw are the only ways to determine ingredient-specific intolerance.

I think it was Tatumsmom a while back who was having serious gastro problems with little Tatum. She was on Innova also, and if I remember correctly the problems stopped after she quit feeding it. I'll have to go back and search...

I also agree with that statement, I have a Bully that eats the Natural Balance and we had to try a few L.I.D before getting it right. She eats the Sweet Potato and Fish ( I think it's Salmon )

I think that will be our next step... trying the Natural Balance. Is there a brand BETTER than Natural Balance?

dwerten 09-07-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annamalyssa (Post 2791405)
Dwerten - So what about Fish and Sweet Potato? would that be Ok to try next?

Amanda - I did consider going raw as well, only thing there is I don't have any idea where to start or what to give since Gucci is so sensitive. I do agree that Pumpkin and Rice is better than some meds the vet would give. Much more natural for him.

As for Gbear He is doing well right now and hasn't had a BM since earlier today.. which is good because for a while it was constant until there was nothing left. Smaller amounts would come out and it was more frequent (which is a symptom of IBD from what I've read). Earlier it was a little less runny and not discolored at all. Hopefully after tonights pumpkin and rice he will be on the mend. I am now asking food suggestions, since it's obviously something going on with his insides.

no i would not do fish and sweet potato as first choice as some have had loose stool on that diet with allergy dogs

annamalyssa 09-07-2009 08:12 PM

Is the Venison and Sweet Potato a Natural Balance brand or other brand? I am so sorry to bother I am just trying to know what to look for tomorrow as I will be buying a different food for G-bear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2791409)
no i would not do fish and sweet potato as first choice as some have had loose stool on that diet with allergy dogs


dwerten 09-07-2009 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2791401)
Well the rabbit is also from CHINA which is disgusting in itself and the reason we switched to Primal :)

I absolutely agree- raw is not for everyone and most vets will be adamantly against it, especially considering past GI problems.

I do think the limited ingredient diets, homecooked or raw are the only ways to determine ingredient-specific intolerance.

I think it was Tatumsmom a while back who was having serious gastro problems with little Tatum. She was on Innova also, and if I remember correctly the problems stopped after she quit feeding it. I'll have to go back and search...

yes primal is the better raw diet for sure as a new owner took over nv and not as consciencious is what i am hearing and primal also has grinds and more limited ingredient diets you can add vitamins and veggies to for allergy dogs as do not like cilantro, spirulina and alfalfa for allergy dogs

amandawash 09-07-2009 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annamalyssa (Post 2791405)
Dwerten - So what about Fish and Sweet Potato? would that be Ok to try next?

Amanda - I did consider going raw as well, only thing there is I don't have any idea where to start or what to give since Gucci is so sensitive. I do agree that Pumpkin and Rice is better than some meds the vet would give. Much more natural for him.

As for Gbear He is doing well right now and hasn't had a BM since earlier today.. which is good because for a while it was constant until there was nothing left. Smaller amounts would come out and it was more frequent (which is a symptom of IBD from what I've read). Earlier it was a little less runny and not discolored at all. Hopefully after tonights pumpkin and rice he will be on the mend. I am now asking food suggestions, since it's obviously something going on with his insides.

We put Ranger on the NB Fish and Sweet Potato after the lightbulb clicked in my head that it might possibly be his food triggering all this. I fed that for several months with no issues then went to NV raw, which I didn't like but he had no problems, and finally to Primal raw. I have fed Wellness Core (ocean) with no problems either, as snacks and lunch.

I would try a fish-based diet or something like the venison and sweet potato from NB. Try to get something with none of the same ingredients as the Innova he's on. Talk to Crystal (Ellie May) about IBD, she goes through some seriously hard times with Ellie but has tons of great info. I know it's incredibly hard to diagnose 100%.

Here's the thread about the Innova from Tatums Mom. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...-question.html

I hope you can get this figured out quickly!

annamalyssa 09-07-2009 08:18 PM

Thank you for all the great information, I am going to scramble off and do some research on these threads and hunt down Ellie May tomorrow.

I think I will try the NB first since we have another dog on that and I have some experience with the brand. I am also going to take a list of the innova ingredients and research online. I am also hoping this is resolved soon :( I hate when he has problems like this.

The Wellness has a few LID foods as well so I am going to look them up as well and see which rates higher.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2791415)
We put Ranger on the NB Fish and Sweet Potato after the lightbulb clicked in my head that it might possibly be his food triggering all this. I fed that for several months with no issues then went to NV raw, which I didn't like but he had no problems, and finally to Primal raw. I have fed Wellness Core (ocean) with no problems either, as snacks and lunch.

I would try a fish-based diet or something like the venison and sweet potato from NB. Try to get something with none of the same ingredients as the Innova he's on. Talk to Crystal (Ellie May) about IBD, she goes through some seriously hard times with Ellie but has tons of great info. I know it's incredibly hard to diagnose 100%.

Here's the thread about the Innova from Tatums Mom. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...-question.html

I hope you can get this figured out quickly!


dwerten 09-07-2009 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2791415)
We put Ranger on the NB Fish and Sweet Potato after the lightbulb clicked in my head that it might possibly be his food triggering all this. I fed that for several months with no issues then went to NV raw, which I didn't like but he had no problems, and finally to Primal raw. I have fed Wellness Core (ocean) with no problems either, as snacks and lunch.

I would try a fish-based diet or something like the venison and sweet potato from NB. Try to get something with none of the same ingredients as the Innova he's on. Talk to Crystal (Ellie May) about IBD, she goes through some seriously hard times with Ellie but has tons of great info. I know it's incredibly hard to diagnose 100%.

Here's the thread about the Innova from Tatums Mom. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...-question.html

I hope you can get this figured out quickly!

does ellie may consult susan davis as i disagree with susan on the white potato diets she puts ibd dogs on :( and she also puts dogs on turkey diets which i disagree with so that is my concern as i have analyzed ibd to death since my dog has it now for 3 years so this is something i know very well and my dog vomits any white potato and actually my two other dogs do as well and they do not have ibd so not a fan of white potato for dogs and our vet said many dogs cannot tolerate potato as his dogs cannot either and once we kept my dex off white potato diets he has been fine for 3 years but prior to that he was sick for a year costing me 10k in hospitalization for pancreatitis and ibd from excessive vomitting as his is in his small intestines as he never had diarrhea

lil fu fu girl 09-08-2009 02:02 PM

Diarrhea is a symptom.
The cause of which, is the destruction by a bioinfectious agent that has changed, or by toxicity, destroyed the natural flora in the intestines. Once the flora is no longer active and functioning the intestines both small and large can no longer digest the nutrient content in the food, or finish the water absorbtion process that forms the normal firm stool that most dogs deficate.

So the first order of priority is to re-establish the flora. Pro-biotics either through a natural food selection such as yogurt, or by adding probiotic powder will concentrate on fixing the cause and not just the symptom.
Good luck

dwerten 09-08-2009 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 2792208)
Diarrhea is a symptom.
The cause of which, is the destruction by a bioinfectious agent that has changed, or by toxicity, destroyed the natural flora in the intestines. Once the flora is no longer active and functioning the intestines both small and large can no longer digest the nutrient content in the food, or finish the water absorbtion process that forms the normal firm stool that most dogs deficate.

So the first order of priority is to re-establish the flora. Pro-biotics either through a natural food selection such as yogurt, or by adding probiotic powder will concentrate on fixing the cause and not just the symptom.
Good luck

agree BUT alot of dogs are lactose intolerant so i use non dairy probiotics dds plus instead of yogurt for this reason as if the dog is lactose intolerant they will have diarrhea from the yogurt thus not correcting the problem


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