Orphaned 1 day old 3oz puppies-need advice please

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by mojo

Found this - this girl has orphans - maybe you can pm her and she can help you -


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yt-...e-orphans.html

thanks...I am still trying to find some one close to this person....anne

[AbbysMom08]

Originally Posted by jrsm1965

My yorkie Izzy had 3 gorgeous puppies, all full term, everything went well at delivery. 4 hours later took her to the vet for she seemed to be sick and she died within an hour at the vet of EndoToxemia- i am extremely sad- i am not a breeder (not that that matters) but i wanted my 2 young girls to experience puppies- had no idea my Izzy would die. Anyway, the bottle is too big so we are feeding with a syringe ever 1-2 hours- the vet said the first 3 days are critical-

any one experience this and have suggestions on how to keep them alive. we cant find a nursing mother, for that would be their best chance.

Rhonda

Let me say welcome to Yorkie Talk. There a re a lot of very caring and knowledgeable people here.
I am so very sorry for your loss. I'm sorry I can't offer any help as I have no experience with this situation. What I can do is offer up prayers for the babies and you. Please take care and let us know how you and they are doing.

[FlDebra]

My condolences on your momma dog, Rhonda! I know all too well the pain of that grief. But you don't have time to mourn now for there are 3 little lives depending on you. I had the same thing happen 11 weeks ago. My sweet Sadie left me 5 beautiful puppies to care for. The vet tried to save her too but it was not to be. I knew the danger but had fooled myself that she was so healthy it would never happen to us. It is a fact that birthing puppies for toy breeds is a dangerous risk! We need to take it seriously. But for now -- your job is to be the momma dog.

For the first 3 weeks you will not get much sleep at all. They will need fed every two hours for the first 2 weeks, then you can gradually go to 3 and 4 hours between feedings. I started with the Esbilac puppy milk replacement forumla. But upon advice from some of the more experienced breeders here, I switched to goat's milk -- mixed half/half with water that I boiled first. I used a syringe too with a nipple on the end. Make several tiny holes in the nipple with a hot needle. Then you can ensure each puppy gets enough to eat. I made sure the milk was just a little warmer than room temp, testing it on my wrist. They will get the idea of the nipple before too long and you won't have to use the syringe but still monitor how much each pup is taking in. Watch their little tummies pouch out to pear shape. I went by the feeding measurements on the formula -- Here is an example from online:
1st week 3.75 calories/ounce of body weight daily
2nd week 4.50 calories/ounce of body weight daily
3rd week 5.00 calories/ounce of body weight daily
4th week 5.50 calories/ounce of body weight daily
When you multiply it by the number of ounces of body weight -- then divide by the number of feedings per day.
The third week I started adding a little baby rice cereal with the milk. That helped lengthen the time between feedings and let me get a few hours of MUCH NEEDED sleep.

Make sure to keep them warm! They make a puppy heating pad. You can find it at petsmart. If they are out in the puppy department, look in the small animal department and they have them too. These do not get as hot as the ones sold for people and are safer. If you use a people pad, ensure it is on the low setting and well wrapped with blankets to ensure it doesn't come in contact with the puppy. Never leave them alone with the heating pad on as you need to always check in case of malfunction. It is really important to keep them warm. If they cry at the beginning it is usually because they are hungry or cold.

I had my vet check them when I was there fighting for my momma girl's life. Then I brought them in a few days later to have their tails and dew claws done so he checked them really well again. We weighed daily for awhile. Then I could see all were on track and I went to once a week or so.

You will have to stimulate them to pee and poop for the first few weeks. Take a damp cotton ball or gauze pad and gently wipe at their business ends. They will usually pee immediately when you wipe there, but the other takes a little more patience. But be sure they do both. They should pee each time you feed them and poop at least a couple times each day. They will probably do more.

I also did a lot of extra stroking/petting. Mother dogs are constantly licking and nosing their little ones. So I figured they needed a lot of touch.

I did have one fail to thrive for a short time, but I fed him almost hourly with just a few drops, rubbed Nutrical for Puppies on his gums when he seemed to get lethargic, and held him close to me to sleep. He finally kicked in and started eating and caught up with the others. The vet had not thought we would save him but I was determined. I felt I had let my Sadie down and at least owed it to her to do everything possible to save the puppies. With blessings from above, they all made it! They get another set of shots tomorrow (I have split mine up so they don't have to get so much at one time) and then the vet will sign their Health Certificate. That is going to be so sad for me because it means they can go to their new homes. I wish I could keep everyone of them. You will bond so firmly with your little ones, I am sure you will feel the same way. They are the most amazing puppies. I guess because of all the extra human contact and actually getting fed and newborn care from a human, they think they are ours in every way. Talk about loving little ones! They are going to be a true joy!

Please PM me if you would like my phone number. I would be glad to answer anything that comes up. This is all so fresh in my mind. I learned as I went and got lots of help from members here. I would be glad to help, or just talk. It is going to be a lot of work -- but so rewarding! Best wishes to you and the puppies. I am sending a prayer up for you all!

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

My condolences on your momma dog, Rhonda! I know all too well the pain of that grief. But you don't have time to mourn now for there are 3 little lives depending on you. I had the same thing happen 11 weeks ago. My sweet Sadie left me 5 beautiful puppies to care for. The vet tried to save her too but it was not to be. I knew the danger but had fooled myself that she was so healthy it would never happen to us. It is a fact that birthing puppies for toy breeds is a dangerous risk! We need to take it seriously. But for now -- your job is to be the momma dog.

For the first 3 weeks you will not get much sleep at all. They will need fed every two hours for the first 2 weeks, then you can gradually go to 3 and 4 hours between feedings. I started with the Esbilac puppy milk replacement forumla. But upon advice from some of the more experienced breeders here, I switched to goat's milk -- mixed half/half with water that I boiled first. I used a syringe too with a nipple on the end. Make several tiny holes in the nipple with a hot needle. Then you can ensure each puppy gets enough to eat. I made sure the milk was just a little warmer than room temp, testing it on my wrist. They will get the idea of the nipple before too long and you won't have to use the syringe but still monitor how much each pup is taking in. Watch their little tummies pouch out to pear shape. I went by the feeding measurements on the formula -- Here is an example from online:
1st week 3.75 calories/ounce of body weight daily
2nd week 4.50 calories/ounce of body weight daily
3rd week 5.00 calories/ounce of body weight daily
4th week 5.50 calories/ounce of body weight daily
When you multiply it by the number of ounces of body weight -- then divide by the number of feedings per day.
The third week I started adding a little baby rice cereal with the milk. That helped lengthen the time between feedings and let me get a few hours of MUCH NEEDED sleep.

Make sure to keep them warm! They make a puppy heating pad. You can find it at petsmart. If they are out in the puppy department, look in the small animal department and they have them too. These do not get as hot as the ones sold for people and are safer. If you use a people pad, ensure it is on the low setting and well wrapped with blankets to ensure it doesn't come in contact with the puppy. Never leave them alone with the heating pad on as you need to always check in case of malfunction. It is really important to keep them warm. If they cry at the beginning it is usually because they are hungry or cold.

I had my vet check them when I was there fighting for my momma girl's life. Then I brought them in a few days later to have their tails and dew claws done so he checked them really well again. We weighed daily for awhile. Then I could see all were on track and I went to once a week or so.

You will have to stimulate them to pee and poop for the first few weeks. Take a damp cotton ball or gauze pad and gently wipe at their business ends. They will usually pee immediately when you wipe there, but the other takes a little more patience. But be sure they do both. They should pee each time you feed them and poop at least a couple times each day. They will probably do more.

I also did a lot of extra stroking/petting. Mother dogs are constantly licking and nosing their little ones. So I figured they needed a lot of touch.

I did have one fail to thrive for a short time, but I fed him almost hourly with just a few drops, rubbed Nutrical for Puppies on his gums when he seemed to get lethargic, and held him close to me to sleep. He finally kicked in and started eating and caught up with the others. The vet had not thought we would save him but I was determined. I felt I had let my Sadie down and at least owed it to her to do everything possible to save the puppies. With blessings from above, they all made it! They get another set of shots tomorrow (I have split mine up so they don't have to get so much at one time) and then the vet will sign their Health Certificate. That is going to be so sad for me because it means they can go to their new homes. I wish I could keep everyone of them. You will bond so firmly with your little ones, I am sure you will feel the same way. They are the most amazing puppies. I guess because of all the extra human contact and actually getting fed and newborn care from a human, they think they are ours in every way. Talk about loving little ones! They are going to be a true joy!

Please PM me if you would like my phone number. I would be glad to answer anything that comes up. This is all so fresh in my mind. I learned as I went and got lots of help from members here. I would be glad to help, or just talk. It is going to be a lot of work -- but so rewarding! Best wishes to you and the puppies. I am sending a prayer up for you all!

thanks so much for this post.. I sure wish the OP were checking in.. she needs to see how willing we are to help her out.. pm's have beens sent but no replies as of yet.. I have been sitting here praying she checks in tonight... anne

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

thanks so much for this post.. I sure wish the OP were checking in.. she needs to see how willing we are to help her out.. pm's have beens sent but no replies as of yet.. I have been sitting here praying she checks in tonight... anne

Think positive Maybe she got some good advice either from her vet or online and is busy taking care of those little ones. I remember how tired I got for a while there. But now that I think about it, I was on here a lot too because I did not have time to do much but I could leave YT open and just read and post a little between feedings.

Hopefully we will hear from her soon!

[ryorkies]

Anne, God bless you for being here to help. You truly are a blessing ....

This post is very helpful and I also thank you so much for taking the time to help someone in trouble....

Hopefully this person has found the help they need, but PLEASE come back and let us know how you and the puppies are.
We care .....

Originally Posted by FlDebra

My condolences on your momma dog, Rhonda! I know all too well the pain of that grief. But you don't have time to mourn now for there are 3 little lives depending on you. I had the same thing happen 11 weeks ago. My sweet Sadie left me 5 beautiful puppies to care for. The vet tried to save her too but it was not to be. I knew the danger but had fooled myself that she was so healthy it would never happen to us. It is a fact that birthing puppies for toy breeds is a dangerous risk! We need to take it seriously. But for now -- your job is to be the momma dog.

For the first 3 weeks you will not get much sleep at all. They will need fed every two hours for the first 2 weeks, then you can gradually go to 3 and 4 hours between feedings. I started with the Esbilac puppy milk replacement forumla. But upon advice from some of the more experienced breeders here, I switched to goat's milk -- mixed half/half with water that I boiled first. I used a syringe too with a nipple on the end. Make several tiny holes in the nipple with a hot needle. Then you can ensure each puppy gets enough to eat. I made sure the milk was just a little warmer than room temp, testing it on my wrist. They will get the idea of the nipple before too long and you won't have to use the syringe but still monitor how much each pup is taking in. Watch their little tummies pouch out to pear shape. I went by the feeding measurements on the formula -- Here is an example from online:
1st week 3.75 calories/ounce of body weight daily
2nd week 4.50 calories/ounce of body weight daily
3rd week 5.00 calories/ounce of body weight daily
4th week 5.50 calories/ounce of body weight daily
When you multiply it by the number of ounces of body weight -- then divide by the number of feedings per day.
The third week I started adding a little baby rice cereal with the milk. That helped lengthen the time between feedings and let me get a few hours of MUCH NEEDED sleep.

Make sure to keep them warm! They make a puppy heating pad. You can find it at petsmart. If they are out in the puppy department, look in the small animal department and they have them too. These do not get as hot as the ones sold for people and are safer. If you use a people pad, ensure it is on the low setting and well wrapped with blankets to ensure it doesn't come in contact with the puppy. Never leave them alone with the heating pad on as you need to always check in case of malfunction. It is really important to keep them warm. If they cry at the beginning it is usually because they are hungry or cold.

I had my vet check them when I was there fighting for my momma girl's life. Then I brought them in a few days later to have their tails and dew claws done so he checked them really well again. We weighed daily for awhile. Then I could see all were on track and I went to once a week or so.

You will have to stimulate them to pee and poop for the first few weeks. Take a damp cotton ball or gauze pad and gently wipe at their business ends. They will usually pee immediately when you wipe there, but the other takes a little more patience. But be sure they do both. They should pee each time you feed them and poop at least a couple times each day. They will probably do more.

I also did a lot of extra stroking/petting. Mother dogs are constantly licking and nosing their little ones. So I figured they needed a lot of touch.

I did have one fail to thrive for a short time, but I fed him almost hourly with just a few drops, rubbed Nutrical for Puppies on his gums when he seemed to get lethargic, and held him close to me to sleep. He finally kicked in and started eating and caught up with the others. The vet had not thought we would save him but I was determined. I felt I had let my Sadie down and at least owed it to her to do everything possible to save the puppies. With blessings from above, they all made it! They get another set of shots tomorrow (I have split mine up so they don't have to get so much at one time) and then the vet will sign their Health Certificate. That is going to be so sad for me because it means they can go to their new homes. I wish I could keep everyone of them. You will bond so firmly with your little ones, I am sure you will feel the same way. They are the most amazing puppies. I guess because of all the extra human contact and actually getting fed and newborn care from a human, they think they are ours in every way. Talk about loving little ones! They are going to be a true joy!

Please PM me if you would like my phone number. I would be glad to answer anything that comes up. This is all so fresh in my mind. I learned as I went and got lots of help from members here. I would be glad to help, or just talk. It is going to be a lot of work -- but so rewarding! Best wishes to you and the puppies. I am sending a prayer up for you all!

[Sukoshis Gma]

Debra, thank you so much for all the information you've posted. I'm sorry you know all this but hopefully it will help the OP. I hope she gets on here this morning to see we're trying to help her and those babies.

[Sunnie]

Debra, what a great post. This is exactly what the OP came here to find. I pray she comes back to read it. Although I doubt she will after being BLASTED within minutes of posting. I can see she left right after that and will not be back. Why do some people have such BIG smart HURTFUL mouths?? TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR! And why are they still members?? sheesh!!!!!

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

Debra, what a great post. This is exactly what the OP came here to find. I pray she comes back to read it. Although I doubt she will after being BLASTED within minutes of posting. I can see she left right after that and will not be back. Why do some people have such BIG smart HURTFUL mouths?? TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR! And why are they still members?? sheesh!!!!!

i totally agree. we probably will never see this OP on here again. We all know the shoulds and should nots of breeding but to be so mean and hateful to this poster is simply uncalled for at a time like this. Any other time, yes, she needed to be educated but not right now. Altho the rude posts were not educating at all. Just remember your hateful posts when you start breeding. You will be on here also asking, even begging, for help no matter how much you have researched, your time will come.. You can mark that down. we need to help her concentrate on that baby. has anyone heard back from her?

[JJC]

My husband saw her cry for help on CL and let me know about it so I looked the ad up and sent an email to let them know about YT. I felt this was the best place for them to find advice on the help she needs in a quick manner for the pups sake. I hope nobody blasted anybody but it sounds like something may have occured that I missed. I hope not because these pups really need help. I have sent her another email to let her know that there are lots of people here concerned and that have given helpful information. I hope she reads it and returns soon... only time will tell.

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by JJC

My husband saw her cry for help on CL and let me know about it so I looked the ad up and sent an email to let them know about YT. I felt this was the best place for them to find advice on the help she needs in a quick manner for the pups sake. I hope nobody blasted anybody but it sounds like something may have occured that I missed. I hope not because these pups really need help. I have sent her another email to let her know that there are lots of people here concerned and that have given helpful information. I hope she reads it and returns soon... only time will tell.

thank you...deb sillers is away if we can help out for 4 more days.. deb may have a momma she can use to help these babies.. as they are not that far apart from what I am hearing... I have sent her my phone number to call..she also was sent another members number..anne

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i totally agree. we probably will never see this OP on here again. We all know the shoulds and should nots of breeding but to be so mean and hateful to this poster is simply uncalled for at a time like this. Any other time, yes, she needed to be educated but not right now. Altho the rude posts were not educating at all. Just remember your hateful posts when you start breeding. You will be on here also asking, even begging, for help no matter how much you have researched, your time will come.. You can mark that down. we need to help her concentrate on that baby. has anyone heard back from her?

Dee I did hear from her via a pm... so I am hoping she will call one of us that have left a number.. for the babies I thank everyone who is posting and offering to help this person and those precious babies..anne

[Nikis2]

Oh My Goodness.....how horrible. I wish I was close to you I have one that had a false pregnancy and is full of milk and I have one that has puppies that are 8 weeks old and certainly don't need to be nursing anymore.

[LuvmyYorkies2]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

Dee I did hear from her via a pm... so I am hoping she will call one of us that have left a number.. for the babies I thank everyone who is posting and offering to help this person and those precious babies..anne

So glad she contacted you & hope she calls you or Jim soon. Please keep us posted. I pray those little babies make it!

[JJC]

I remembered a lady I just met this last weekend that has a yorkie that has 4 week old babies so I called this lady back (thank goodness I still had her number in my phone) that I have only met once in my life to see if she would be willing to help. She is going to email her and see if she can help. I've got my fingers crossed that they can work everything out and that her momma will nurse these babies. I'm not a breeder so I don't know if her mommas milk would be good for newborns. Do you guys think this might work?