oh Gosh Thors, I don't like this. I hope you can get to a GI soon. I really wonder why his sugar is dropping so much though.

The vet thinks that his sugar dropped because he played so long he forgot to eat, got sick to his stomach and didn't WANT to eat, and then it dropped to the point that it did.

He has been ok since the last time I updated. He even barked at the kids when they came home from school.

He is also eating like crazy now.

I will keep you all posted on him :) It will probably be Monday before I hear from GI though.

Yes definitely keep us posted. I feel so very bad for the little one.

i am praying for Thor.

Oh please take this poor baby to a specialist, this is not normal and my heart breaks for him and you. He sounds like he might have a blockage inside his colon.....maybe a narrowing. Your vet needs to get serious about this, just giving him meds isn't fixing the problem. Poor thing. Please keep us posted.

Sorry, I just saw where you did take him, I hope that he perks up more and more each day.

Thanks for the update on Thor. When he had the runny diarrhea did he yelp? I'll pray that he gets better and better each day.

Well Thor has had 3 big bowel movements today. One Really runny. Two pretty much normal, a little soft, but he has been through a lot the past 2 days.

He DID NOT YELP during these bowel movements. Before, no matter the consistency he yelped. He is also officially off the prednisone and butorphanol. He hasn't had it in 2 days. Not sure why he is not yelping, just glad that he isn't. The vet we took him to yesterday said he WAS NOT impacted at all, all the feces he got out was recent, less than a day old (sorry for graphics). NO matter why he ISN"T yelping, we are just GLAD he isn't yelping.


He had "family time" with us tonight while we watched recorded American Idol episodes and he was a different puppy. He was active, playing, and acting completely normal. He would go from mine and Rob's laps to playing in the floor with the kids. (we pile pillows up so he can climb to the couch to be with Rob and me.)

Lets all just hope that the NON YELPING Thor is here to stay.

I'm hoping and praying that the yelping will stop forever...but still take him to the GI specialist anyway. He must eat frequent small meals to keep his sugar up...and always eat something before going to bed. When you said a barium test...did you mean a colon x-ray or an upper GI? I am assuming it's a barium colon x-ray, where they force barium in through the rectum, as opposed to through the mouth for an upper GI. I would imagine that they would have to keep him over night for the prep, as he will have to be fasting and the bowels empty. This may be dangerous for you to do at home, because of the risk of low blood sugar. Sure do wish him well...the specialist will know how to handle such a tiny little guy.

:thumbup: Yeah, great news. I'll bet Thor is happy to. Poor guy. You must have been beside yourself with worry. I'll pray he gets better each day.

Wow that was horrible to watch. I've never heard a dog make those kinds of noises. It's is wonderful that he is doing better. If you still have problems with him getting constipated you should ask your vet for some lactalose because it will make the poop come out right after he eats and it will be soft, not hard. I hope he continues to get better...he is adorable!

Hey Sharon just a thought. Could this possibly be due to when he was impacted at 6 weeks. The pain he had made him scared to go so he was crying expecting it to hurt. Now that he's had a few loose stools and it didn't hurt him, maybe he is not so afraid now? Tell me I not reaching for straws, lol. Well ya never know

No Jemma, you aren't reaching for straws. The vet thought the same thing and thats why he had him on foods that would hopefully give him diarrhea (ex. Can foods, adult dog food, people food). It DID make it soft but did not make a difference in the sounds :(

As for today, He had 2 BMs and yelped ONE time with each of them. Kind of how a kid, or us even, would yelp if we had hemmoroids or something. It was just a quick OUCH kind of yelp and he got the job done with no crying.


He is acting like a new puppy since early yesterday afternoon. He just acts like he feels SOOO much better. I have him back on the Iams Can food and Science diet kibble. The vet wants him on both so that no matter what he is in the mood for, he will eat.

I have a free sample of Wellness puppy on the way (I hope) in the mail and if he eats that then we will be switching him to that puppy food to see how his system handles it.

I KNOW that a natural diet is what he needs. He needs less chemicals, less BMs, and less unwanted stuff in other foods.

Oh my gosh broke my heart to see poor little thor like this. I just got to see this post and don't know if anyone sugested this, but when we first took Gizmo home he started crying not as bad as Thor but was shaking and crying before pooping poor little thing, the vet checked and the poor baby had an irritated anus he was all red poor baby, therefore the pain and crying she gave him some cream called panolog which I applied to the area 2 times a day for 14 days and no more crying. If I see that he is getting irritated there again I'll just apply a little more and it does the trick. I'm in Canada so don't know if you have the same meds there but it's mystatin neomycin sulfate thiostrepton tiamcinolone acetonide the company that makes it is Novartis. Hope this helps and there is no more yelping for little Thor xo

I know this is probably stupid, but has it occurred to the vet that maybe it's just what Thor does? I mean maybe he's not in pain, maybe he's just odd. LOL There is no bleeding, normal poops, he eats fine. Maybe he is just too young to realize what is going on 'down there' when he goes or something weird like that. Maybe he's mad he need to take time out of playing to go to the bathroom. I know, probably stupid of me to even think that but I have read this whole thread and watched the video... it IS heartbreaking, I never heard noises like that from a dog.... but maybe its just him not liking to go. Nothing more, nothing less. I dunno. I keep praying though that he stops doing that and does not appear in pain anymore. I'd get the ultrasound done just to make sure there is no narrowing in his intestines and no blockages anywhere. That would be the last resort to look for.

I'm just now seeing this thread. I'm so sorry to hear what you and little Thor have been going through. I will keep you in my prayers that a solution is found quickly!!

Aww Everyone..thank you for your continued concern!!:ghug:

I am still not sure what is going on with his pooping issues but I can tell you that he is pooping normally now, and only lets out a tiny yelp (if that). Hopefully this will last, we will just have to wait and see. I can tell you that the Vet also said that this just might be what Thor does. The other vet (the one that i rushed him to on Wednesday) said that he may have "picked up" on the fact that he got attention for doing it and then continued to do it because of that attention. No one knows. Sadly, these little Furkids can't talk to us...It would be so much easier.


I CAN tell you with 100% certainty that the Nutri-Cal has made all the difference in Thor. I am going to raise the question of the possibility of Hypoglycemia now.

Is it possible that this is a genetic thing that has kept him "nonpuppy-like" his whole puppyhood? He honestly is a different little dog. He is nipping, barking, getting on his hind legs more, wanting to be in the same rooms as us constantly, sniffing, you name it and he is doing it since yesterday afternoon. He is even showing interest in the cats and will bark at birds or cats in "his" yard.

I thought the little calm puppy of the past was just Thor's attitude and personality...This "new" Thor shows me different.

BEFORE the Nutri-Cal he acted like a 2-3 year old dog. No all that playful, not lethargic but also not energetic, slept A LOT, no excitement when one of us walked into the room, never whined to be in the same room as us, and just depressed looking.

but now....I mean Rob just said "babe, I am going back OUTSIDE to work on the fence" Thor took off sprinting to the door and was out in the back yard before Rob even noticed. Just from hearing the word OUTSIDE. He was in the living room, I was in the bedroom working on school, and Rob was at back door getting ready to walk out.

This is not the puppy we had in our house a few days ago...that puppy would have said "outside...big deal" and laid back down. Don't get me wrong, he would have his playful TIMES but it wasn't constant as it is now. THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT :) WE LOVE IT!!!!!


So...what do ya'll think? Is Hypoglycemia a possibility?

I'm sooooooo glad Thor is feeling better! I can't answer your question b/c I don't know what a Hyperglycemic attack for a dog is. I know what it is for a human (b/c I have it) but I have no idea what the signs are for a dog. I'm just so pleased to hear of this good news :D!

Oh wow, i just read this whole thread and you guys have been through it!!
I do absolutely thing these two issues of hypoglycemia and the BM prob are seperate one maybe caused with trying to treat the other...As he gets older and hopefully gains some weight, the hypoglycemia should correct itself..if not giving Nutracal with his food can stretch out his glucose levels until he feeds again..I just want to share with you a problem we had with one of our Yorkies, Bogus "Gus"...he used to eat pine bark..dumb me thought he was just chewing on it and after a few days of this, discovered the little nut was eating it..well, he woke us up one night wailing (sounded exactly like your little one on the first posted video)...to make a long story shorter..he had an impaction of stool and wood chips the size of a golfball!! Gus weighed about 3 pounds when this happened...after the impaction was cleared, we had him on a special diet, a human stool softner daily for two months and every BM he had for 5 weeks was this way!!! Our vet said his lower colon (from the wood and the impaction) was inflamed and this is why he thought Gus was having this brown mucus discharge daily...we did the daily butt baths too...He would cry and cry and hold in his stools and was just in agony!! I know Thor didn't eat pine bark...but. if he was impacted at one time, he may have some inflammation in his little colon also...if so, this will heal over time. It sounds like he is on the road to recovery now..I pray he is. Gus actually had his rectum prolapse from the initial impaction. Today he is 2 1/2 years old and doesn't have problems unless he eats something that constipates him. We have to be very careful of what he eats.. Our vet said the large area that was inflammed for so long no longer creates the amt. of mucus needed to "slide" a dry stool along, so we just monitor him and he has pretty much been a normal dog since his recovery. I don't know if this is what Thor is going through, but considering what Gus went through and the way his colon reacted to the impaction, kind of makes sense he could have alot of irritation up in the colon out of the view of what the eye can see....

time for a new vet!
 

Not to very long ago Bingly had issues with his bowel movements and the owner took him to their vet Woodburn Pet Hospital, full service veterinary care in Woodburn Oregon Woodburn Pet Hospital, full service veterinary care and animal hospital in Woodburn Oregon. The vet immediately took him off his dog food & put him on a "gastrointestinal puppy food". I believe it was a "Purina Veterinary Diet -gastrointestinal, k-9". The Vet also put him on "Fortiflora" which is a canine nutritional bacterial supplement to help digest food, also made by Purina. He also had them stir it into a teasoon of Purina gastrointestinal canned food to get him to eat it, but not to give him anymore than a teaspoon of the canned food - Bingly gobbled it down. Since then he has been doing great. He's now on "Blue puppy food", mixed with what was left of the gastrointestinal puppy food. I have also followed the advice given to me by a long-time YT member, who told me - no rich foods, so he doesn't get any, and he doesn't get any rich canned food either. He's doing great, and has a healthy system. I confess that I don't know much about Yorkies, I am still learning about what they can tolerate, or not....I have been advised by several long-time YT members that they are very susceptible to diet composition. I think the advice given by the other YT members is exactly what you should do: get another vet asap, particularly one that is knowledgeable in the gastrointestinal tract of canines. Make certain this isn't something anatomical that your present vet is missing. Seems they could give him something to soothe his sore bottom too, since they make it for humans (such as preparation H, tucks, witch hazel, etc) - they should have something for puppies. Sounds like it's time for a new vet (literally -poor baby!) I hope your puppy feels better soon!

WOW...THANK YOU. It is comforting knowing someone else has "been there". I am sooo glad your Gus is so much better now and I hope that Thor too can also join him in "all better world" :) I DO know that he was impacted at 6 weeks pretty badly and that when he started getting bigger stool, that was when the yelping started so inflammation may be our cause also, just in a different spot.

I will definitely bring this up to the vet when I talk to him again.


I DID GET A CALL FROM THE "ASSISTANT SPECIALIST" TODAY! He said that they think he has scar tissue in there somewhere, making it hard for him to pass poo through. He said to think of a straw half plugged with a peanut or something. They said that IF THE YELPING returns they want him to have a test done where they will fast him for half a day and then pump air into him and xray his stomach and colon. If they see something then they can simply do this at the same time that he is neutered. They don't see why we need to do it now because the yelping has stopped but if it returns the test will be needed.

He also said that the problem may be better because the Nutri-Cal has some oils in it that may be lubricating everything and the Nutri-Cal has a natural stool softener effect. So yea, Thor may have had TWO issues. Both solved by Nutri-Cal.

Steph, what food do you have Gus on? We want to do right by Thor so with you having the same issues with Gus I am sure the food you serve is the best for this situation.



We came home from taking my kids to their dad's house and came home to like 6 piles of formed, but soft stool...ALL ON THE PAPER! Yay Thor.

Oh that poor baby has gone through so much. (and you too) Just when I hear he is doing better, he has a bad day. Well, lets hope Thor will keep on having good days now. Praying for you all. :hands::hands::hands:

Oh my goodness, poor little baby first I had my sound off then when I turn it on Phoebe went crazy and my heart just droop, this is so sad:( hope he get better soon:hands:

Yes, scar tissue is what Gus has where is inflammation was (according to our vet) and he said is doesn't create the needed mucus and mobility to move the stool along....Ok, we have our crew on Lifes Abundance dry food. Here is the website if you would like to check it our Welcome to Trilogy We have had great result with this..I fumbled for sometime with the dry verses wet food with his problem..but Yorkies can have issues with their teeth, so I opted for dry and he has done fine. They do offer a canned wet food now I believe and they autoship which is great for us. I hope Thor is on his way to getting well. It just makes you sick to watch these little guys hurt like that...Pumpkin is also a good softner if you ever need it. If he is doing this well on nutracal though, you may have found his fix!;) Keep us updated on his little butt problem...I have 3 adult children and for the longest they would bring freinds over and introduce the dogs and would seriously grab the visitors hand and say, now Gus is special, he has butt problems....it would give a little chuckle..ONLY after he got well, there was definately nothing funny about it when it was going on...

Thanks ;) I will definitely look into that food!


And To clear a fact up for the poster that says he needs a new vet.

I emailed this video everywhere from California to Massachusetts and none of these vets across the country knew what to do. I am from a small area and there aren't all that many vets to choose from, so I went online trying to find him help.

Thor now has FOUR vets working on his case. His original vet, the emergency vet, the GI specialists assistant, and the GI specialist at the University of Missouri. The ER vet (he is a regular vet but I call him this because an emergency brought us to him, he is an hour away from us) has put Thor and his video and story on a network of THOUSANDS of vets over the world and we WILL find answers.


I just want to make it clear that we ARE doing all we can for Thor.


I am not wanting to sound hateful, I appreciate all the concern and well wishes, I just wanted to be clear for people that are just viewing the video and not all the updates.

I know many people think of Nutri-cal as the best thing going, but Nutri-cal is mainly a sugar that is in a form that reaches the blood stream fast. Hypoglycemia is a condition of low blood sugar. Have you ever gone to long without eating; you may get dizzy, faint, and moody? Well, a dog can go through this too, especially small breed dogs under 4 pounds. Older dogs have more fat, which are energy reserves, a young puppy has no energy reserves, so if it plays to hard, it uses all it's energy and unless it eats immediately it may get an attack of low blood sugar or hypoglycemia. Besides dizziness and lethargy, one of the symptoms is lack of appetite, and they won't eat. This is why the Nutri-Cal, is useful, you can get the sugar into their blood stream in less than 20 minutes, and "cure" the low blood sugar. However, protein should be given as soon as possible, or you have a situation where the body will make too much insulin to handle all the sugar from the Nutri-cal, and since insulin lowers the blood sugar, this can cause another attack of hypoglycemia. Protein on the other hand, will help the blood sugar stay at a more normal level. So while Nutri-cal is useful in treating an attack of hypoglycemia, it is not a preventative, and if too much is used, it can bring another attack on. It's kind of like giving a child an "energy bar" before dinner; it can ruin the appetite for more nutritious food. I mentioned earlier free feeding and this means having food available at all times, this can prevent ever having an attack of hypoglycemia because the dog will eat when hungry, and not get "over hungry", which causes low blood sugar. Hypoglycemia Symptoms and Treatment

Hey Sharon. how is Thors doing. You know what would be great, yet frustrating as all hell? If Thors got all better, (the great part) but we never found that reason that caused it, (grrrr, the frustrating part) Anyway Mommy, you have gone way above in finding all the help you could.
Hang tight!

Hey Guys, he is doing great today. We just came home and when he heard us he was barking like crazy haha.. He is about to go outside with Rob and enjoy some outside time (our yard is fenced).

Thanks for the info on hypoglycemia. The GI assistant also mentioned not giving too much of the Nutri-Cal but said that this MIGHT be helping him on both sides. It has that natural laxative effect to make it easier to poop and it helps keep his sugar up so that he feels good enough to eat.

We are just following the many vets advice and doing what they think is best. He is loving the free food thing..thats for sure. BUT he is leaving SOOO many messes in his play pen at night. I can't even put him in the crate to sleep at night because of the messes he will leave. The play pen is half blankets and half potty pad, so its not quite as bad.

Do any of you think it would hurt to take the food up at like 6 or so? Maybe then he will get it all out and not make these messes. He would sleep all night and someone is up to feed him by 7am or so every morning. I don't want to risk another attack of this though because it scared me! BUT at the same time, I don't want to take a step back from the mostly potty trained puppy (no accidents in 3 days!!)

That's too long for a little puppy to go without eating.

That's what I thought too, but all I read is to take food away at certain times to avoid night accidents, so I wanted to see what everyone thought.

Thanks for the feedback.

Hey there!!! Happy to hear Thor is getting along much better...yippee!!! If you are certain that he is eating consistently throughout the day, free feeding is fine. If not, it's best to have actual feeding times...every few hours...to prevent hypoglycemia. Yes, NutriCal can cause rebound hypoglycemia, if he doesn't eat his food right away afterwards. A bed time snack is also a good idea. Hope he stays a happy and healthy puppy...and poops with ease. I'm pulling for you Thor!!!