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Little Bit · 02-07-2009, 09:54 AM

So sorry to hear about Lacy. We will keep her in our thoughts.

MyFairLacy · 02-08-2009, 05:12 PM

I just talked to the Internal Medicine specialist. Lacy will go to A&M to be seen by him for the day on Tuesday. They'll look at her history, bloodwork, and radiograph, and they are going to do a blood ammonia test and ultrasound that day. So...we will see what they have to say then.

Ladymom · 02-08-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I just talked to the Internal Medicine specialist. Lacy will go to A&M to be seen by him for the day on Tuesday. They'll look at her history, bloodwork, and radiograph, and they are going to do a blood ammonia test and ultrasound that day. So...we will see what they have to say then.

Sounds like a good plan! Keep us posted.

fufufashions · 02-08-2009, 05:35 PM

OMG! Michele, i am just seeing this or i would have said something to you y'day at the meetup. Prayers definitely coming from us!!

Poor little girl!!!

I hope everything goes well on Tuesday!!

MyFairLacy · 02-08-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fufufashions

OMG! Michele, i am just seeing this or i would have said something to you y'day at the meetup. Prayers definitely coming from us!!

Poor little girl!!!

I hope everything goes well on Tuesday!!

Thanks

I'm sure you saw at the meetup that she's pretty much her normal active self. It's just days here and there that she gets sick. She was running around and barking and having a good time....she and Rylie were pooped that night. I just want to find out what's going on to keep her healthy and so that she doesn't get sicker in the future.

MyFairLacy · 02-10-2009, 06:01 PM

I was so sad when I dropped Lacy off this morning. It's funny how I missed her more today when she was actually much closer in distance than she would have been at home. I bet Rylie didn't know what to think being left home alone all day. They told me they were going to have to shave her abdomen and up the sides...luckily it doesn't look as bad as I thought it would. You can tell, but most of her hair covers it so it's not too bad.

They did a blood ammonia test and that came back normal. And they did the ultrasound and did not find a shunt so that's good news. So they were pretty confident that there is no shunt. However, they did find several spots on her liver that were abnormal in texture. There is no way for them to know what's going on in these areas without a biopsy. They said some possibilities were damage from a toxin (but i couldnt think of anything she could have gotten into), an inflammatory response from an infection, cancerous tissue, or Microvascular Dysplasia. I'm sure there are other possiblities but those were some of the main ones. They did feel like her liver is functioning well at this point so that's great. So I guess we are going to be coordinating a date for a biopsy soon. I'm going to be so nervous on that day

Hopefully the results will come back that its nothing too serious.

Ladymom · 02-10-2009, 06:12 PM

Great news that they found no evidence of a shunt! I'm sure Lacy probably has MVD and will be just fine with a change of diet and some supplements, but I can understand why you want to do the biopsy.

Lacy's case is a wonderful example of why Dr. Center recommends that all Yorkies have BAT's as puppies, so that they won't have to have an invasive procedure like a biopsy later on.

Don't you wish this information was out there when Lacy was a puppy?

From page 22 of Dr. Center's seminar handout. (Note that based upon her research, Dr. Center has changed the recommended age from four months to five months.)

"2: The best approach to avoid "over diagnosis" is to test bile acids in young dogs of highly affected breeds (at 4 mths of age) while they are clinically healthy and before they are adopted into pet homes. Highly affected breeds include: Yorkshire Terrier, Cairn Terrier, Maltese, Tibetan Spaniels as well as many other "terrier" type breeds (Miniature Schnauzer, Lhasa Apso, Shih Tzu, Dachshund, Bichon Frise, Pekingese, Toy and Miniature Poodles, and Havanese and others). Proactive assessment of serum bile acids will limit the awkward circumstance imposed when an MVD dog, with minor health issues, is suddenly recognized to have abnormal bile acids by a pet owner's veterinarian. This circumstance can lead to unnecessary diagnostic confusion and unwarranted invasive tests such as liver biopsy and portovenography."

Ellie May · 02-10-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I was so sad when I dropped Lacy off this morning. It's funny how I missed her more today when she was actually much closer in distance than she would have been at home. I bet Rylie didn't know what to think being left home alone all day. They told me they were going to have to shave her abdomen and up the sides...luckily it doesn't look as bad as I thought it would. You can tell, but most of her hair covers it so it's not too bad.

They did a blood ammonia test and that came back normal. And they did the ultrasound and did not find a shunt so that's good news. So they were pretty confident that there is no shunt. However, they did find several spots on her liver that were abnormal in texture. There is no way for them to know what's going on in these areas without a biopsy. They said some possibilities were damage from a toxin (but i couldnt think of anything she could have gotten into), an inflammatory response from an infection, cancerous tissue, or Microvascular Dysplasia. I'm sure there are other possiblities but those were some of the main ones. They did feel like her liver is functioning well at this point so that's great. So I guess we are going to be coordinating a date for a biopsy soon. I'm going to be so nervous on that day

Hopefully the results will come back that its nothing too serious.

Oh goodness.
I bet it's MVD but who knows.

Ellie's u/s showed mildly increased echogenicity throughout. It sounds a bit different than what is going on with Lacy because she has spots. At the same time, your vet mentioned possible inflammation, so I thought I'd ask, have they brought up fatty liver/steatosis hepatitis/hepatic lipidemia? I'm not even sure if it is a possibility though. The vet would have probably mentioned it. This could have to do with high triglycerides which could cause intermittent gastrointestinal issues and abdominal discomfort.

Also, if she is under anyway and the vet isn't convinced that the GI issues are related to the liver, are you going to consider an intestinal biopsy?

fufufashions · 02-10-2009, 06:43 PM

We hope and pray it is something easy that can be fixed with diet. Please keep us posted. We continue to send puppy prayers!!

MyFairLacy · 02-10-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

Oh goodness.
I bet it's MVD but who knows.

Ellie's u/s showed mildly increased echogenicity throughout. It sounds a bit different than what is going on with Lacy because she has spots. At the same time, your vet mentioned possible inflammation, so I thought I'd ask, have they brought up fatty liver/steatosis hepatitis/hepatic lipidemia? I'm not even sure if it is a possibility though. The vet would have probably mentioned it. This could have to do with high triglycerides which could cause intermittent gastrointestinal issues and abdominal discomfort.

Also, if she is under anyway and the vet isn't convinced that the GI issues are related to the liver, are you going to consider an intestinal biopsy?

No, they haven't brought that up. I'll have to look that up as I don't know much about it. They did a full abdominal ultrasound today and the rest of her organs all looked normal. I think we're pretty sure her symptoms are most likely due to whatever is going on with her liver. For her biopsy, they are going in with a small incision and are supposed to take biopsies from a few of the abnormal areas...I think using a laparoscope. That way they don't have to make a large incision.

MyFairLacy · 02-10-2009, 07:13 PM

Looks like fatty liver is the most common liver disease i cats. I didn't find much info about it for dogs on my quick search, although I'm sure dogs get it too. Looks like that disease would be diagnosed with a liver biopsy as well.

hartygirl · 02-10-2009, 07:26 PM

I just wanted to say that I will be thinking of Lacy. I am very sorry for all that you guys are having to go through. I can only imagine how hard it is.

Thank you for always being there for people like me when we had questions.

Yorkietopia · 02-11-2009, 02:24 AM

I am so glad to hear that shunt is pretty much ruled out. Please keep us informed and let us know when the biopsy is scheduled. Big hugs.

amandawash · 02-11-2009, 07:41 AM

Oh no Michelle!! I am just now seeing this (haven't been on in awhile) I am so sorry about Lacy but it sounds like you're on it and will get your answers before you know it. I wish I had something intelligent to say but *luckily* I haven't had to deal with liver issues before. Fingers crossed for you and Lacy!

Brooklynn · 02-11-2009, 06:01 PM

I"m sorry to hear about Lacey! I'm sending prayers to you. I know she'll be in the best hands with Texas A&M.
Sending out prayers and well wishes!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

02-07-2009, 09:54 AM	#31
Little Bit Tiny Dog Big Heart Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,205	So sorry to hear about Lacy. We will keep her in our thoughts. __________________ Little Bit

02-08-2009, 05:12 PM	#32
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	I just talked to the Internal Medicine specialist. Lacy will go to A&M to be seen by him for the day on Tuesday. They'll look at her history, bloodwork, and radiograph, and they are going to do a blood ammonia test and ultrasound that day. So...we will see what they have to say then. __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

02-08-2009, 05:35 PM	#34
fufufashions LEADER OF MyPACK Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sugar Land Texas Posts: 3,978	OMG! Michele, i am just seeing this or i would have said something to you y'day at the meetup. Prayers definitely coming from us!! Poor little girl!!! I hope everything goes well on Tuesday!! __________________ Linda FuFuFashions & Healthy Dog & Cat Food and Treats2hearts2: FACEBOOK

02-10-2009, 06:01 PM	#36
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	I was so sad when I dropped Lacy off this morning. It's funny how I missed her more today when she was actually much closer in distance than she would have been at home. I bet Rylie didn't know what to think being left home alone all day. They told me they were going to have to shave her abdomen and up the sides...luckily it doesn't look as bad as I thought it would. You can tell, but most of her hair covers it so it's not too bad. They did a blood ammonia test and that came back normal. And they did the ultrasound and did not find a shunt so that's good news. So they were pretty confident that there is no shunt. However, they did find several spots on her liver that were abnormal in texture. There is no way for them to know what's going on in these areas without a biopsy. They said some possibilities were damage from a toxin (but i couldnt think of anything she could have gotten into), an inflammatory response from an infection, cancerous tissue, or Microvascular Dysplasia. I'm sure there are other possiblities but those were some of the main ones. They did feel like her liver is functioning well at this point so that's great. So I guess we are going to be coordinating a date for a biopsy soon. I'm going to be so nervous on that day Hopefully the results will come back that its nothing too serious. __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

02-10-2009, 06:12 PM	#37
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	Great news that they found no evidence of a shunt! I'm sure Lacy probably has MVD and will be just fine with a change of diet and some supplements, but I can understand why you want to do the biopsy. Lacy's case is a wonderful example of why Dr. Center recommends that all Yorkies have BAT's as puppies, so that they won't have to have an invasive procedure like a biopsy later on. Don't you wish this information was out there when Lacy was a puppy? From page 22 of Dr. Center's seminar handout. (Note that based upon her research, Dr. Center has changed the recommended age from four months to five months.) "2: The best approach to avoid "over diagnosis" is to test bile acids in young dogs of highly affected breeds (at 4 mths of age) while they are clinically healthy and before they are adopted into pet homes. Highly affected breeds include: Yorkshire Terrier, Cairn Terrier, Maltese, Tibetan Spaniels as well as many other "terrier" type breeds (Miniature Schnauzer, Lhasa Apso, Shih Tzu, Dachshund, Bichon Frise, Pekingese, Toy and Miniature Poodles, and Havanese and others). Proactive assessment of serum bile acids will limit the awkward circumstance imposed when an MVD dog, with minor health issues, is suddenly recognized to have abnormal bile acids by a pet owner's veterinarian. This circumstance can lead to unnecessary diagnostic confusion and unwarranted invasive tests such as liver biopsy and portovenography." __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

02-10-2009, 06:43 PM	#39
fufufashions LEADER OF MyPACK Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sugar Land Texas Posts: 3,978	We hope and pray it is something easy that can be fixed with diet. Please keep us posted. We continue to send puppy prayers!! __________________ Linda FuFuFashions & Healthy Dog & Cat Food and Treats2hearts2: FACEBOOK

02-10-2009, 07:13 PM	#41
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	Looks like fatty liver is the most common liver disease i cats. I didn't find much info about it for dogs on my quick search, although I'm sure dogs get it too. Looks like that disease would be diagnosed with a liver biopsy as well. __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

02-10-2009, 07:26 PM	#42
hartygirl megan - g Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,324	I just wanted to say that I will be thinking of Lacy. I am very sorry for all that you guys are having to go through. I can only imagine how hard it is. Thank you for always being there for people like me when we had questions. __________________

02-11-2009, 02:24 AM	#43
Yorkietopia Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: College Station, TX USA Posts: 34	I am so glad to hear that shunt is pretty much ruled out. Please keep us informed and let us know when the biopsy is scheduled. Big hugs.

02-11-2009, 07:41 AM	#44
amandawash Lovin' my R & R Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Middleton, Idaho Posts: 2,152	Oh no Michelle!! I am just now seeing this (haven't been on in awhile) I am so sorry about Lacy but it sounds like you're on it and will get your answers before you know it. I wish I had something intelligent to say but luckily I haven't had to deal with liver issues before. Fingers crossed for you and Lacy! __________________ Amanda 's Ranger & Ryder

02-11-2009, 06:01 PM	#45
Brooklynn Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,280	I"m sorry to hear about Lacey! I'm sending prayers to you. I know she'll be in the best hands with Texas A&M. Sending out prayers and well wishes! Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers