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marcerella02 10-15-2008 06:01 AM
She has pancreatitis... i need help NOW
 
The vet called. Layla's PLI came back 755 and it should be under 200. She has pancreatitis and the vet wants her to go on a special made diet made by Walthams (they make Royal Cainine) I told her i wnated to try a nutritionist to see if i could still MAKE her food fo rher and she said she's never seen it work.. what do you guys think???? i have to call back tomorrow to say we are going on her food or trying ours..... PLEASE tell me what you think.... i dont' want to compromise her health because oft his pre made food but id ont' want to compromise her health by making her food.

Ellie May 10-15-2008 06:14 AM
It is okay Marci.

Ellie had pancreatitis.
I make her food.
She is still alive.:)
Sooo, what would the vet think of that?;)

There is NO REASON that you cannot continue to make her food unless she is allergic to everything and the protein has to be hydrolyzed. When dogs have more than one health problem and they all need a special diet, homecooked is the way to go, so it fits the dog's needs.

Talk to a nutritionist.
They will be able to help you.
And skip the Royal Canin because besides it not being good, it will probably make her very itchy.

I do have to say again though, I think beef may have set Ellie off, so I think I would find something else. You can ask if egg is okay and maybe go to fish and, as a last resort, soy.

I still have a hard time believing that it is pancreatitis.
Pay special attention to her sugar (your vet will know this) because she is at increased risk for diabetes now.

marcerella02 10-15-2008 06:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2283301)
It is okay Marci.

Ellie had pancreatitis.
I make her food.
She is still alive.:)
Sooo, what would the vet think of that?;)

There is NO REASON that you cannot continue to make her food unless she is allergic to everything and the protein has to be hydrolyzed. When dogs have more than one health problem and they all need a special diet, homecooked is the way to go, so it fits the dog's needs.

Talk to a nutritionist.
They will be able to help you.
And skip the Royal Canin because besides it not being good, it will probably make her very itchy.
Crystal thank you so much. I'm such a mess.. i feel very overwhelmed and confused.

who is your nutritionist?

bchgirl 10-15-2008 06:17 AM
I don't have any experience with pancreatitis, but I would imagine the problem with homecooked foods is regulating the amount of fat each and every time.

I hope someone has some great advice for you.

If nothing else now you have a diagnosis and can work toward correcting Layla's problem.

bchgirl 10-15-2008 06:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2283301)
It is okay Marci.

Ellie had pancreatitis.
I make her food.
She is still alive.:)
Sooo, what would the vet think of that?;)

There is NO REASON that you cannot continue to make her food unless she is allergic to everything and the protein has to be hydrolyzed. When dogs have more than one health problem and they all need a special diet, homecooked is the way to go, so it fits the dog's needs.

Talk to a nutritionist.
They will be able to help you.
And skip the Royal Canin because besides it not being good, it will probably make her very itchy.

I do have to say again though, I think beef may have set Ellie off, so I think I would find something else. You can ask if egg is okay and maybe go to fish and, as a last resort, soy.

I still have a hard time believing that it is pancreatitis.
Pay special attention to her sugar (your vet will know this) because she is at increased risk for diabetes now.
Well see...whadda I know? Nothing. :rolleyes:
Hope Layla gets better.

Ellie May 10-15-2008 06:23 AM
Ellie's nutritionist is Rebecca Remillard out of Angell Memorial.
Ann's is Susan Davis.
Nicole's (TLC) is out of Cornell.

Be very careful if you would end up going with Ellie's though because while she is one of the best, she does use a supplement that contains menadione that I would pass on. She wouldn't work for quite a few people because she thinks high protein is basically a waste of money. lol. Try to get a recipe with human vitamins/minerals.

You are going to have to watch everything that goes into her now though. Everything will HAVE to be measured out (that has fat in it), so she is getting the right amount of everything.

marcerella02 10-15-2008 06:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2283315)
Ellie's nutritionist is Rebecca Remillard out of Angell Memorial.
Ann's is Susan Davis.
Nicole's (TLC) is out of Cornell.

Be very careful if you would end up going with Ellie's though because while I think she is the best, she does use a supplement that contains menadione that I would pass on. Try to get a recipe with human vitamins/minerals.

You are going to have to watch everything that goes into her now though. Everything will HAVE to be measured out (that has fat in it), so she is getting the right amount of everything.
i am MORE than ready to do anything to avoid that food they have. i'm making an appointment with the nutiritonist ann suggested and i hope to get a consult tomorrow!

Ellie May 10-15-2008 06:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2283309)
Well see...whadda I know? Nothing. :rolleyes:
Hope Layla gets better.
Yea, you know nothing, huh?:rolleyes:
I've been reading your posts lately and thinking, bchgirl must study all the time or something. Not kidding. I would like to be as knowledgeable as you.:)

marcerella02 10-15-2008 06:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2283320)
Yea, you know nothing, huh?:rolleyes:
I've been reading your posts lately and thinking, bchgirl must study all the time or something. Not kidding. I would like to be as knowledgeable as you.:)
Ellie, assuming I am able to properly feed her- this won't affect her life span or anything will it?

Ellie May 10-15-2008 06:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2283328)
Ellie, assuming I am able to properly feed her- this won't affect her life span or anything will it?
I really don't want to answer this.:(

It depends on if it is acute or chronic and if there are recurrences:
Pancreatitis (Inflammation) in Dogs

Limit her fat and make sure she loses that extra pound and everything should be fine.

emilyann 10-15-2008 06:43 AM
Aw, Marci :( Poor little Layla & poor you.
I'll be keeping you both in my prayers that you figure out what's best for her. Good luck!

Cherylt8 10-15-2008 06:59 AM
Marci... you need to get the inflammation under control... No one knows what exactly caused the inflammation... but she does need medical care to control it... limiting the things that are causing that inflammation.. fluids to let it rest and settle down. The nutritionist is a good idea .. as she/he may be able to pin point what heightened it in the first place. Aww ... poor girl.. she is not feeling good right now! Hope all goes well.. and it will.. rest assured!
Cheryl & Mandy

Wylie's Mom 10-15-2008 07:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2283301)
There is NO REASON that you cannot continue to make her food unless she is allergic to everything and the protein has to be hydrolyzed. When dogs have more than one health problem and they all need a special diet, homecooked is the way to go, so it fits the dog's needs.

Talk to a nutritionist.
They will be able to help you.
And skip the Royal Canin because besides it not being good, it will probably make her very itchy.

I do have to say again though, I think beef may have set Ellie off, so I think I would find something else. You can ask if egg is okay and maybe go to fish and, as a last resort, soy.

I still have a hard time believing that it is pancreatitis.
Pay special attention to her sugar (your vet will know this) because she is at increased risk for diabetes now.
I agree with Crystal. No reason you can't homecook whatsoever.

I know for a fact that Susan Davis has her liver, kidney, pancreas, ibs/ibd, and cancer patients on REAL food diets - bc I talked to her about it when I worked with her for Marcel. She is wonderful. She works at a holistic vet practice - and the vet can even consult as well (for an add'l fee of course - but may be worth it at some point).

I'm sorry you're going through this Marci - I can tell you that working with Susan should put you greatly at ease, though. That was my experience with her - it was like a ton of bricks off of my shoulders. She is so confident and knowledgeable. Lauren (Mango's mom) also felt that same way working with her for Mango's pancreatitis bout (and, btw - Mango was on real food w/ Susan - fish).

marcerella02 10-15-2008 07:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2283390)
I agree with Crystal. No reason you can't homecook whatsoever.

I know for a fact that Susan Davis has her liver, kidney, pancreas, ibs/ibd, and cancer patients on REAL food diets - bc I talked to her about it when I worked with her for Marcel. She is wonderful. She works at a holistic vet practice - and the vet can even consult as well (for an add'l fee of course - but may be worth it at some point).

I'm sorry you're going through this Marci - I can tell you that working with Susan should put you greatly at ease, though. That was my experience with her - it was like a ton of bricks off of my shoulders. She is so confident and knowledgeable. Lauren (Mango's mom) also felt that same way working with her for Mango's pancreatitis bout (and, btw - Mango was on real food w/ Susan - fish).
Thanks Ann! i emailed in my form and paid my money and just waiting to hear back about times i can schedule. I hope i can get in soon.

Ellie May 10-15-2008 07:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2283390)
I know for a fact that Susan Davis has her liver, kidney, pancreas, ibs/ibd, and cancer patients on REAL food diets - bc I talked to her about it when I worked with her for Marcel. She is wonderful. She works at a holistic vet practice - and the vet can even consult as well (for an add'l fee of course - but may be worth it at some point).

I'm sorry you're going through this Marci - I can tell you that working with Susan should put you greatly at ease, though. That was my experience with her - it was like a ton of bricks off of my shoulders. She is so confident and knowledgeable. Lauren (Mango's mom) also felt that same way working with her for Mango's pancreatitis bout (and, btw - Mango was on real food w/ Susan - fish).
See. More good reports about homecooking!:)
The only reason you'd need to consider a vet diet is if the blood levels aren't coming under control with homecooked but I think it will be fine.

Wylie's Mom 10-15-2008 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2283394)
Thanks Ann! i emailed in my form and paid my money and just waiting to hear back about times i can schedule. I hope i can get in soon.
GREAT :)! If you want - you could also PM Laurenr - she is Mango's mom; Mango had a bout w/ pancreatitis and Lauren got in touch with Susan and just raved about her as well. I think she may have met her in person too, not sure though. :)

Ellie May 10-15-2008 07:38 AM
Did the vet want you to use Royal Canin LF?
To that I think I would say a big no.
There is chicken, wheat and corn in it which would be just great for her allergies.:rolleyes:

marcerella02 10-15-2008 07:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2283413)
See. More good reports about homecooking!:)
The only reason you'd need to consider a vet diet is if the blood levels aren't coming under control with homecooked but I think it will be fine.
right. and i'll be going back in a month to check that. Also part of me can't help but wonder if her numbers were so high ebcause of what she was eating leading up to the tests. The first test back in april- she was eating lamb (usually fatty- i didn't know!) and wasn't fasted. Then last week she had been eating salmon most of the week leading up- which is also fatty- just good fat. For me it just isnt adding up. i really thought she'd call back and say it came back fine- let's try another test... but i asked if this is a definititive diagnosis and she said yes... so i look forward to seeing what her blood work is in a month.

marcerella02 10-15-2008 07:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2283418)
Did the vet want you to use Royal Canin LF?
To that I think I would say a big no.
There is chicken, wheat and corn in it which would be just great for her allergies.:rolleyes:
no it's not royal Canine- but the same company. It's called Whalthams. its fish.

check out these stellar ingredients :rolleyes:

Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Canine Low Fat LF 20

Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Canine Low Fat LF

and my vet had JUST finished warning be about bi-products.. um.. HELLO. tey are IN the wet food!!!

marcerella02 10-15-2008 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2283417)
GREAT :)! If you want - you could also PM Laurenr - she is Mango's mom; Mango had a bout w/ pancreatitis and Lauren got in touch with Susan and just raved about her as well. I think she may have met her in person too, not sure though. :)
GREAT idea.. is that her screen name?

Ellie May 10-15-2008 07:47 AM
Sounds delicious.:rolleyes:
The kibble is the same as LF.
It does have chicken, so Layla can't have it anyway.
She also can't have the canned because it is meat by-products.
The meat is unnamed, so it could be chicken.

She just warned you about by-products?:p

Wylie's Mom 10-15-2008 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2283432)
GREAT idea.. is that her screen name?
Laurenr - she is here :): http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/members/laurenr.html

marcerella02 10-15-2008 07:57 AM
Crystal. When was Ellie diagnoised? did she have episodes and that's how you found out? What were her test numbers? Does she now get tested regularly? How much fat is she getting in her diet?

Ellie May 10-15-2008 08:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2283449)
Crystal. When was Ellie diagnoised? did she have episodes and that's how you found out? What were her test numbers? Does she now get tested regularly? How much fat is she getting in her diet?
Ellie was diagnosed this January.
She threw up eight times one day and I just pulled her food and gave her Pedialyte. She was fine the next day. A week later she had an abdominal ultrasound for her liver and bladder and the internist found it. Her amylase level was okay last fall and I don't think her lipase was ever checked. I never did the pancreatitis specific blood tests because it was just more money and she had already been diagnosed. She has never had blood work to specifically look for pancreas issues. Her diet is 18% fat. If there is any concern about a recurrence, she will probably get blood work done and the fat in her diet will be lowered. In Ellie's case it was most likely acute.

143julz 10-15-2008 08:13 AM
My lil one has it too, her test came back yesterday at 321. Range is 0-200. Noticing that her stomach is upset so Dr. recommended COMFORT GEL, ever heard of it or used it before, I'd like to know. We also are dealing w/ one kidney with raised BUN and Creatine levels too...

marcerella02 10-15-2008 08:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 143julz (Post 2283468)
My lil one has it too, her test came back yesterday at 321. Range is 0-200. Noticing that her stomach is upset so Dr. recommended COMFORT GEL, ever heard of it or used it before, I'd like to know. We also are dealing w/ one kidney with raised BUN and Creatine levels too...
Well we are not alone :) that is almost comforting. ANy idea how the one kidney and raised BUN and creatine levels will affect her diet?

ellie81 10-15-2008 09:09 AM
Hi Marci. I'm sorry to hear Layla has pancreatitis :(
I don't know much about this, so sorry I can't help.
Did you think about talking to another vet???

I'll be praying for sweet Layla

Izzy Princess 10-15-2008 09:23 AM
Marci PM Jodie (LuvMySissy) as Sissy has the same thing and she knows her stuff on this. Don't worry Layla will be fine!!:D

143julz 10-15-2008 09:31 AM
We knew she had one kidney since 12/06...we had her on k/d canned ever sine Sept, she HAS NO desire for it AT ALL. I have tried so many different foods, combinations, so now I'm on a low protein/low fat starting tonight. Jsut spoke to Dr going to have to start at home SQ fluid for her kidney, UGHHHHH! Has anyone done that and what are the pro's/con's and does it really help in the lifespan? I'm just sick with all of this and she is such a strong lil trooper I'll do whatever i can as long as she shows me the signs in return of wanting keep going with us, i do realize we won't much more time with her, she is almost 15 but still acts like 8...
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2283471)
Well we are not alone :) that is almost comforting. ANy idea how the one kidney and raised BUN and creatine levels will affect her diet?

JuicyGirl 10-15-2008 10:04 AM
I'm so sorry marci! I don't know anything about pancreatitis ... but I will be praying for layla


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