Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3129590)

OK to address the fact that you say i stay in the house with TWO unaltered females! First you do not know me, or where i stay! My little sister and mother both have two female dogs that are unaltered. I do not stay in the house with my mother and sister! Has it ever occured to you that as a 22 year old female i may have actually MOVED OUT OF my parents home?????
You know what sweetheart... my 22 yr old daughter goes to school - holds a full time job - and bought her own home - BY HERSELF - so take that attitude somewhere else!

IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT BREEDING, which i happen to know alot about because my great aunt has been breeding yorkies and maltese for 40 years now in Virginia, you would know that red legged yorkies can often times be a desireable breeding candidate because of thier color,they are said to bring the color back into the breed.
You are kidding - right? :D

I felt your post was very coldhearted, whether you meant it or not. People clearly do not mean for thier dogs to run in the street, and my point was to say that ANY dog can run into the street regardless of if they are male, female alterted or unaltered!! My point was to say that if you are watching your dog intently the chances of that happening are entirely too bleak! I know what could have happened differently to save my Hazels life. I do feel that her life could have been saved if she were being watched better. Thats my opinion, i have a right to that.I think that both my sister and mother were not doing a good job of watching her, and they have both admitted that was the case.
No - what you said was that it would never happen with you and I said that it could happen to anyone and it does.

Also In NORWAY it is illegal to spay or neuter your dog!! and guess what?? they do not have a pet overpopulation problem! here is the link
American College of Theriogenologists

Before i bought my dog, i tride to get a rescue or pound dog and i did not qualify because 1) at the time i was in college staying in an apartment and they would not allow people who lived in apartments get one of thier dogs even if the apartment was ok with it.
2) when i tride to use my parents home address as my own i did not qaulify because we have a pool and we have stairs, and they feel that both are unsafe enviornments for yorkies
3) because there was a child (my younger brother) living in the home with us!!
4) I didnt have a job, and they felt i would not be able to financially take care of a dog!!! despite the fact that i had money
so maybe if it wasnt so flippin difficult to adpot a dog from a pound or shelter they wouldnt be so overcrowded! they dont give people the time of day, they make it difficult or least they did for me! Perhaps if it wasnt so difficult and they didnt have so many rules there wouldnt be so many dogs there in the first place! there has been a study done in some city (when i get the link i will post it) that showed that when pounds and shelters stay open longer, relax thier rules and advertise they actually end up adopting out all of thier dogs! so perhaps thats the solution! making it mandatory to spay and neuter does nothing! because people will still abandon thier dogs, and people will still give thier dogs away! in the neighborhood where my older sister lives there is a little stray dog running around, it is a fixed male dog! the owner of the dog does not want it anymore and thus decided to let it run around the neighborhood until it gets stolen or taken to a pound! it is EVIL people like this lady who no longer care about thier animal and resort to allowing it to run around to get picked up by a shelter that there are so many stray dogs in the shelter. ALSO shelters only keep dogs for like 4 days before they decide to put them to sleep! perhaps if they kept them longer the owner of the dog would have more time to come and find it! it is a fact that most of the dogs in shelters are actually lost dogs, that the owner cannot find! (i will post the link for this as well!) so honestly thats all i have to say. to you.

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3129743)

Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3129601)

My dog that was hit by a car was a female so in my eyes it can happen to any dog! i do believe that people dont intend for it to happen to thier dog OBVIOUSLY, but i also believe that you can train your dog not to run into the street! since ive lost A FEMALE dog due to her running in the street, iVE already trained my current dog not to do it!! Hazel (my dog who was killed RIP) liked to go in the street sometimes, i didnt train her not to go in the street because OBVIOUSLY i didnt think i would ever lose her, and i didnt think anyone would stupidly speed up a steep hill. To tell me that most of the dogs that come in and are hit by cars are unaltered male dogs is almost like telling me that just because my dog is an unaltered male he will get hit by a car! I HAVE LOST A DOG, FROM BEING HIT BY A CAR AND I WILL NEVER EVER LOSE ANOTHER DOG THAT WAY!

***this is no longer a response to you, so that you dont think im attacking you because i am not.****


dogs are extremely smart animals they are not IDIOTS! i can teach my dog to do whatever i want!! and if i cant get him to learn it i will hire someone to teach him the behavior for me!!!! He already knows not to go in the street AND IS STILL LEARNING, and i dont care what female dog he is after my dog will not end up dead in the street! I did not ask people to attack me because of my decision to keep my dog intact. i simply asked people if thier dog was fixed and how they felt about it, SO IF YOUR INTENT IS TO ATTACK OR MAKE ME FEEL BAD YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME BECAUSE I DO NOT CARE AND I WONT CHANGE MY MIND! I WILL NOT BE SCARED INTO MAKING MY DOG GO THROUGH A SURGERY I DO NOT WANT HIM TO HAVE (period)..

I wanted to learn about how people felt about the surgery being done on thier dog, and i wanted to learn how people who havent gotten it done has felt! i think its sad that anytime someone brings up this topic those who are pro spay and neuter (or whatever) always seem to attack those who are against it, but its never vice verse, then the people against it have to spend the majority of the time trying to defend thier position! its unfair that someone isnt allowed to have an opinion of this surgery being wrong without being attacked about it or otherwise be scared into wanting to have it done! people need to become more open minded. I have continued to say that i UNDERSTAND why some people get it done, even those who have been on this thread constently sticking with me have said the same thing! but none of you have been able to expand your brains big enough to UNDERSTAND (NOT AGREE) with why some peopel dont get it done!!! I am aware that there are people who are too cheap, or lazy or perhaps dont care enough to get the srugery done to thier dog, but that is not everyones reasoning. And the point of my thread was a place where i felt people could honestly state why they did what they did or why they feel how they feel without being attacked by others. but since having asked the question i wish i could take it back because all it has done was made me not like some YORKIETALKER, whom i previously loved!! I have always loved the people on her, because through some of my most difficult moments they have been by my side giving me advice and supporting me through it all. And i felt that these wonderful people would be muture enough and open minded enough about a discussion regarding spay and neuter srugeries. I will always understand why it is done, i understand why it can be important. i understand why people choose to do it. i just DONT AGREE WITH THE PROCEDURE OR THE IDEA BEHIND IT. BUT I WILL NEVER KNOCK OR PUT DOWN ANYONE WHO DECIDES TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE IT IS THERE CHOICE!!

Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3129750)

I started this post so that everyone could post how they felt and if you would have read everything that i wrote you would know that i have no problem with anyone's opinion obivioulsy i knew that most people were going to be for the procedure. im not stupid. What i said i did not like is the fact that i am being attacked, and told that my dog will turn aggressive, and that my dog will probably get hit by a car and told that i am irresponsible and that my dog will develop different diseases and blah blah blah! i dont mind why others spay and neuter thier dog but i certainly dont feel anyone has the right to tell me what is right for my dog, just like im not telling anyone what is right for thier dog. And clearly mommadog stopped posting because she feels the same way. Nobody want to keep getting attacked over and over. there is a time to just be done.

How can you say that I didnt get my own place by myself? the time frame i was reffering to when i said i had no job trying to get my dog was when i was 18 years old and just starting college that was three years ago! before then and since then ive had plenty of jobs!

Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3129750)

I started this post so that everyone could post how they felt and if you would have read everything that i wrote you would know that i have no problem with anyone's opinion obivioulsy i knew that most people were going to be for the procedure. im not stupid. What i said i did not like is the fact that i am being attacked, and told that my dog will turn aggressive, and that my dog will probably get hit by a car and told that i am irresponsible and that my dog will develop different diseases and blah blah blah! i dont mind why others spay and neuter thier dog but i certainly dont feel anyone has the right to tell me what is right for my dog, just like im not telling anyone what is right for thier dog. And clearly mommadog stopped posting because she feels the same way. Nobody want to keep getting attacked over and over. there is a time to just be done.

How can you say that I didnt get my own place by myself? the time frame i was reffering to when i said i had no job trying to get my dog was when i was 18 years old and just starting college that was three years ago! before then and since then ive had plenty of jobs!

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3129751)

Oh for crying out loud! Why is it the very people who start these threads/polls get upset about the responses they get? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3131149)

AKC against mandatory spay and neuter American Kennel Club - Updated 4/20: New Orleans Mandatory Spay/Neuter Ordinance Vote Delayed

The AVMA (American Vet medical association) against mandatory spay and neuter AVMA: Mandatory spay/neuter a bad idea

The ACT (American College of Theriogenologists) against mandatory spay and neuter American College of Theriogenologists

Will post others as i find them.

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3128667)

If done properly, intubating a a patient for surgery should NOT harm the trachea. I've personally never seen a dog develop CT after having been intubated.

Originally Posted by mommadog1 (Post 3131234)

Great links, thanks for sharing!

Originally Posted by Bekgarrett (Post 3131404)

Another example of a breeder/kennel that feels the same as Seaside Yorkies is Moonlight Kennels in which they speak specifically about Yorkshire Terriers. This is their statement:


The trachea ( or windpipe) of many small breeds tends to be relatively weak. Aging or physical trauma to the windpipe may cause the trachea to collapse in one or more areas. This is indicated by the dog coughing hard, especially after exertion. This coughing becomes worse as time passes, especially with an older dog. Collapsed trachea can also be caused by the intubation tube used by veterinarians for administering anesthesia needed for certain procedures. The only treatment for a collapse trachea is surgical. If you are concerned that your Yorkie has a collapsed trachea, consult with your veterinarian for options.

Originally Posted by Bekgarrett (Post 3131379)

I thought long and hard about posting again, as I have seen how the comments can get rather inflammatory and that is not my goal, but I did find an interesting website today which stated this:

Obesity, inhalation of irritants or allergens, respiratory infection, enlarged heart and endotracheal intubation may precipitate the actual collapse.
It can be found at: SEASIDE YORKIES - Yorkie Puppies for Sale!

If they feel this way, then I wonder how many other veterinarians feel the same. Again, I'm not trying to "start" something, just posting a fact found on the web.

Have a lovely day! I'm celebrating my Kissy's 8th birthday. Thankful that she survived her recent problems. I love her so very much.

Originally Posted by Bekgarrett (Post 3131404)

Another example of a breeder/kennel that feels the same as Seaside Yorkies is Moonlight Kennels in which they speak specifically about Yorkshire Terriers. This is their statement:


The trachea ( or windpipe) of many small breeds tends to be relatively weak. Aging or physical trauma to the windpipe may cause the trachea to collapse in one or more areas. This is indicated by the dog coughing hard, especially after exertion. This coughing becomes worse as time passes, especially with an older dog. Collapsed trachea can also be caused by the intubation tube used by veterinarians for administering anesthesia needed for certain procedures. The only treatment for a collapse trachea is surgical. If you are concerned that your Yorkie has a collapsed trachea, consult with your veterinarian for options.