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jazzybee445 05-13-2010 12:23 AM

Is Your Yorkie "Fixed" or Intact.
 
Hey Everybody!!:D, so how many people have gotten their yorkie fixed? How many people have not? how do you feel about your decision?


I havent gotten my yorkie fixed, nor has my mother or sister gotten theirs. I feel like it wrong, and im completly happy with my decision. Also a really close friend of mines dog just died during the procedure... :(.. so yea. How do you all feel?

Sweet Apple 05-13-2010 02:23 AM

That's what it's all about, doing what "you" feel is right for you and your pet...I waited 'till Apple was 12 months old, because I don't believe in early spay.....Buzz is 10 months old, and I haven't had him neutured, but will, if it seems in his best interest...Right now, he's o.k. not neutured...

MI Yorkielover 05-13-2010 02:56 AM

Sophie was spayed at about 8 months. I think it's the responsible thing to do if you are not a breeder who breeds for the betterment and standard of the breed. I think it's healthier for your female, too.

mzw00dy 05-13-2010 03:05 AM

My guy goes in next week...I am a little nervous but know it will be fine.

kalina82 05-13-2010 03:16 AM

All of my pets are fixed by 6 months old. Morgan, my female yorkie, was done at 6 months old and 3lbs before her first heat. My cats were both rescues so they were done at the shelter.

I've worked in the veterinary field for many years and have seen the consequences of not spaying/neutering your pets and its not pretty. When something does come up that is causing your pet to suffer that is linked to not altering your pets its very sad because it could have been prevented by one simple little operation.

Sweet Girls 05-13-2010 03:23 AM

I also believe it is the responsible thing to do...unless you are a responsible breeder or a knowledgeable pet owner who will take full responsibility for any ooops...whether you have a male or female...remember that commercial ? There is no such things as accidents...just preventions not taken!

jencar98 05-13-2010 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3126634)
Hey Everybody!!:D, so how many people have gotten their yorkie fixed? How many people have not? how do you feel about your decision?


I havent gotten my yorkie fixed, nor has my mother or sister gotten theirs. I feel like it wrong, and im completly happy with my decision. Also a really close friend of mines dog just died during the procedure... :(.. so yea. How do you all feel?


I'm curious, why do you think it's wrong?

Mine are all spayed or neutered, I feel it's the responsible thing to do.

MOMOF5 05-13-2010 04:10 AM

All five of mine are spayed/neutered. I never intended to breed or show them and in the long run it saves any health problems relating to not getting them fixed. I have a tiny Yorkie(Charlee) and she was spayed at 5 months with no problems. Rambo( inherited him this year) was neutered at age 11. His Dad that passed away was always scared of him being under anestisia(ms) but he finally listened to reason and did it. I think it is the responsible thing to do!

Mom to Hot Rod 05-13-2010 06:50 AM

I'm glad that mine are done.

ARCHIE 05-13-2010 06:52 AM

I, personally, would never own a male dog that was not neutered.

So Buddy's been neutered.

BonBon 05-13-2010 07:05 AM

All of mine are spayed/neutered. It's best for their health and keeps me from "accidentally" contributing to the pet over-population. Since I have not researched and educated myself on breeding, and since I could never risk losing my girl to pregnancy complications, it's the only responsible thing to do.

cj125 05-13-2010 07:08 AM

Yes - absolutely! :thumbup:

Infact, Las Vegas just passed an ordinance that unless you have a fancier's license - all dogs must be fixed. There's entirely too many people who allow their dogs to remain in tact and then don't want to deal with the consequences of unwanted, sick or unhomed pets.

It is the "responsible" thing to do as a pet owner.

There will always be risks for any kind of surgery but the number of deaths is very low for this procedure.

jadabug 05-13-2010 07:15 AM

I have never owned a pet who was not spayed or neutered nor would I. Jada is a retired breeder and she was spayed before we adopted her. Bogie was neutered at 10 months old. Too many risks for me to consider leaving them unaltered.

ARCHIE 05-13-2010 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3126906)
Yes - absolutely! :thumbup:

Infact, Las Vegas just passed an ordinance that unless you have a fancier's license - all dogs must be fixed. There's entirely too many people who allow their dogs to remain in tact and then don't want to deal with the consequences of unwanted, sick or unhomed pets.

It is the "responsible" thing to do as a pet owner.

There will always be risks for any kind of surgery but the number of deaths is very low for this procedure.


I think that's great. Millions of dogs suffer every year, millions more
are PTS because owner's are just plain ignorant. I hope other's states
follow this procedure.

yorkieusa 05-13-2010 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3126906)
Yes - absolutely! :thumbup:

Infact, Las Vegas just passed an ordinance that unless you have a fancier's license - all dogs must be fixed. There's entirely too many people who allow their dogs to remain in tact and then don't want to deal with the consequences of unwanted, sick or unhomed pets.

It is the "responsible" thing to do as a pet owner.

There will always be risks for any kind of surgery but the number of deaths is very low for this procedure.

Good for Las Vegas! Now, if every other city, town and county were just as responsible.

Yes, we've always spayed or neutered all of our pets. It's not only the responsible thing to do, but it is the right thing to do.

jazzybee445 05-13-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3126745)
I'm curious, why do you think it's wrong?

Mine are all spayed or neutered, I feel it's the responsible thing to do.

The reason I think it's wrong is because i feel like I'd be tampering with something that wasnt intended to be tampered with. I know there are benefits and risks with getting it done or not getting it done, and i understand the whole bigger picture for why its so widely accepted. I just feel so terrible thinking of having it done to my baby. I feel like as an owner whom he trust and loves, im making him go through something that he really honestly just doesnt need to go through. After my friends dog died it really scared me because it made me feel like i was risking my little mans life for it. He is 1 year old and only 3lbs i originally planned on getting it done because i didnt want him to display all the dominant male behaviors, because when i got him i actually wanted a girl. however he doesnt act like that, he doesnt mark in my house, he doesnt hump anything, he isnt aggressive. He's perfect!! and i dont see why i would want to mess a good thing up. I love him and i take very good care of him and hope he lives a long and happy healthy life despite the fact he's intact, which to me isnt a big deal since that is how he was created.

however i do not knock anyone who has got it done because as someone said earlier its all about how you feel and what makes you comfortable as a owner, and i think we have all made our decisions for really good reason. Personally its about what us as individuals feel is the right thing to do for our pets.

Ellie May 05-13-2010 11:46 AM

Ellie is spayed. I don't regret it at all and will continue to have any females of mine spayed. I'm less sure on castration with the research I see.

While some may think it is the responsible thing to do, that seems to indicate to me that if I don't have it done, I'm not responsible. Well, I can't agree with that. Responsible is looking at both sides of the issue and making an educated decision (which could include health concerns, behavioral concerns, or your own religious or emotional concerns). If somebody is religiously opposed to it or if they have looked at the research and feel that the risks outweigh the benefits, then I'm not going to tell them they are irresponsible.

What I do think is irresponsible is letting dogs breed til the cows come home and then dropping the puppies off at the shelter, etc.

It is not one size fits all or one age fits all. And there are way too many health concerns with the procedure to ever try and make it mandatory. JMO.

jazzybee445 05-13-2010 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARCHIE (Post 3126927)
I think that's great. Millions of dogs suffer every year, millions more
are PTS because owner's are just plain ignorant. I hope other's states
follow this procedure.

I would like to say that i have educated myself about the pros and cons of getting the procedure done, and not getting the procedure done. I have read countless articles, from reputable sources, ive read articles in veteniary medicine books. and based on the knowledge that i have aquired from reading i have come up with my decision and i feel like i've dont the right thing. I feel its unfair for you to call the owners who have come to the same decision as mine, ignorant. because they may have also based thier decision off of really solid and responsible evidence and understanding. There are risk with getting the procedure done, and there are risk with not getting it done. and for anyone to honestly think by taking away any living creators sexual organs you can only have benefits with no risk is pretty ignorant to me, bodies need hormones for other reasons besides to procreate, they also need it for bone growth and for the body to sustain itself, so when you take that way even if its just most of it, somethings bound to go wrong somewhere. that just how i feel however. I will agree that some pet owners dont make the right decisions all the time, and some pet owners dont do thier research before they make decisions regarding the life and well being of thier pet, but i dont think that any of this makes them ignorant.

jazzybee445 05-13-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3127186)
Ellie is spayed. I don't regret it at all and will continue to have any females of mine spayed. I'm less sure on castration with the research I see.

While some may think it is the responsible thing to do, that seems to indicate to me that if I don't have it done, I'm not responsible. Well, I can't agree with that. Responsible is looking at both sides of the issue and making an educated decision (which could include health concerns, behavioral concerns, or your own religious or emotional concerns). If somebody is religiously opposed to it or if they have looked at the research and feel that the risks outweigh the benefits, then I'm not going to tell them they are irresponsible.

What I do think is irresponsible is letting dogs breed til the cows come home and then dropping the puppies off at the shelter, etc.

It is not one size fits all or one age fits all. And there are way too many health concerns with the procedure to ever try and make it mandatory. JMO.



OMG!:)
I totally agree with what you have said!!! it definatly is a decision that someone should make after doing thier research and deciding what is right for thier pet, taking into consideration all of the risks and benefits! I too DO NOT agree with people who recklessly allow thier animals to breed, i find that to be unfair and wrong especially if they have no where to place the new born puppies. I do think pet overpopulation is an issue, but i dont think making it mandatory to get an animal fixed is the solution or rather, the only solution.

ARCHIE 05-13-2010 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3127198)
I would like to say that i have educated myself about the pros and cons of getting the procedure done, and not getting the procedure done. I have read countless articles, from reputable sources, ive read articles in veteniary medicine books. and based on the knowledge that i have aquired from reading i have come up with my decision and i feel like i've dont the right thing. I feel its unfair for you to call the owners who have come to the same decision as mine, ignorant. because they may have also based thier decision off of really solid and responsible evidence and understanding. There are risk with getting the procedure done, and there are risk with not getting it done. and for anyone to honestly think by taking away any living creators sexual organs you can only have benefits with no risk is pretty ignorant to me, bodies need hormones for other reasons besides to procreate, they also need it for bone growth and for the body to sustain itself, so when you take that way even if its just most of it, somethings bound to go wrong somewhere. that just how i feel however. I will agree that some pet owners dont make the right decisions all the time, and some pet owners dont do thier research before they make decisions regarding the life and well being of thier pet, but i dont think that any of this makes them ignorant.



Not all owner's are responsible. All you have to do is think about all the
homeless dog's in shelter's, rescues, females being breed until they are
no longer wanted and thrown in garbage can's or put on the street or
fend for themselves. Again, what about the millions who are PTS because
their irresponsible owner's didn't care enough to get their parent's fixed.
Not all dog's have a mommy who takes cares of them, feeds them good food,
get's then vet checked and has a soft bed to sleep in. If your not breeding
and do not have licence to breed get your dog fixed!
This conversation can beat itself to death I'm sure but I stand firm.
I think the law is a good one. There are millions of dogs suffering because
someone was to lazy or cheap to get their dog fixed.

jazzybee445 05-13-2010 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARCHIE (Post 3127255)
Not all owner's are responsible. All you have to do is think about all the
homeless dog's in shelter's, rescues, females being breed until they are
no longer wanted and thrown in garbage can's or put on the street or
fend for themselves. Again, what about the millions who are PTS because
their irresponsible owner's didn't care enough to get their parent's fixed.
Not all dog's have a mommy who takes cares of them, feeds them good food,
get's then vet checked and has a soft bed to sleep in. If your not breeding
and do not have licence to breed get your dog fixed!
This conversation can beat itself to death I'm sure but I stand firm.
I think the law is a good one. There are millions of dogs suffering because
someone was to lazy or cheap to get their dog fixed.


There are some people that are irresponsible, but responsibility does not equal having a "fixed" dog. Because there are dogs that are treated poorly even after thier owner has "fixed" them. having an intent to breed is not the only reason some people decide not to get thier dog fixed. Some dogs are too tiny to fix, some dogs cant get fixed because they are allergic to the anastisa or have a heart condition, some dog owners plan to show thier dog (like me) and some have religious/emotional views (also like myself) that make them feel like it is not the right things to do. I do not knock your decision like i said earlier, but i honestly feel that people should become more opened minded, and expand thier view of the issue further then what is spoon fed to them, by the organizations that promote this procedure. I feel everyone should look at the research. also those people that are irresponsible and treat their unbred dogs like puppy making machines will continue to do what they are doing despite any law, those evil people who own puppy mills do have a license to breed! so, having that license will not stop someone from being an irresponsible person. But yes as you said this is an issue that will always be controversial, until everyone looks at each others point of view.

There are irresonsible pet owners, some of them have fixed dogs and some of them have unfixed dogs. but as i said my problem was with you calling them all ignorant.

Ellie May 05-13-2010 12:52 PM

I find it interesting that the experts in the field (The American College of Theriogenologists in this case) don't even think it should be mandatory. There are risks that nobody should be forced to except.

American College of Theriogenologists

ARCHIE 05-13-2010 01:01 PM

There are irresonsible pet owners, some of them have fixed dogs and some of them have unfixed dogs. but as i said my problem was with you calling them all ignorant.


I forget you have to be politically correct everytime you post something.
A responsible person, such as yourself, would take great lengths to see
that her un-fixed dog will not impregnate a female unintentially. However,
there are still accidents.
The ignorant ones, which I was referring to, do not keep watch.
This site is large but you read daily dumb posts regarding females
getting pregnant by accident. How can it be an accident when you
have an intact male running around in the same house.
This is happening across the entire country. These people are ignorant
to reality and what can happen leaving thousands of unwanted puppies
to be born everyday. I know puppymills have licenses to breed but if
this goes into law perhaps they won't. How many of their offspring wind
up in rescues and shelter's because they are sick or become sick because
of unhealthy conditions. Not every BYB has a licence that's why they
are BYB. It's a vicious cycle I know but it has to start somewhere.
I am talking about pets only not legimate breeders.

jazzybee445 05-13-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3127284)
I find it interesting that the experts in the field (The American College of Theriogenologists in this case) don't even think it should be mandatory. There are risks that nobody should be forced to except.

American College of Theriogenologists


:D I think your great! lol, but thank you for posting that link to that article, i have read the entire things and now have further information stored in my ever increasing knowledge of the issue. I to think that its interesting the experts find a mandatory spay an neuter not the right thing to do.

jazzybee445 05-13-2010 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARCHIE (Post 3127294)
There are irresonsible pet owners, some of them have fixed dogs and some of them have unfixed dogs. but as i said my problem was with you calling them all ignorant.


I forget you have to be politically correct everytime you post something.
A responsible person, such as yourself, would take great lengths to see
that her un-fixed dog will not impregnate a female unintentially. However,
there are still accidents.
The ignorant ones, which I was referring to, do not keep watch.
This site is large but you read daily dumb posts regarding females
getting pregnant by accident. How can it be an accident when you
have an intact male running around in the same house.
This is happening across the entire country. These people are ignorant
to reality and what can happen leaving thousands of unwanted puppies
to be born everyday. I know puppymills have licenses to breed but if
this goes into law perhaps they won't. How many of their offspring wind
up in rescues and shelter's because they are sick or become sick because
of unhealthy conditions. Not every BYB has a licence that's why they
are BYB. It's a vicious cycle I know but it has to start somewhere.
I am talking about pets only not legimate breeders.


I agree there are those who claim thier dog accidentily got pregnant because they were not watching, or taking the necessary precautions needed to avoid a situation such as that. And if i ever find my self in such a situation (betting i wont since my dog is male) i would make sure that all the puppies have a nice home, if not my own.

ltret0294 05-13-2010 01:47 PM

All of our "pups" are/have been rescues and were neutered/spayed before they were adopted or within a week as part of the adoption agreement. The rescue groups paid for the surgery. I maybe wrong but, most/all rescue groups will usually have the dog/cat etc spayed/neutered before adopting to the new forever owners.

fufufashions 05-13-2010 02:08 PM

to snip or not
 
All of my girls are fixed. I wouldn't have it any other way. They are just pets and I don't want to deal with that heat mess. Plus they are happier to not have the mood swings or PMS (yes, they get that). I don't have any males but if my girls weren't fixed, i am sure all the stray males in the n'hood would be hanging around. :rolleyes: I have had a hysterectomy and feel i am healthier and love knowing that i don't have to worry about cancer from that area. Just because I had all those parts in my body, doesn't mean that i had to keep them there. I feel the same way with my girls.
Of course, you can do what you want. I hope your male doesn't turn mean and aggressive. Even Cesar Milan says that if an intact male doesn't breed like he is designed to do 2x year, they can get very aggressive with all those hormones and no release..just like humans. If you are going to show, he will have to stay intact.
The decision is yours of course. Research and ask questions and make up your own mind.

Sweet Girls 05-13-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzybee445 (Post 3127343)
I agree there are those who claim thier dog accidentily got pregnant because they were not watching, or taking the necessary precautions needed to avoid a situation such as that. And if i ever find my self in such a situation (betting i wont since my dog is male) i would make sure that all the puppies have a nice home, if not my own.

Here is my problem with what you just said...puppies won't be your problem because you own an intact male??? But how did the (hypothetical) female get pregnant?...If your dog impregnates another,you should be responsible for half the cost/puppies as you are responsible for half the oops!

OwnedByJezebel 05-13-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fufufashions (Post 3127397)
Even Cesar Milan says that if an intact male doesn't breed like he is designed to do 2x year, they can get very aggressive with all those hormones and no release..just like humans.

There are few things crazier than an intact male that smells a female in heat and can't get to her. They become single-minded. To me, it is cruel to make them deal with that, unless they are breeding quality and are going to be used for responsible breeding.

Britster 05-13-2010 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3127417)
There are few things crazier than an intact male that smells a female in heat and can't get to her. They become single-minded. To me, it is cruel to make them deal with that, unless they are breeding quality and are going to be used for responsible breeding.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I will never own a male unaltered, or a female unspayed.

We had a Golden Retriever who my dad never spayed and for one... she made a mess during her heat. There'd be blood spots all over the kitchen floor. I remember constantly wiping them up as a kid. She obviously didn't keep herself clean by herself :rolleyes: she took really long to calm down, but I don't know if that was related to spaying or not. She ended up having to get an emergency spay when she was 9 years old because some major things went wrong with her... she almost died. Lived another year and a half after the surgery before passing away.

My dad now fixes all his dogs!


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