Is Your Yorkie "Fixed" or Intact.

[jazzybee445]

Originally Posted by MI Yorkielover

Even though I choose to spay my yorkie I cannot agree with mandatory spaying. It is up to the individual. For now at least individuals still have some freedom of choice. I said I believe it's a responsible thing to do and it's a healthy thing to do for my yorkie and I stand by that statement but for any state or federal government to regulate ones choice on this, mandatory rabies vaccinations and other personal choices and issues leads us down a slippery slope to where the state may issue regulations on other parts of our lives as well. I personally believe the government should back off our citizens rights and let us continue to live in a free country. Education is the key and personal beliefs and freedoms shouldn't be tampered with to the extend that they interfere and control so many aspects of our personal lives.

I love what you have said! The governement has no right to dictate all the decisions that we as pet owners make, i mean to me its scary that they can even pass such laws, because its a slow transition to us not having any say as to what we can and cannot do any longer. There are situations where a spay or neuter surgery should not be done on a dog at all due to health concerns, its just not a one size fits all surgey.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by Bekgarrett

Thank you so much for your support and comment. It just hurts to see this unfolding again. I know that Kissy is much better off than Secret was with his collapse at this point, but I just can't help, wonder "if only" and what if"? My breeder immediately asked me when I called about her condition "if I had allowed that damn (her words) tube be put down her throat for any surgeries?" Of course, I had, but it was a ferrett tube, she said it didn't matter that it just damages those little fragile rings in the throat. Once they've been messed with it's all downhill from there.

All dogs/cats no matter what the size need to be tubed for surgery. It keeps an airway open at all times. If that tube wasn't there and your puppy stopped breathing there would be no way to properly breath for the pup and keep him alive. Then while the vet is scrubbed in for surgery, and the pup isn't breathing, a stressed out tech would have to put a tube in with the dog on its back during the surgery and probably cause damage to the trachea that way.

If done properly, intubating a a patient for surgery should NOT harm the trachea. I've personally never seen a dog develop CT after having been intubated.

I'm sorry both your yorkies had/have this problem but i wouldn't blame the vet for tubing the dog. I'd be thanking him for doing everything possible to ensure a safe surgery.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by kalina82

All dogs/cats no matter what the size need to be tubed for surgery. It keeps an airway open at all times. If that tube wasn't there and your puppy stopped breathing there would be no way to properly breath for the pup and keep him alive. Then while the vet is scrubbed in for surgery, and the pup isn't breathing, a stressed out tech would have to put a tube in with the dog on its back during the surgery and probably cause damage to the trachea that way.

If done properly, intubating a a patient for surgery should NOT harm the trachea. I've personally never seen a dog develop CT after having been intubated.

I'm sorry both your yorkies had/have this problem but i wouldn't blame the vet for tubing the dog. I'd be thanking him for doing everything possible to ensure a safe surgery.

[Bekgarrett]

Originally Posted by kalina82

All dogs/cats no matter what the size need to be tubed for surgery. It keeps an airway open at all times. If that tube wasn't there and your puppy stopped breathing there would be no way to properly breath for the pup and keep him alive. Then while the vet is scrubbed in for surgery, and the pup isn't breathing, a stressed out tech would have to put a tube in with the dog on its back during the surgery and probably cause damage to the trachea that way.

If done properly, intubating a a patient for surgery should NOT harm the trachea. I've personally never seen a dog develop CT after having been intubated.

I'm sorry both your yorkies had/have this problem but i wouldn't blame the vet for tubing the dog. I'd be thanking him for doing everything possible to ensure a safe surgery.

Yes, I understand that this procedure is in place for good reasons. Both my dogs were intubated for all procedures. It was my breeder, who has been breeding and showing for many, many years, who told me that she NEVER has any of her dogs intubated. I don't know what vet she uses, but she told me this 8 years ago, and then again a few weeks ago. Her dogs go to Westminster, Eukanuba dog shows and so forth. One was even an American/Canadian Champion dog, so I would think she knows a thing or two about this procedure and would not tell me dangerous things to do with my only furbaby. I'm not saying I would not have it done again, just that I wonder if this could have irritated her airway.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by Bekgarrett

Yes, I understand that this procedure is in place for good reasons. Both my dogs were intubated for all procedures. It was my breeder, who has been breeding and showing for many, many years, who told me that she NEVER has any of her dogs intubated. I don't know what vet she uses, but she told me this 8 years ago, and then again a few weeks ago. Her dogs go to Westminster, Eukanuba dog shows and so forth. One was even an American/Canadian Champion dog, so I would think she knows a thing or two about this procedure and would not tell me dangerous things to do with my only furbaby. I'm not saying I would not have it done again, just that I wonder if this could have irritated her airway.

it is possible for the tube to cause irritation and if the tube was put in wrong, roughly, or too big then yes it will cause damage. i'm not saying it can't happen.

your breeder is just that, a breeder/exhibitor, not a vet. In a situation like surgery and intubation, i'm gonna go with the vet's professional opinion.

[MyTrixie143]

Well considering that my first dog developed pyometra because we didn't spay her, I'm a huge fan for spaying/neutering. It's not only the responsible thing to do but it can save your pet's life.

I will always have my dogs spayed/neutered if I'm not breeding them. And I also require all my puppies to be spayed/neutered by their new owners.

Why take the risk of having them develop pyometra or cancer because you didn't spay or neuter them?

Also they do seem much happier after being spayed/neutered as they don't have to deal with all those hormones.

I would like to add at 1 years old, your boy is still very young. Count your blessings that he hasn't showed any marking or aggressive behavior but don't expect it to stay that way. They all mature at different times. My friend's male didn't show any of these behaviors until he was about 2 years old.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by kalina82

All dogs/cats no matter what the size need to be tubed for surgery. It keeps an airway open at all times. If that tube wasn't there and your puppy stopped breathing there would be no way to properly breath for the pup and keep him alive. Then while the vet is scrubbed in for surgery, and the pup isn't breathing, a stressed out tech would have to put a tube in with the dog on its back during the surgery and probably cause damage to the trachea that way.

It is actually put in and hooked up to a respirator not just there to keep airway open. And a stressed out tech should not be doing it.

general anesthesia paralyzes the body and renders the patient unconscious. When I say paralyze, I mean the vast majority of the muscles in the body are unable to move. The heart is one exception, as it will continue to beat on its own throughout the surgery, but the diaphragm, the muscle that makes it possible to fill the lungs with air, is unable to move. If the muscles that help fill the lungs can't move, then you are unable to breathe.

If you have ever gotten the "wind knocked out of you" and have that scary feeling of not being able to take a breath, then you've experience a very brief paralysis of the diaphragm muscles.

So, to make surgery possible, the lungs have to be filled with air so they can do their job. This is accomplished by putting a tube, called an endotracheal tube, into the mouth and down into the airway of the patient, a process called intubation. The end of the tube that is left outside of the mouth is connected to a ventilator, which provides breaths to the lungs. The lungs continue to function normally, but the ventilator does the work of the paralyzed muscles.

Once the surgery is over and the anesthesia has worn off, the tube is removed and the muscles of the body return to their normal function.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by MyTrixie143

Well considering that my first dog developed pyometra because we didn't spay her, I'm a huge fan for spaying/neutering. It's not only the responsible thing to do but it can save your pet's life.

I will always have my dogs spayed/neutered if I'm not breeding them. And I also require all my puppies to be spayed/neutered by their new owners.

Why take the risk of having them develop pyometra or cancer because you didn't spay or neuter them?

Also they do seem much happier after being spayed/neutered as they don't have to deal with all those hormones.

I would like to add at 1 years old, your boy is still very young. Count your blessings that he hasn't showed any marking or aggressive behavior but don't expect it to stay that way. They all mature at different times. My friend's male didn't show any of these behaviors until he was about 2 years old.

Did you know pyometra is actually rare? It is caused from not being bred.

Did you know HUMANS can get pyometra? So I guess we should all have our female organs removed to keep it from possibly happening. Or keep us from getting uterine or ovarian cancer.

And men of course would be so much better behaved if they were castrated

And just because a dog is not neutered does not mean he will be aggressive or mark. I grew up with all intact dogs, male and female and we never had that issue, ever! My dads dogs lived to be old dogs of 15-17 years old. All hunting dogs.

I have seen plenty of neutered dogs that mark and are aggressive. I also know of plenty of dogs to get cancer even after being spayed.

Also, it is NOT breast cancer, it is mammary gland cancer and they can get it spayed or not.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Did you know pyometra is actually rare? It is caused from not being bred.

oops, I didn't finish that sentence.. When a female dog is allowed to go through heat cycles without being bred the lining in the uterus can thicken.

As Intact female's age the uterus may become progressively thickened and cystic from repeated hormonal stimulation. This condition called cystic endometrial hyperplasia.

Uterine secretions are greatest during diestrus, the period following estrus, when blood levels of progesterone hormone are maximal. Some inflammatory cells are always present in the secretions.

Despite frequent opportunities for bacterial contamination from the lower reproductive tract, the fluid accumulation in the thickening uterus remains free of bacterial infection in most dogs.

Pyometra occurs when the excessive uterine secretions become infected with bacteria.

I just went through this with a rescue we took in a couple of months ago so I have researched it to death..

I choose to spay and neuter when I am not breeding a dog or female dog.

And I stand firm in my belief that it should remain a CHOICE and not forced on us by yet another law taking our rights away.

[jazzybee445]

Originally Posted by MyTrixie143

Well considering that my first dog developed pyometra because we didn't spay her, I'm a huge fan for spaying/neutering. It's not only the responsible thing to do but it can save your pet's life.

I will always have my dogs spayed/neutered if I'm not breeding them. And I also require all my puppies to be spayed/neutered by their new owners.

Why take the risk of having them develop pyometra or cancer because you didn't spay or neuter them?

Also they do seem much happier after being spayed/neutered as they don't have to deal with all those hormones.

I would like to add at 1 years old, your boy is still very young. Count your blessings that he hasn't showed any marking or aggressive behavior but don't expect it to stay that way. They all mature at different times. My friend's male didn't show any of these behaviors until he was about 2 years old.

My Grandmother had an intact male dog, who was the sweetest thing ever he was 5 years old and did not display any "negative" male dog behaviors! She decided to get him fixed because her vet recommended since he was aging, the next time i went to visit her and her dog after the neuter surgery he was a little demon! He lifted his leg up relentlessly in front of us and pee'd on everything! he was evil towards my mother and younger sisters female dogs. When ever we caught him chewing something he was not supposed to chew on, and tried to take it from him he would bite us. I personally think that the surgery made him worst. My grandmother feel terrible because she feels like she has saddened her little shadow and made him angry with her. He isnt active at all, like he used to and he is turning fat.


My dog is an angel and he will continue to be that way... Its completely ridiculous to say that my now sweet and great dog will change just because he doenst get fixed! There are plenty of intact male dogs who are the sweetest thing ever. There is no solid scientific evidence that says that getting a male dog fixed will prevent it from being agressive. Then we must think of all the male dogs that are used as show dogs! those dogs are the most well behaved dogs, and they arent fixed! so i personally dont think you should try to scare me into wanting to fix my dog. he will never change because the way he is, is his character. It takes proper training and lots of love to make any dog fixed or not well behaved sweet as ever.

[jazzybee445]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Did you know pyometra is actually rare? It is caused from not being bred.

Did you know HUMANS can get pyometra? So I guess we should all have our female organs removed to keep it from possibly happening. Or keep us from getting uterine or ovarian cancer.

And men of course would be so much better behaved if they were castrated

And just because a dog is not neutered does not mean he will be aggressive or mark. I grew up with all intact dogs, male and female and we never had that issue, ever! My dads dogs lived to be old dogs of 15-17 years old. All hunting dogs.

I have seen plenty of neutered dogs that mark and are aggressive. I also know of plenty of dogs to get cancer even after being spayed.

Also, it is NOT breast cancer, it is mammary gland cancer and they can get it spayed or not.

LOL i know right?? Thank you for the background on pyometra, i suppose i dont have much of a concern for that in my male dog considering it seems to be something on female dogs can suffer from. But regarless of that i appreciate, your comment, and also the background info, im glad to know that the dogs you have grown up with were sweet dogs that lived a very long life

[cj125]

First, let me say that the law does have exceptions.

*If the dog has some medical reason and you can supply a document from a vet.
*If you are a licensed fancier, breeder, or pro handler.
*If they are a search & rescue, police, or a service dog.

I'm not in total agreement with the age that they decided to have this done - 4 months of age - I would have rather seen this more like 6-7 months old so that there's time to let the baby teeth fall out or have them taken out at the same time of the surgery. But I guess you could get a Vet's note saying that you're going to wait for that.

I understand people not wanting to be told what to do, however, there are some people who need to be told what to do.

Yes, rules/laws are made in order to keep things under control. Without rules/laws we have chaos.

My position on this law is - that if people had been responsible prior to this they wouldn't have needed to make this law.

One thing I think they left out of this law is - that any breeding facility should have a maximum number that they can have breeding and/or in their facility. They really need to hit the puppymillers and hoarders.

[jazzybee445]

Originally Posted by cj125

First, let me say that the law does have exceptions.

*If the dog has some medical reason and you can supply a document from a vet.
*If you are a licensed fancier, breeder, or pro handler.
*If they are a search & rescue, police, or a service dog.

I'm not in total agreement with the age that they decided to have this done - 4 months of age - I would have rather seen this more like 6-7 months old so that there's time to let the baby teeth fall out or have them taken out at the same time of the surgery. But I guess you could get a Vet's note saying that you're going to wait for that.

I understand people not wanting to be told what to do, however, there are some people who need to be told what to do.

Yes, rules/laws are made in order to keep things under control. Without rules/laws we have chaos.

My position on this law is - that if people had been responsible prior to this they wouldn't have needed to make this law.

One thing I think they left out of this law is - that any breeding facility should have a maximum number that they can have breeding and/or in their facility. They really need to hit the puppymillers and hoarders.

Besides the idea of having thier teeth pulled at the same time, its also important to wait to a later age so that the puppies bones can fully develop and grow. Its a known fact that the hormone that is being elimiated or reduced drastically during the surgery helps with the growth process and when taken away to soon, it can cause the bones to be extremly week. And with little dogs like yorkies, you already have a concern about thier fragile bodies, so its important for thier bones to get a chance to grow to thier full potential.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by jazzybee445

Ok so then my question to you is how the heck would my dog get out of my home and make it to another female?? I will NEVER let my little man out of my sight, obviously the hypothetical female got inpregnated because her owner let her wonder around the neighborhood unattended!!! or perhaps the hypothetical female lives in a home with an unneutered male! i feel your question is stupid, who the heck just lets their little yorkies run around, these dogs are so wanted, id be afriade someone would steal him. There is no way he would get out my house, and if the hypothetical female found her way into my home, and got knocked up and i was aware of it OF COURSE!!! I would help, you shouldnt assume things about a persons character. IM DONE!

Obviously you haven't dealt with an intact male around a bitch in heat. I think you're being a little naive.

You don't have to let your dog out - they will find a way out - terriers are notorious for getting out! And they don't have to be unattended to get away - they'll do it right when you're standing there.

[jazzybee445]

Originally Posted by cj125

Obviously you haven't dealt with an intact male around a bitch in heat. I think you're being a little naive.

You don't have to let your dog out - they will find a way out - terriers are notorious for getting out! And they don't have to be unattended to get away - they'll do it right when you're standing there.

Ive actually seen my male dog around a female dog in heat, he was actually well behaved. he didnt try to hump her, however i could tell he was interested in her. He did keep smelling her, he tride to play with her but only her face and ears was he interested in. He still listened to me, and relativly was ok with leaving her alone. I had no problems with him around her. She had doggie pants on, i dont know if that made a differance, but from what ive heard and read i dont think it could have. I consider my male dog to be a little sissy LOL.. so he's more girly and sensitive then any girl dog ive ever owned or had the pleasure of meeting. He was the only boy surrounded by all girls growing up, and when i got him from the breeder she informed me that he was a mommas boy. I really think it has to be in a dogs character to act in that way, and i also think the dogs does what it feels thier owner will allow.