Re-call on hand sanitizers

[matese]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I don’t really want to get into an argument about this. The facts say masks don’t work. Most hospitals are also not over run. The media is making this a circus. I have a panic disorder and asthma as well as sensory issues from my Autism so I cann’t wear a mask and in Maryland the mandate says anyone with health conditions that would keep them from wearing a mask or anyone under 2 does not have to wear them period. I have a letter from both my psychiatrist and asthma doctor. I am also on disability for my panic disorder. My mental health as suffered massively from being in my house for over 5 months. There is no excuse for anyone to harass someone else let alone me without knowing my reason. There is always exceptions. I have been through this conversation with many people and it is a shame people are unable to look at how it feels to be someone else or be in someone else’s shoes. I pray everyone who can’t see things from those of us with invisible disabilities never have to walk in our shoes or be us because I regular times it’s hard enough but during this it’s even harder. I can not explain to you how it feels and how many times I have woken up wishing I didn’t and how devastating that feeling is. Again it is NEVER ok for anyone to harass anyone else!

Then stay home if you can't wear a mask, it's for your own safety, it's your life you're protecting. If you don't cherish living, don't care if you live or die, then take chances of not wearing a mask, keep in mind, you have a grandmother you live with, do you cherish her life or do you want to carry this virus home with you and infect your senior grandmother. There are many things you have to consider when you want to go out and not wear a mask because you can't. Always your choice .

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by matese

Then stay home if you can't wear a mask, it's for your own safety, it's your life you're protecting. If you don't cherish living, don't care if you live or die, then take chances of not wearing a mask, keep in mind, you have a grandmother you live with, do you cherish her life or do you want to carry this virus home with you and infect your senior grandmother. There are many things you have to consider when you want to go out and not wear a mask because you can't. Always your choice .

You didn’t read everything I posted! You can not expect someone’s mental health to withstand being in a house for 5 months. You obviously are not educated on mental health at least not enough to understand it. The masks aren’t meant to protect yourself anyway they say it’s for others. You sure are assuming a whole heck of a lot aren’t you? The one time I did go into a store it was a Petsmart! I’m not going into crowded stores trying to get into people faces! I went into a big store with 3 people in it! I didn’t cough, sneeze and rarely touched anything. If everyone is wearing a mask and they work then there is nothing for me to pick up and take home! It is my choice and I don’t do it because I fear people like y’all who get on your high horses and think it’s ok to harass people just because you can’t understand their situation.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Read my response to the post above. Also they said at the beginning that masks did not work. They also have done nothing to help in the countries where people wear face coverings on a normal bases. You have to look at the real facts and who is backing them. It’s a shame that I come here to get away from the politics and all this stuff and wham here it is, it’s a shame. I’m not going to argue about masks on a yorkie forum. Everyone needs to try and look at things from the other persons shoes. I don’t simply just have a breathing issue. I go into a panic attack which causes an asthma attack EVERYTIME I put one on. Due to my Autism spectrum disorder I have an extremely hard time with things on my face. It’s not that I don’t like or don’t want to wear the mask I can’t. I have letters from doctors to prove this and am on disability due to my panic and other issues. I’m not making things up. I have also tried about 10 to 15 different masks. Even if I did go into a store I’m not talking a Walmart, target or even a grocery store but like a Petsmart. I really should not have to defend myself.

There is no need to argue or fight and no one here is harassing you, and no need to defend yourself. The more they find out about this virus things change day to day. We are all making sacrifices.
Lets not hi-jack this thread and make it a boxing ring out of it, there is no need for it.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by matese

There is no need to argue or fight and no one here is harassing you, and no need to defend yourself. The more they find out about this virus things change day to day. We are all making sacrifices.
Lets not hi-jack this thread and make it a boxing ring out of it, there is no need for it.

I didn’t start it. I was told it was fine for people to harass those not wearing masks and it’s not. I feel like everywhere I turn I’m having to defend myself and those like me about this and is tiring, depressing and everything else. I cry after everyone one of these kind of arguments because no one understands or even tries to. Everyone just wants to shame me. You all seemed to miss that I said I wasn’t going out.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I don’t really want to get into an argument about this. The facts say masks don’t work. Most hospitals are also not over run. The media is making this a circus. I have a panic disorder and asthma as well as sensory issues from my Autism so I cann’t wear a mask and in Maryland the mandate says anyone with health conditions that would keep them from wearing a mask or anyone under 2 does not have to wear them period. I have a letter from both my psychiatrist and asthma doctor. I am also on disability for my panic disorder. My mental health as suffered massively from being in my house for over 5 months. There is no excuse for anyone to harass someone else let alone me without knowing my reason. There is always exceptions. I have been through this conversation with many people and it is a shame people are unable to look at how it feels to be someone else or be in someone else’s shoes. I pray everyone who can’t see things from those of us with invisible disabilities never have to walk in our shoes or be us because I regular times it’s hard enough but during this it’s even harder. I can not explain to you how it feels and how many times I have woken up wishing I didn’t and how devastating that feeling is. Again it is NEVER ok for anyone to harass anyone else!

It's not just about you and your problems, Taylor, what ever Maryland says about it. It's about caring for and looking after the other person, responsibility to our society who pays the taxes which fund your disability checks. CDC and WHO say mask wearing is essential to keep others safe from your and all our droplet-spread. I've quarantined since March, get my full exercise program in at home and wear masks, gloves and at times even eye shields when I must go to the doctor or stop by to order pizza twice, grocery store for 10 mins. once, careful to keep distance even masked and gloved.

If we keep having economic depression due to job loss, i.e. tax dollar losses, the government will reduce your disability benefits considerably as you can stay at home if you panic or tremble around others. Think of all the people you and other non-mask wearers could just exhale onto and pass along killer germs just because you didn't stay home. It's very little to ask considering those first responders out there working like dogs to try to care for all of the sick. We won't conquer this disease until we ALL get fully serious about quarantining from one another, masking, gloving up each and every time we go out. If it's an aerosolized germ, God help us. Please put this country's safety above yourself and think of those you could hurt w/out a mask. I know what a good-hearted person you are and respect you mightily for your defense and championing of dogs so just extend that big heart a bit for the sake of us humans.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

It's not just about you and your problems, Taylor, what ever Maryland says about it. It's about caring for and looking after the other person, responsibility to our society who pays the taxes which fund your disability checks. CDC and WHO say mask wearing is essential to keep others safe from your and all our droplet-spread. I've quarantined since March, get my full exercise program in at home and wear masks, gloves and at times even eye shields when I must go to the doctor or stop by to order pizza twice, grocery store for 10 mins. once, careful to keep distance even masked and gloved.

If we keep having economic depression due to job loss, i.e. tax dollar losses, the government will reduce your disability benefits considerably as you can stay at home if you panic or tremble around others. Think of all the people you and other non-mask wearers could just exhale onto and pass along killer germs just because you didn't stay home. It's very little to ask considering those first responders out there working like dogs to try to care for all of the sick. We won't conquer this disease until we ALL get fully serious about quarantining from one another, masking, gloving up each and every time we go out. If it's an aerosolized germ, God help us. Please put this country's safety above yourself and think of those you could hurt w/out a mask. I know what a good-hearted person you are and respect you mightily for your defense and championing of dogs so just extend that big heart a bit for the sake of us humans.

In order to dispute some of your facts I would have to get political and that’s against the rules. You are unable to see anything other then your opinion and yourself. You are making decisions strictly out of fear. I chose to use the facts. You do not know what it is like and you are unable to understand the full mental impact and how many people are milking themselves due to lock downs. You can chose to believe and feel how you want just like me. If I need to leave the house and go to a store or such I will do so and it’s not being selfish like you are trying to say I am. If you read my complete comment you would also see I said I’m not going anywhere. You and the people who are unable to see that not every rule is a one size fits all are why there are people literally attacking and stalking people who aren’t wearing masks. Sure I bet more then half the people not wearing them could wear one but don’t want to so they lie about a health issue but there are a small percentage of people out there who really can’t and that staying home may not be something they can do. Please just stop and let it go. You are not going to u seedy and my point and I’m not changing my opinion or stance.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

In order to dispute some of your facts I would have to get political and that’s against the rules. You are unable to see anything other then your opinion and yourself. You are making decisions strictly out of fear. I chose to use the facts. You do not know what it is like and you are unable to understand the full mental impact and how many people are milking themselves due to lock downs. You can chose to believe and feel how you want just like me. If I need to leave the house and go to a store or such I will do so and it’s not being selfish like you are trying to say I am. If you read my complete comment you would also see I said I’m not going anywhere. You and the people who are unable to see that not every rule is a one size fits all are why there are people literally attacking and stalking people who aren’t wearing masks. Sure I bet more then half the people not wearing them could wear one but don’t want to so they lie about a health issue but there are a small percentage of people out there who really can’t and that staying home may not be something they can do. Please just stop and let it go. You are not going to u seedy and my point and I’m not changing my opinion or stance.

Don't know what facts you're using or claim are political but the Surgeon General of the United States and all health care organizations of renown, all with the very latest research and facts on this virus, are strongly advising, actually begging us to all social distance, wash our hands and wear masks, even if uncomfortable or inconvenient, to help stop this pandemic, We can only hope that something will stop this virus if we citizens can't. "Let it go", you say? Why? This is important to our world's and this country's population - our fellow human beings, our very families!! Doesn't look like the leading healthcare providers of infectious, communicable diseases are letting it go or changing their opinion or stance on it though so I'm sticking with them, immaterial of your opinion or stance.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/im-begg...id-virus-surge

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Don't know what facts you're using or claim are political but the Surgeon General of the United States and all health care organizations of renown, all with the very latest research and facts on this virus, are strongly advising, actually begging us to all social distance, wash our hands and wear masks, even if uncomfortable or inconvenient, to help stop this pandemic, We can only hope that something will stop this virus if we citizens can't. "Let it go", you say? Why? This is important to our world's and this country's population - our fellow human beings, our very families!! Doesn't look like the leading healthcare providers of infectious, communicable diseases are letting it go or changing their opinion or stance on it though so I'm sticking with them, immaterial of your opinion or stance.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/im-begg...id-virus-surge

The “facts” did change the CDC, Dr.F and The Who all at the beginning said masks were useless and there was even tests to show how little each fabric worked. It is proven fact that if a person tested positive for COVID but died or something else they were being marked down has a COVID death. It is a fact that they were getting false positives. It is a fact that test were marked in the system as positive when they weren’t. Believe what you want and your going to anyway so what the heck is the point of this back and forth? NO ONE is going to change their mind!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Please read CDC recommendations who should and shouldn't wear masks:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

In the interest of not wishing to being accused of 'harassing' anyone, I'm not trying to further or settle some disagreement with another poster or enter into a 'political' discussion on this thread, which has strayed off hand sanitizers for the present, just trying to share CDC's August 7,2020 advisory so maybe we can defeat Covid-19 in our country this year if we just follow our best medical authorities' advice until and if we know otherwise and hopefully, that's not considered 'political'. I certainly hope CDC public health notices are not. I am sorry to those it would possibly offend, not my intent at all.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Please read CDC recommendations who should and shouldn't wear masks:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

In the interest of not wishing to being accused of 'harassing' anyone, I'm not trying to further or settle some disagreement with another poster or enter into a 'political' discussion on this thread, which has strayed off hand sanitizers for the present, just trying to share CDC's August 7,2020 advisory so maybe we can defeat Covid-19 in our country this year if we just follow our best medical authorities' advice until and if we know otherwise and hopefully, that's not considered 'political'. I certainly hope CDC public health notices are not. I am sorry to those it would possibly offend, not my intent at all.

At the beginning that was not their stance.......... this is your passive aggressive way to continue the argument with me!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

At the beginning that was not their stance.......... this is your passive aggressive way to continue the argument with me!

That was in March.....when the government was said to be fearing personal medical equipment shortages becoming a huge problem for healthcare workers but they've evolved their position as enough face masks were finally numerous enough to be available for all. With any medical issue, the latest, best-sourced research carried out, healthcare providers and empirical information reported, gathered and studied, positions taken and published, peer-reviewed and further digested and coordinated, the latest information from the Centers for Communicable Diseases is usually the best advice we as a nation can rely on until and if we get better, more trusted medical expert resources. In medicine, it's usually the latest information that is practically speaking, considered the best, isn't it?

https://www.businessinsider.in/polit...w/76391742.cms

Why are you taking this personally? It's not at all about you, Taylor, or wanting to continue an argument but a discussion of a health crisis in our country, our world, costing lives, jobs, fears of economic depression, not taking out any imagines aggressions on one another. In most cases with this forum and this thread, it's always about good-faith sharing the best information available to keep us all, safe from either spreading or catching this virus. I realize you are younger and perhaps not as worried about getting very sick or dying from Covid but you can spread it, even at your age.

Why the unflattering assumptions about me, Taylor? I'm not trying to further an argument with you - we've all too many problems to argue for argument's sake, Covd-19 for one! Isn't this a discussion, information, advice forum, mainly dedicated to Yorkies but encompassing many areas of life? Aren't we all responsible for one another and keeping one another safe, not arguing, misinforming or misleading anyone? Mask-wearing has long been known and promoted as a way of containing disease by healthcare professions.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

That was in March.....when the government was said to be fearing personal medical equipment shortages becoming a huge problem for healthcare workers but they've evolved their position as enough face masks were finally numerous enough to be available for all. With any medical issue, the latest, best-sourced research carried out, healthcare providers and empirical information reported, gathered and studied, positions taken and published, peer-reviewed and further digested and coordinated, the latest information from the Centers for Communicable Diseases is usually the best advice we as a nation can rely on until and if we get better, more trusted medical expert resources. In medicine, it's usually the latest information that is practically speaking, considered the best, isn't it?

https://www.businessinsider.in/polit...w/76391742.cms

Why are you taking this personally? It's not at all about you, Taylor, or wanting to continue an argument but a discussion of a health crisis in our country, our world, costing lives, jobs, fears of economic depression, not taking out any imagines aggressions on one another. In most cases with this forum and this thread, it's always about good-faith sharing the best information available to keep us all, safe from either spreading or catching this virus. I realize you are younger and perhaps not as worried about getting very sick or dying from Covid but you can spread it, even at your age.

Why the unflattering assumptions about me, Taylor? I'm not trying to further an argument with you - we've all too many problems to argue for argument's sake, Covd-19 for one! Isn't this a discussion, information, advice forum, mainly dedicated to Yorkies but encompassing many areas of life? Aren't we all responsible for one another and keeping one another safe, not arguing, misinforming or misleading anyone? Mask-wearing has long been known and promoted as a way of containing disease by healthcare professions.

Go read your first attacking post to me about not wearing a mask. The one where you said it was ok to harass people not wearing masks....... people are not wearing medical grade masks they are wearing fabric ones and if you read the boxes of the medical masks it says doesn’t protect against COVID. Have a good day I’m out.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Go read your first attacking post to me about not wearing a mask. The one where you said it was ok to harass people not wearing masks....... people are not wearing medical grade masks they are wearing fabric ones and if you read the boxes of the medical masks it says doesn’t protect against COVID. Have a good day I’m out.

Whatever my initial response was it is interesting that you see it as an "attack" rather than a reply to your post on this public forum. Why in the world would I want to attack or sanction harassing any member of this forum? I thought I was just replying to someone not trusting the science and failing to wear masks based on faulty information. I'm sorry you see that as an attack or supporting harassment rather than attempt to inform. I would never attack you or anyone here. Can't we discuss, disagree or debate w/out rather hostile overreactions and unbecoming insults from you? What's happened to you? I'm trying to help in any way I can, finding it very difficult with you.

You said above to read 'boxes of the medical masks", could you provide a link to whatever source document you are referencing?

Masks are never 100%, nor is sterilization, soap washing, vaccines, full protective suits with face shields and breathing systems or any protective measures involved in trying to prevent disease spread, even medical grade masks as I understand it, nothing really is ever 100% but helps contain disease spread. But masks help prevent our droplet-spread and help prevent all of it getting into our nostrils and mouths or our droplet-spread getting into others' nostrils and mouths. It's a simple ask or difficult ask in many cases of citizens but getting through to our younger citizens like yourself seems very difficult. Our best medical minds the world over advise wearing face masks or whatever nose, mouth, even eye-coverings to help prevent against Covid-19 pandemic contagion, no matter how you personally nitpick it or overreact.

[Andy A]

Good little video on masks and aerolization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s

[Andy A]

P.S. My post above is not directed at anyone here nor whether or not one should or should not wear a mask.