There are plenty of transgender kids who commit suicide because they feel like such freaks. I think Bruce is an excellent role model, and if I had a child or grandchild that was going through this, I would think something like this could help him feel more normal and help the through a difficult journey. I've heard that the Kardashians weren't that happy about Bruce talking about it and said it might hurt their "brand", but now seem to be supporting him/her because it's would hurt them more not to support him. I hope he's getting support from them because it's the right thing to do.

I would like to see parents and the churches the families belong to, whatever their faith, provide support and counseling and therapy to kids that are having suicidal proclivities because of issues they may be having in their personal lives, as well as support for kids that can not see beyond bullying from other kids. Movie stars/athletes/humans of all walks of life, always seem to fall drastically short in the "role model" character.....families that know their kids, should be much better able to recognize and deal with issues they may have. I think if I had a child that was having such issues, I would certainly stress that there are systems in place to provide emotional help/therapy/counseling for whatever issue my child was conflicted over. I would especially steer him clear of celebs that are able to successfully develop their conflict into a money making agenda .....I think Caitlyn should now devote her time to traveling all around the country, volunteering her time to privately talk to transgender support groups, churches, schools, and the people that are directly affected with this concern.....I think that would certainly help more than living the rest of her life as a "cause celeb".... "Bruce Jenner who became Caitlyn" basking directly in the public eye....we all know about it, congratulations that you were able to resolve your issue, and now just be Caitlyn....not "Caitlyn that used to be Bruce".

Hopefully, this will make Caitlyn happy and fulfilled and complete, and more issues/concerns/problems wont surface and continue to torment him/her. I wonder if he underwent years of psychological therapy to determine if his conflict was based completely in his transgender issue, or if there were other issues that were wrecking havoc in his life and life choices.

As long as people click the link on the net, buy a magazine or watch something with them on it, this will continue.

Hm, I was torn on rather or not I was going to post on this thread ..

I do not know the Kardashians, personally, so I can't really make any valid judgments regarding their 'personalities' since what we see of them isn't confirmation of their true identities but what they project in the name of entertainment.


And, whilst I hope that Caitlyn is now coming to terms with whatever struggles she felt she has had to undergo for years, I would caution against anyone considering her a role model. Our society, at large, has come to be more accepting of deviations from stereotypes regarding gender identity and so I believe she was fortunate to live in this time so that she could make the transition with less stigma than what she may have faced thirty years ago.


Still, no one is perfect and no one is a hero for others though they can be congratulated for moving forward from any personal issues very publicly. I worry that people look up to celebrities (strangers) too much for validation of their personal decisions and finding out that this 'hero' is a person with flaws and faults can be devastating for people who struggle with their own identities.


I, personally, do not view Caitlyn as a hero or a good role model. I view Caitlyn as I do any other celebrity/person which is to say I hope they are living the life they want, are doing no harm to others and I wish them the best.


I see us, though, as the heroes. We have developed as a World society and we are progressing towards a humanity which is not accepting of everything but we are certainly less polar regarding other's benign choices, feelings, emotions and situations which may or may not align with our own. That is a beautiful thing to witness, in my opinion, since I value harmony and intelligence over all things. :)


(and cake)

:thumbup::D

I enjoy certain tv shows movies etc. as far as what goes on in an entertainers personal life, I could care less. Jenner was an athlete. What few acting roles he was in were terrible.
I don't wish the family any bad thoughts.

The public at large are responsible for creating this. This will be the top story until the next bizarre story takes it's place

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I was wondering exactly what and where she was going with all this journey into her "truth and liberation", and I heard last night about the reality TV show she has in the works.....

......pass the cake please, SirTeddykins!!...

Oh, and then this, just hot off the presses.......speaking fees have skyrocketed!!

"Caitlyn Jenner
Five Times More Valuable than Bruce"

Bruce used to get $25,000.00.....Caitlyn commands over $100,000.00!!!

This group certainly knows how to parlay money into MUCH MORE money!!!!

As much as I do agree with your first paragraph and all that it hopes for...unfortunately, many many many of us are not born with the kind of parents who would do what you outline above. Some of us have by and large parented ourselves, sadly, and therefore have to look outside the family (and church) for role models, help, ideas, anything.

Regarding your second paragraph...it's interesting you mention this angle bc there is a lot talk about the almost-guaranteed co-morbidities that accompany trans folks in their lives; it's no small issue for sure and you have to wonder what role the co-morbidities play in the larger picture of their overall mental health.



Um, I'll second CAKE. And third it. Fine, fourth it.

I don't necessarily think we have to frame Caitlyn Jenner as a "hero", per se. I view her as a public person/celebrity going thru a very remarkable change amidst a *very* sensitive subject while in the public eye. What she's going through is bound to be polarizing, on soooo many levels bc of the nature of her change --- and I have to admire the courage of anyone who is willing to face the world head-on, publicly, while going thru something like this....if for no other reason than to see it help others and foster discussion (whether or not that's their primarily goal).

If there are some people out there who view her as an actual hero -- more power to them. We all should have the right to choose who is heroic to us, I think. To each their own. :)

Yes, I do agree to a large extent but that probably didn't come across as well as I'd hoped when I posted at 4 a.m. In short, I worry about anyone who seeks validations for and through others because, ultimately, they find out that the person(s) they have framed in whatever context let them down by being human and they have nowhere to fall, then.


I am trying very hard to promote self-awareness and self-esteem and teach young people that these things come from within. Not everyone will like us, agree with us, love us, care about us and so not everyone can 'save' us. Eventually, we have to do that for ourselves or we risk pitfalls like addiction, for example. Or, one could struggle so many years, like Caitlyn, by trying to do whatever everyone else thought they should do or be what others felt they should be.. That is not a good situation for anyone to be in, ever.

As far as her doing her thing publicly, as I stated above, I hope that whatever personal issues are finally at rest or at least on the road to recovery.


As far as the reality shows...I don't know about all that.. I guess people make their money in the way they know how.. that's beyond the scope of my cognizance right now...lol

I don't think the woman that Bruce Jenner rear ended and killed would look at him as a role model.

I agree.

Are they even going to charge him for it?

Probably not.


Bruce Jenner will likely dodge manslaughter charge in crash - NY Daily News

At the very least it's a failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident where I live.


Vehicular homicide is a crime that, in general, involves the death of an individual other than the driver as a result of either criminally negligent or murderous operation of a vehicle. The former case and the more common conviction of unintentional vehicular homicide is known as vehicular manslaughter.