Ebola or Hysteria Paranoia?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I think the only thing that spreads concern and fear is, " ....largest ebola outbreak in the history of the disease....", "....7000 dead from ebola outbreak....", "....157 healthcare workers dead from ebola in West Africa....", "......doctor that treated ebola returns to New York , now admitted to hospital infected with ebola....", and then the "coup de gras"...."nurse returning from treating ebola patients defiantly refuses to be quarantined the 21 days as suggested by CDC for returning health care workers, out for bike ride, states no one has anything to worry about....".
These quotes are paraphrased and the numbers may be off just a tad, but I think these are the headlines that have the rest of the world fearful, even terrified, in some countries. Then of course there is the headline that told us of some plan that is being "quietly" floated around about bringing non citizens infected with ebola to the United States for treatment. THESE headlines are the cause of our fears!

No.....those are the headlines of the fear mongers! I'd like for anyone to explain how a woman riding a bicycle on a country road is going to infect anyone with Ebola. It would be impossible! Did she have blood pouring from every orifice? Was she in anyway contagious? Why were the news reporters camped in front of her house....to get the story of the defiant nurse. There have been people coming back and forth volunteering for Doctors Without Borders for years that are exposed to all different diseases. Additionally, although she is not under a quarantine she is voluntarily staying in her home.

Kaci Hickox, the nurse who treated Ebola patients in West Africa and fought a mandatory quarantine last week, will not need to participate in a hearing Tuesday to rehash whether she'll need to stay home for the next 10 days.

A judge in Augustus, Maine, ruled in Hickox's favor Friday, issuing a temporary order that she could leave her home and spend time in public spaces despite state officials' attempts to force her into mandatory quarantine and force her to take an Ebola blood test.

The matter was scheduled for a hearing Tuesday, but that hearing has been canceled because Hickox agreed to comply with the temporary order until her 21-day incubation period is up on Nov 10. She will need to participate in active monitoring, coordinate her travel with officials and report any symptoms if they appear.

"We just found common ground with the state of Maine," Hickox's lawyer, Norman Siegel, told ABC News. "You can find it. You just have to work hard and listen even if you disagree with them."

Hickox had been treating patients in Sierra Leone with Doctors Without Borders before she returned to the United States and landed in Newark Liberty International airport on Oct. 24. Upon landing, she was questioned for six hours and quarantined in an isolation tent through the weekend.

On Monday, she was allowed to drive home to Maine. Once there, officials first suggested a voluntary quarantine and then sought to legally enforce it.

But Hickox said she wouldn't comply because the quarantine rules weren't "scientifically valid." She said she fought the quarantine for all the other health workers expected to return from West Africa in the coming weeks.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, she can't spread Ebola -- which she's twice tested negative for -- if she doesn't have symptoms, and even then, others would need to be in contact with her bodily fluids to catch it.

"I am humbled today by the judge's decision and even more humbled by the support that we have received by the town of Fort Kent, the state of Maine, across the United States and even across the border," Hickox, 33, told reporters today from her home in Fort Kent.

Ebola Nurse Kaci Hickox Agrees to Self-Monitor Until Nov. 10, Her Lawyer Says - ABC News

[yorkietalkjilly]

Couldn't agree more, Jodi. There is just no credible science from those who are currently working with Ebola cases who can justify quarantining anyone who isn't showing any symptoms whatsoever. I just don't get where the rabid fear of her is coming from, particularly when not one of those grinding on Kaci are just as fearful of Dr. Fauci or any other American workers who are around very sick Ebola patients spewing bodily fluids while carrying very high viral loads in their bodies. None of our other American Ebola medical teams have quarantined either and they didn't infect anyone.

Dr. Spencer was out running around NYC - so are those Bellevue doctors and nurses. So were the NIH and Emory doctors and nurses caring for Nina Pham and Amber Vinson. No one is trashing them on Facebook and Twitter that I know of. I can't explain why all the focus is centered on that one Maine nurse when others are evading quarantines even as we speak and have been ever since American workers have been returning from West Africa all during this and other epidemics.

[lynzy420]

The only person who died, poor Mr. Duncan was in contact with several people before he died and was NOT a threat, how do we know this? Because none of his family members, close friends, plane partners or even the Emergency Room personnel or patients from the first visit got Ebola, the only people who got Ebola were the personnel who had direct contact with him when he was most contagious and weren't properly addressing his needs or their own. period.


(insert here - their incubation period is now over, they survived.....)


I don't know how anyone thinks a nurse riding around on a bike (with a regulation helmet, I might add) is going to spread Ebola, it doesn't stand to reason.


This isn't West Africa, there is treatment and the cure is treatment, here in this modernized country.


The only way to prevent yourself from getting Ebola (unless your traveling to West Africa) is by making sure you stay away from people with explosive diarrhea, vomiting especially if there appears to be any blood....I'm kinda thinking you all would do that anyway????

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

The only person who died, poor Mr. Duncan was in contact with several people before he died and was NOT a threat, how do we know this? Because none of his family members, close friends, plane partners or even the Emergency Room personnel or patients from the first visit got Ebola, the only people who got Ebola were the personnel who had direct contact with him when he was most contagious and weren't properly addressing his needs or their own. period.


(insert here - their incubation period is now over, they survived.....)


I don't know how anyone thinks a nurse riding around on a bike (with a regulation helmet, I might add) is going to spread Ebola, it doesn't stand to reason.


This isn't West Africa, there is treatment and the cure is treatment, here in this modernized country.


The only way to prevent yourself from getting Ebola (unless your traveling to West Africa) is by making sure you stay away from people with explosive diarrhea, vomiting especially if there appears to be any blood....I'm kinda thinking you all would do that anyway????

It's funny how the same people that are yelling about the GOVERNMENT closing the borders and pretty much the same people that are yelling about too much government involvement in their lives. Just saying.......

[yorkietalkjilly]

And, somebody, please, tell me why folks don't think Dr. Fauci, NIH, Emory U Hospital. or Bellevue Ebola doctors and nurses, the latter which are working on Dr. Spencer RIGHT THIS MINUTE but are out and about after their shifts, are not being pig-headed, careless and selfish because they are out living their lives? Does anybody understand why THEY aren't getting ANY heat at all?

Some of the hate and fear directed toward Hickox reminds me in some ways of how despicably young Ryan White was treated when he was sick with AIDS - except Hickox isn't sick.

It seems to me the wealthy, well-fed FDR was playing fast and loose with America when he said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" back in the days of the Great Depression and impending World War war, as hundreds of thousands had to fear deprivation, days of hunger for them and their children, no jobs, no place to live, no medical care, hopelessness and big trouble looming in Europe that most knew would certainly hit us in the gut one day.

But it sure seems to apply here and now with Ebola and Hickox and others who have been around Ebola patients who were contagious but aren't contagious themselves. Still, the fear is overpowering to so many.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

And, somebody, please, tell me why folks don't think Dr. Fauci, NIH, Emory U Hospital. or Bellevue Ebola doctors and nurses, the latter which are working on Dr. Spencer RIGHT THIS MINUTE but are out and about after their shifts, are not being pig-headed, careless and selfish because they are out living their lives? Does anybody understand why THEY aren't getting ANY heat at all?

Some of the hate and fear directed toward Hickox reminds me in some ways of how despicably young Ryan White was treated when he was sick with AIDS - except Hickox isn't sick.

It seems to me the wealthy, well-fed FDR was playing fast and loose with America when he said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" back in the days of the Great Depression and impending World War war, as hundreds of thousands had to fear deprivation, days of hunger for them and their children, no jobs, no place to live, no medical care, hopelessness and big trouble looming in Europe that most knew would certainly hit us in the gut one day.

But it sure seems to apply here and now with Ebola and Hickox and others who have been around Ebola patients who were contagious but aren't contagious themselves. Still, the fear is overpowering to so many.

I feel like you are comparing apples to oranges, she showed a fever at one time and authorities should have quarantined her until they had more information. Wouldn't we all be furious if they didn't quarantine her, and it turned out she had Ebola, but they ignored the symptom of fever? Have these other people shown a fever or any symptoms? No. If they haven't shown any symptoms, then it's entirely different. I just believe she brought a lot of this upon herself. Her attitude is horrible and she should be trying to reassure the American public that she is doing the safe thing. Even the bicycle ride was an act of deviance, and it's not like I think she's breathing on everyone, but it is pretty easy to get a bloody knee on a bike. Personally, I think she's loving her 15 minutes of fame, I'm confused why you feel the need to defend her.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I feel like you are comparing apples to oranges, she showed a fever at one time and authorities should have quarantined her until they had more information. Wouldn't we all be furious if they didn't quarantine her, and it turned out she had Ebola, but they ignored the symptom of fever? Have these other people shown a fever or any symptoms? No. If they haven't shown any symptoms, then it's entirely different. I just believe she brought a lot of this upon herself. Her attitude is horrible and she should be trying to reassure the American public that she is doing the safe thing. Even the bicycle ride was an act of deviance, and it's not like I think she's breathing on everyone, but it is pretty easy to get a bloody knee on a bike. Personally, I think she's loving her 15 minutes of fame, I'm confused why you feel the need to defend her.

Even if she were to run head on into an oncoming car and her blood was splattered across the windshield and all over the road SHE DID NOT HAVE EBOLA so what does her having a bloody knee have to do with the price of apple, oranges or bananas?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Even if she were to run head on into an oncoming car and her blood was splattered across the windshield and all over the road SHE DID NOT HAVE EBOLA so what does her having a bloody knee have to do with the price of apple, oranges or bananas?

It's not about her having or not having the Ebola it's about public perception. It's about her not following an court order for just one more day. If she had, it would have given people confidence, this woman is doing what's right and if she has any type of symptom in the future, she'll do the responsible thing. But no, she has to act defiant and it was like, "Damn you, you aren't going to tell me what to do. I'm taking a bike ride, I'll show you." Real mature. This makes people scared and they feel like she's not responsible and she might even hide symptoms or do something esle stupid in the future to put others at risk. It's about reassuring the public that the workers volunteering in Africa are reasonable and prudent people and will do the right thing. She took a bad situation and made it worse and caused even more panic because now people feel like some people could have it, but won't obey court orders to stay confined to their homes. Perhaps she not spreading Ebola, but she's spreading panic and an uneasy feeling that we have no control, and in my opinion, that's almost as bad. I also think people might overreact and want everyone coming back from Africa quarantined.

[MauiGirl]

How can she be so compassionate to go to Africa to help sick people, yet so defiant and uncaring about her fellow Americans by refusing to follow protocol to be evaluated because she had a fever upon return to U.S.?

Her defiant, self centered, ME ME ME attitude is disgusting. She is not a team player, and not someone I would associate with, or work with, not because of ebola.... because of her attitude.

If I thought there was even a remote chance I could have something contagious I would gladly take every possible precaution to not take a chance on spreading it, or spreading fear to others.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I feel like you are comparing apples to oranges, she showed a fever at one time and authorities should have quarantined her until they had more information. Wouldn't we all be furious if they didn't quarantine her, and it turned out she had Ebola, but they ignored the symptom of fever? Have these other people shown a fever or any symptoms? No. If they haven't shown any symptoms, then it's entirely different. I just believe she brought a lot of this upon herself. Her attitude is horrible and she should be trying to reassure the American public that she is doing the safe thing. Even the bicycle ride was an act of deviance, and it's not like I think she's breathing on everyone, but it is pretty easy to get a bloody knee on a bike. Personally, I think she's loving her 15 minutes of fame, I'm confused why you feel the need to defend her.

You probably just missed it but I did completely qualify my argument earlier in this thread to why Hickox was court-ordered bio-tent confined and home quarantined AFTER her only symptom was during airport screening and after two negative Ebola tests so I'm not comparing apples to oranges. Other Ebola workers and symptomatic people fearing they have Ebola have all been released to active monitoring after testing negative but only Hickox was kept under state-ordered, bio-tent and home-confinement by two states for - what - 4 or 5 days - and had to go to court for the same treatment as others were freely given. Then the people begin to shun, make ugly remarks about and isolate her socially just as they did Ryan White.

Even if she did spill all 6 quarts of her blood into your broken skin and mucus membranes, Nancy, you won't get Ebola from her as she's not sick with or dead from it and is not contagious to you or anybody until she is sick and spreading fluids with a high viral load or dead due to Ebola Virus Disease.

And should she begin running fever today, she's not capable of infecting anyone until she's titering a high viral load that somehow gets into another's body, though high viral loads don't occur until the patient is gravely ill and having copious vomiting, diarrhea or bleeding.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

You probably just missed it but I did completely qualify my argument earlier in this thread to why Hickox was court-ordered bio-tent confined and home quarantined AFTER her only symptom was during airport screening and after two negative Ebola tests so I'm not comparing apples to oranges. Other Ebola workers and symptomatic people fearing they have Ebola have all been released to active monitoring after testing negative but only Hickox was kept under state-ordered, bio-tent and home-confinement by two states for - what - 4 or 5 days - and had to go to court for the same treatment as others were freely given. Then the people begin to shun, make ugly remarks about and isolate her socially just as they did Ryan White.

Even if she did spill all 6 quarts of her blood into your broken skin and mucus membranes, Nancy, you won't get Ebola from her as she's not sick with or dead from it and is not contagious to you or anybody until she is sick and spreading fluids with a high viral load or dead due to Ebola Virus Disease.

And should she begin running fever today, she's not capable of infecting anyone until she's titering a high viral load that somehow gets into another's body, though high viral loads don't occur until the patient is gravely ill and having copious vomiting, diarrhea or bleeding.

I understand what you are saying, at least I think I do, but I don't feel like you understand what I'm saying. So I'll just say "uncle".

[yorkietalkjilly]

And I'll say "Uncle" and "Aunt"!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

And I'll say "Uncle" and "Aunt"!

Does that mean I win?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Does that mean I win?

lol. You are always a winner, Miss Nancy!!!

[Yorkiemom1]

I am anxiously awaiting to hear what our new governor is going to do to address this issue and how Texas will be dealing with the whole ebola issue.