First US Ebola diagnosed in Dallas

[megansmomma]

How we has this idiot:
Alleged Ebola Faker Throws Scare into Christ Hospital

A woman who claimed she had traveled to Africa arrived at Advocate Christ Medical Center’s emergency room claiming to have Ebola-like symptoms turned out to be an Ebola faker.

On Sunday afternoon when Oak Lawn first responders were dealing with the massive traffic accident at 95th Street and Cicero Avenue, a woman went to Advocate Christ’s emergency room around 5 p.m. seeking treatment for diarrhea, vomiting and fever.

“This patient self-reported having recently traveled to Africa. Out of an abundance of caution, we notified the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Cook County Department of Public Health and the Illinois Department of Public Health,” hospital spokeswoman Katie Eller said.

Oak Lawn Village Manager Larry Deetjen said that Advocate Christ notified village officials early Monday morning about a patient with a possible Ebola infection.

“She walked in and ‘self-reported that she had been traveling to Africa and she had symptoms of Ebola and had traveled during the incubation period,” Deetjen said. “The hospital wisely on Sunday evening per their protocol assembled all appropriate staff at the hospital.”

The patient claimed she had been traveling in Senegal. An Ebola epidemic is currently affecting many countries in West Africa. Health experts estimate the incubation period to be anywhere from two to 21 days after exposure to the Ebola virus.

Deetjen said the village worked quietly throughout the day Monday with Advocate Christ, making calls to the Center for Disease Control, the Cook County Department of Public Health and the Illinois Department of Public Health.

“We met with our own staff from a public safety and health perspective,” Deetjen said. “We had excellent communication with the county and Cook County Commissioner [John] Daley. “The hospital brought their team into village hall late afternoon and informed us that they were confident there was no evidence that [the patient] had been to Africa.”

The patient is currently being treated for her flu-like symptoms.

“We will continue to take all necessary precautions and work with the appropriate state and federal officials, as well as the Village of Oak Lawn as the circumstances dictate,” Eller said.

Oak Lawn Mayor Sandra Bury said the village held several meetings throughout the day on Monday.

“Our biggest concern was the safety of residents and people coming into Oak Lawn,” Bury said. “Our first responder staff is constantly in that ER.”

Bury added that Advocate Christ staff and county agencies were highly responsive to anything needed in the village “up to the highest level.”

“I can’t say enough good things about Advocate Christ,” the mayor added. “The decision makers for the hospital were all engaged. They came to village hall and we asked questions. We wanted to make sure things were safe. Everyone worked together beautifully.”

According to the mayor, Oak Lawn Emergency Management Agency has protocol in place to handle every type of disaster.

“I’m so grateful that the patient is not in that serious of a condition,” Bury said. “It’s nothing we have to deal with now, but that’s not to say it couldn’t happen in the future.”

[yorkietalkjilly]

Again, Linda, I am certain you, me and all the others on YT are none of us is truly qualified to use our original thoughts to comment on the infectious/contagious properties or behavior of this virus in any way as we none of us have any direct knowledge of it. So we each choose to parrot the sources' words and terms we prefer and that's fine but how you would question whether my words are my original thoughts on the Ebola virus' behavior is still puzzling. We all echo/reflect terms we've heard or read about things we've never had personal experience with - even you - yet I've never questioned whether your thoughts on Ebola were "original" - I know better, links or not. Only time will tell which sources we've all chosen to use are right or wrong about it.

So many keep questioning why the PPE's are used, here is some more parroting of other's expertise on them. Various experts say the PPE's are critical for healthcare workers handling sick patients and those who immediately clean up fresh, moist/warm waste after the them, to prevent the virus getting into the staff's bodies.

Other uses of PPE's by Ebola cleaning crews cleaning transport vehicles, wards, homes long after patients were removed from them - would be twofold - first to save those people from the unlikely chance that a glob of infected, congealed blood, stool or vomit, etc., had managed to stay warm and/or moist in some crevice or area of moisture or warmth and had somehow managed to retain enough of a still-living viral load sufficient to infect. Then some direct unprotected touch, cleaning tool or spray dislodged it onto a nearby cleaner's exposed mucous membranes or cut skin before the disinfectant solution and fogger had time to kill it. So they wear PPE's for the rarest of exceptions. According to WHO(link posted above), even in a West African Ebola center where doctors tested 33 surfaces , no virus or even its DNA remained on any of the surfaces other than a doctor's bloody surgical gloves and a bloody site where a surgical needle had been inserted.

The second reason PPE's are used is purely legal so there is no question about every possible safety measure being taken to protect the crew - but also to legally protect the employer, the CDC, the city, a hospital who didn't properly diagnose, etc., should one of the crew possibly contract Ebola from some other direct contact in the community he's unaware of, forgets about or just fails to mention. With all workers in full CDC-approved, fully operational PPE's with appropriate suit-up/suit-off precautions taken, it can't be proved with any legal certainty that he got Ebola from cleaning up after a sick patient or their waste due to lack of adequate infectious-disease protective measures.

Turns out the Spanish assistant nurse with Ebola who initially said she used all necessary precautions in dealing with her Ebola contacts, which caused many reporters to question whether this virus is even more infectious than previously thought, is reportedly now saying she might have touched her face after removing Ebola-contaminated gear. It's a deadly disease.

So we are cool with agreeing to disagree, right? I still love you silly, lady, and will always appreciate your kind thoughts and words during tough times, both on YT and personally. Your work with dogs and help on YT are invaluable to Yorkie-lovers.

[yorkietalkjilly]

R. I. P., Thomas Eric Duncan.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

Thomas Duncan in the man here in dallas, has passed away. It was just announced on the new's.

Just saw this too - so sad . His poor family.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Again, Linda, I am certain you, me and all the others on YT are none of us is truly qualified to use our original thoughts to comment on the infectious/contagious properties or behavior of this virus in any way as we none of us have any direct knowledge of it. So we each choose to parrot the sources' words and terms we prefer and that's fine but how you would question whether my words are my original thoughts on the Ebola virus' behavior is still puzzling. We all echo/reflect terms we've heard or read about things we've never had personal experience with - even you - yet I've never questioned whether your thoughts on Ebola were "original" - I know better, links or not. Only time will tell which sources we've all chosen to use are right or wrong about it.

So many keep questioning why the PPE's are used, here is some more parroting of other's expertise on them. Various experts say the PPE's are critical for healthcare workers handling sick patients and those who immediately clean up fresh, moist/warm waste after the them, to prevent the virus getting into the staff's bodies.

Other uses of PPE's by Ebola cleaning crews cleaning transport vehicles, wards, homes long after patients were removed from them - would be twofold - first to save those people from the unlikely chance that a glob of infected, congealed blood, stool or vomit, etc., had managed to stay warm and/or moist in some crevice or area of moisture or warmth and had somehow managed to retain enough of a still-living viral load sufficient to infect. Then some direct unprotected touch, cleaning tool or spray dislodged it onto a nearby cleaner's exposed mucous membranes or cut skin before the disinfectant solution and fogger had time to kill it. So they wear PPE's for the rarest of exceptions. According to WHO(link posted above), even in a West African Ebola center where doctors tested 33 surfaces , no virus or even its DNA remained on any of the surfaces other than a doctor's bloody surgical gloves and a bloody site where a surgical needle had been inserted.

The second reason PPE's are used is purely legal so there is no question about every possible safety measure being taken to protect the crew - but also to legally protect the employer, the CDC, the city, a hospital who didn't properly diagnose, etc., should one of the crew possibly contract Ebola from some other direct contact in the community he's unaware of, forgets about or just fails to mention. With all workers in full CDC-approved, fully operational PPE's with appropriate suit-up/suit-off precautions taken, it can't be proved with any legal certainty that he got Ebola from cleaning up after a sick patient or their waste due to lack of adequate infectious-disease protective measures.

Turns out the Spanish assistant nurse with Ebola who initially said she used all necessary precautions in dealing with her Ebola contacts, which caused many reporters to question whether this virus is even more infectious than previously thought, is reportedly now saying she might have touched her face after removing Ebola-contaminated gear. It's a deadly disease.

So we are cool with agreeing to disagree, right? I still love you silly, lady, and will always appreciate your kind thoughts and words during tough times, both on YT and personally. Your work with dogs and help on YT are invaluable to Yorkie-lovers.

Jeanie, this has nothing to do with you or me agreeing or disagreeing. I did not set out questioning you about whether your comments were your thoughts or someone else's thoughts/writings.

What I did, was comment about your stating that Ebola is a wimpy virus (outside of the body or whatever wording you used). YOU came back and said those were not your thoughts, but someone else's. Why you keep harping on this is beyond me. This is the LAST time I am going to explain it to you.

I have no ax to grind with you and totally don't get this. at. all. Your thoughts on this virus are indeed different than mine but so what? Many of us have differing opinions all of the time.

Personally, if I had read that Ebola was a wimpy virus, I would not post it in a way that people would think it was my thoughts if it indeed was someone else's....I would probably say something along the line of this: So and so said that Ebola is wimpy and I would have posted a link for reference. That comment really concerns me as I have stated over and over and over on this thread; because the response to this virus is not telling me that it is a wimpy virus. You can say what you want about why they are taking the precautions they are and I can say why I think they are. I am not here to act like an expert on this virus. I am posting my thoughts about it.

And, as for your first sentence....if I don't have the knowledge, I am not going to comment (usually). I see a lot of it on YT...people googling and parroting what they read and often it is incorrect. I did do it once on this thread and was corrected and assumed responsibility for it. Nope...I am not an expert in this virus and am only voicing my observations.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Just saw this too - so sad . His poor family.

Yes it is very sad.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Guess I was the only Ebola non-expert on YT whose obviously non-original, parroted comments you questioned, later misquoted and decided to make an issue of - so be it. At least the discussion draws attention to the experts' varying opinions on its contagious qualities as none of us are actually capable of opining from any direct knowledge.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Guess I was the only Ebola non-expert on YT whose obviously non-original, parroted comments you questioned, later misquoted and decided to make an issue of - so be it. At least the discussion draws attention to the experts' varying opinions on its contagious qualities as none of us are actually capable of opining from any direct knowledge.

Wow.......so the bottom line is that I should have read your comments and never commented.

I questioned Ann so clearly YOU were not the ONLY ONE.

As I said previously, I am done. I really should not even be posting THIS. But, I don't care much for your insinuations at all.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Yes it would be awful and, while I don't like fear mongering, I do think people need to take this virus seriously.

Funny, though, that other one (enterovirus 68) is scarier right now imo and no one seems to be all that worried. I have to say that if I had young children, I would have a hard time not worrying myself sick over it.

I agree that not enough attention is being paid to that one.

Originally Posted by TxVicki

Thomas Duncan in the man here in dallas, has passed away. It was just announced on the new's.

Very sad. RIP Thomas Duncan.

Relative to quotes/links/attribution in posting on this topic, I interpreted Linda's post as simply saying it is confusing who is saying what -- kind of like in the lengthy spay/neuter pro and con thread. I believe we are all genuinely interested in both topics and it is confusing in some posts what is a news report or other source, and what is a comment from a YT member.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Wow.......so the bottom line is that I should have read your comments and never commented.

I questioned Ann so clearly YOU were not the ONLY ONE.

As I said previously, I am done. I really should not even be posting THIS. But, I don't care much for your insinuations at all.

But you accepted others' words on the virus' contagious properties without questioning whether their words and opinions were original to them, yet knowing they couldn't have been, as none of us are experts.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

But you accepted others' words on the virus' contagious properties without questioning whether their words and opinions were original to them, yet knowing they couldn't have been, as none of us are experts.

I think this entire back and forth debate just needs to be dropped. Everyone has an opinion on what is happening because of all of the idea that it is now spread outside of West Africa. But that was bound to happen. Thankfully, we (very general) live in conditions that are not third world with controls in place that put there for a reason. In the US we have the CDC and the government in charge when it comes to outbreaks of contagious diseases. There is none of this control where the virus is widely spread.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I think this entire back and forth debate just needs to be dropped. Everyone has an opinion on what is happening because of all of the idea that it is now spread outside of West Africa. But that was bound to happen. Thankfully, we (very general) live in conditions that are not third world with controls in place that put there for a reason. In the US we have the CDC and the government in charge when it comes to outbreaks of contagious diseases. There is none of this control where the virus is widely spread.

We each of us have all vigorously debated and defended our positions back and forth on various threads, including you, for the years I've been a member. Have you taken this position of recommending dropping the back and forth when you were in the midst of a such a debate? If you have, I apologize for taking issue with and defer to you for showing such restraint and strength of character. If you haven't, how is this any different from when you were in the throes of debating? I understood the forum allowed each person the freedom to fully express his/her thoughts as long as they follow the rules of the forum and stay on the subject of the thread.

Still, the poor man is dead and it really is time to begin to think about other things. It's going to be a sobering and anxious week as we all wait to see which other of his close contacts develop symptoms as direct contact is so dangerous. I sure pray those children, who kept hugging and kissing him, as his niece described it, or his partner/fiancee, who slept with and likely came into very close contact with him during his well and conversion to contagious periods, can somehow escape infection. Hopefully, if they do get sick, they will go to a different hospital under full measures of isolation all the way through the process and get the best of care.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

But you accepted others' words on the virus' contagious properties without questioning whether their words and opinions were original to them, yet knowing they couldn't have been, as none of us are experts.

I SWORE I would not respond again to this nonsense....but here you go.

DO SHOW ME WHERE I QUESTIONED YOU FROM THE START ABOUT WHETHER THE WORDS WERE YOURS OR OTHERS!!!!!!!!!

I feel like I am talking to a brick wall. You keep harping and I keep responding. I merely said that I don't think Ebola is wimpy as you had posted (and I don't care where it was...in or out of the body...still not wimpy in MY mind...I had NO idea they were not your thoughts because you said them as if they were).... and THEN when I commented, YOU SAID you were using another person's words. SO THEN I SAID IT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AND WHERE YOU ARE USING ANOTHER'S WORDS. PERIOD. Stop making false accusations....READ MY WORDS PLEASE. This is tiring Jeanie.

Am I yelling with these caps? Yes! Because clearly you have not noticed anything I have said here and it is very frustrating.

Am I upset now? No...just trying so hard to chisel through to get you to understand. BUT I PROMISE MYELF THIS IS THE END!!

I hope you can let this go and find some peace in your day. This is so not worth hassling over.

[ladyjane]

Here Jeanie is my FIRST comment to you about the word wimpy:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/4494030-post91.html


And this is my last one! SMH

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

How we has this idiot:
Alleged Ebola Faker Throws Scare into Christ Hospital

A woman who claimed she had traveled to Africa arrived at Advocate Christ Medical Center’s emergency room claiming to have Ebola-like symptoms turned out to be an Ebola faker.

On Sunday afternoon when Oak Lawn first responders were dealing with the massive traffic accident at 95th Street and Cicero Avenue, a woman went to Advocate Christ’s emergency room around 5 p.m. seeking treatment for diarrhea, vomiting and fever.

“This patient self-reported having recently traveled to Africa. Out of an abundance of caution, we notified the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Cook County Department of Public Health and the Illinois Department of Public Health,” hospital spokeswoman Katie Eller said.

Oak Lawn Village Manager Larry Deetjen said that Advocate Christ notified village officials early Monday morning about a patient with a possible Ebola infection.

“She walked in and ‘self-reported that she had been traveling to Africa and she had symptoms of Ebola and had traveled during the incubation period,” Deetjen said. “The hospital wisely on Sunday evening per their protocol assembled all appropriate staff at the hospital.”

The patient claimed she had been traveling in Senegal. An Ebola epidemic is currently affecting many countries in West Africa. Health experts estimate the incubation period to be anywhere from two to 21 days after exposure to the Ebola virus.

Deetjen said the village worked quietly throughout the day Monday with Advocate Christ, making calls to the Center for Disease Control, the Cook County Department of Public Health and the Illinois Department of Public Health.

“We met with our own staff from a public safety and health perspective,” Deetjen said. “We had excellent communication with the county and Cook County Commissioner [John] Daley. “The hospital brought their team into village hall late afternoon and informed us that they were confident there was no evidence that [the patient] had been to Africa.”

The patient is currently being treated for her flu-like symptoms.

“We will continue to take all necessary precautions and work with the appropriate state and federal officials, as well as the Village of Oak Lawn as the circumstances dictate,” Eller said.

Oak Lawn Mayor Sandra Bury said the village held several meetings throughout the day on Monday.

“Our biggest concern was the safety of residents and people coming into Oak Lawn,” Bury said. “Our first responder staff is constantly in that ER.”

Bury added that Advocate Christ staff and county agencies were highly responsive to anything needed in the village “up to the highest level.”

“I can’t say enough good things about Advocate Christ,” the mayor added. “The decision makers for the hospital were all engaged. They came to village hall and we asked questions. We wanted to make sure things were safe. Everyone worked together beautifully.”

According to the mayor, Oak Lawn Emergency Management Agency has protocol in place to handle every type of disaster.

“I’m so grateful that the patient is not in that serious of a condition,” Bury said. “It’s nothing we have to deal with now, but that’s not to say it couldn’t happen in the future.”

Crazy!! To put people through all of that...wonder if she has a mental health issue...