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yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 02:16 PM

No, I didn't and you are right - the glasses fog like mad. I used to wear glasses to see far off all my life and they did fog over.

So glad that jury found she acted with extreme cruelty. Boy, that old smirky Jodi Arias is gone and that face is very sober and serious now. Too bad, Jodi.

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 02:21 PM

Arias ran into a group of people she couldn't fake out or manipulate or control.

Ewww, did you see how arrogant she looked when they said the words "guilty"! I just now saw it on TV. Cold as a fish!!! Pout in place and looking daggers at that jury. Wow.

ladyjane 05-15-2013 02:22 PM

Oh yeah...and not a HINT of the tears she supposedly shed all day. Anyone who cried as long as she acted like she did would have something...swollen eyes and red nose. She is such a phony. Yes, those people have seen right through her.

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 02:25 PM

Geez, I think I saw the look she must have had on her face when she retrieved her knife and gun from wherever she kept them. Dead cold and mean. She looked at that jury like that just now. If I were on that jury, I'd hope she never escapes anytime soon. I'd honest be scared of that thing.

ladyjane 05-15-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4214828)
Geez, I think I saw the look she must have had on her face when she retrieved her knife and gun from wherever she kept them. Dead cold and mean. She looked at that jury like that just now. If I were on that jury, I'd hope she never escapes anytime soon. I'd honest be scared of that thing.

She is a very cold person indeed....scary. I am glad she will never be out of jail or dead. Does not really matter to me as long as the public does not have to deal with the likes of her.

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 02:30 PM

Wow, she turned those tears and that pitiful act off like a lightswitch. Just went cold and stoney and quietly angry. I saw hate. I'm surprised she's not keeping up her act but maybe she's thinking what is the point - these 12 folks have got my number and I'm outta strokes. Man, she's creepy.

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4214795)
No, instead she is sitting there faking crying. I did not see her take her glasses off to dry them ONE time..did you? Did I miss something? Anyone who has ever worn glasses knows there is no way if you cried that much they would not be fogged and wet. All she does as usual is put a tissue to her nose and scrunch up that ugly face. She makes me sick.

That's what I was thinking, I saw no tears, but I did see her pressing her nose a lot and this can cause your eyes to water and your nose to get red. She would definitely be taking off her glasses if she were crying. So glad the jury wasn’t fooled by her, good job jury, keep up the good work!

Yorkiemom1 05-15-2013 03:42 PM

For somebody that NEVER cried during all the horrific crime as it was retold over and over in court, I imagine her lawyer told her, you had better dam well show some heart and some soul when you go in there today, or they will hang you from the rafters in the courtroom this weekend!!! So she shows up squalling crocodile tears all day...I had to leave and get an ultrasound on one of my girls that is pregnant, so I missed the ending of it all......did she finally just give the act up and return to her cold, heartless self???

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4214885)
For somebody that NEVER cried during all the horrific crime as it was retold over and over in court, I imagine her lawyer told her, you had better dam well show some heart and some soul when you go in there today, or they will hang you from the rafters in the courtroom this weekend!!! So she shows up squalling crocodile tears all day...I had to leave and get an ultrasound on one of my girls that is pregnant, so I missed the ending of it all......did she finally just give the act up and return to her cold, heartless self???

When they were reading the verdict, she looked very cold. I saw absolutely no emotion. I really think she's medicated, but she looked like she didn't care one way or another.

Yorkiemom1 05-15-2013 04:19 PM

Did she get life or death???????? or is that what they were doing today?????? She got "guilty" last week...I thought they were going to decide today if she got life or death?????

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 04:25 PM

She was stone cold, Judy. Looked arrogant as heck. The way she looked so intensely hateful at that jury as they were polling them, it stopped your breathing for a second. You got to see the real Jodi Arias for a bit. Today the jury had to rule on the "Aggravation" phase of the case and they said the case that she used extreme cruelty was proven. Boy, when they found against her, off flew her mask for a good while!

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4214944)
Did she get life or death???????? or is that what they were doing today?????? She got "guilty" last week...I thought they were going to decide today if she got life or death?????

Today they talked about Aggravating Factors and Juan had to convince the jury that this was different than other murders in that it was crueler and Travis suffered greatly in those last 2 minutes. The jury all 12 decided that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there was cruelty involved and she knowingly inflicted that pain. You need this to keep the death penalty on the table. Tomorrow will be Mitigating Factors and this is when the family will talk about how the loss of Travis has impacted their lives. Jodi’s family will also have a chance to beg for her life and Jodi will also get a chance, but she’s been saying she doesn’t want life, she want’s death, so I’m not sure if she will beg for her life. Then after that, the jury will decide, if it's life or death, but I think the judge still has a chance to soften it to life, but I don't think she will. Some say Alyce might speak during the Mitigating Factors part. That should be interesting.

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 04:32 PM

You'd think the defense wouldn't let ALV anywhere near that witness stand again she was such a disaster.

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4214966)
You'd think the defense wouldn't let ALV anywhere near that witness stand again she was such a disaster.

I agree, I guess she was originally planned to testify, so she's on the list, but many say it would be a mistake since the jury hates her so much. I'm still thinking she will get into trouble after the trial is over for perjury.

I was disgusted with the argument that since Travis was in fight or flight mode, adrenaline was kicking in and he probably didn’t feel that much pain. It reminded me of when Willmott was arguing with the ME and she said something like, “But the bullet was only in the brain for a second.” He shook his head and said, “yeah a second is enough time.” I just think some of these lame arguments work against them.

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4214984)
I agree, I guess she was originally planned to testify, so she's on the list, but many say it would be a mistake since the jury hates her so much. I'm still thinking she will get into trouble after the trial is over for perjury.

I was disgusted with the argument that since Travis was in fight or flight mode, adrenaline was kicking in and he probably didn’t feel that much pain. It reminded me of when Willmott was arguing with the ME and she said something like, “But the bullet was only in the brain for a second.” He shook his head and said, “yeah a second is enough time.” I just think some of these lame arguments work against them.

I saw that! Yick. I've seen ALV's name cropping up all day and all the lambasting people are giving her for possibly getting on the stand again.

Nancy, wasn't that sick!!! "Oh, he was so terrified and fighting for his life so hard, his adrenalin rush kept him from hurting from all my client's repeated stabs!!!" I wanted to throw up. SERIOUSLY???

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4214991)
I saw that! Yick. I've seen ALV's name cropping up all day and all the lambasting people are giving her for possibly getting on the stand again.

Nancy, wasn't that sick!!! "Oh, he was so terrified and fighting for his life so hard, his adrenalin rush kept him from hurting from all my client's repeated stabs!!!" I wanted to throw up. SERIOUSLY???

I really disagree with the theory you need to bring up everything you can no matter how obnoxious so the jury will say it's wasn’t cruel. What she needed to do was not piss the jury off. Most probably don't even want to give Jodi the death penalty and are looking for some sort of remorse, but these excuses for everything and her not taking one iota of responsibility are really going to backfire, I think. Willmott loses so much credibility when she pulls these stunts.

Yorkiemom1 05-15-2013 05:03 PM

Guillotine!!!!!!! Guillotine!!!!!!!!!! Guillotine!!!!!!!!!!! (I AM HOLLERING THIS OUT LOUD AND WRINGING MY BONY HANDS AND GNASHING MY SNAGGLED, ROTTING TEETH!!!!)

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 05:05 PM

Are you watching Dr. Drew. Juror #8 is going to be on his show tonight. I am interested in watching what he has to say so I will watch that live.

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4215019)
Are you watching Dr. Drew. Juror #8 is going to be on his show tonight. I am interested in watching what he has to say so I will watch that live.

I just saw it, he sounds like he's really disappointed in himself for letting the family down. Dr. Drew showed so much compassion, I just love him.
Anyway, found the notes on LaViolette: This is from a year ago.

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Defense counsel advises that they will be calling Alyce Laviolette at the mitigation phase
of the trial.
The State is on notice of defense counsel’s intent to call Alyce Laviolette at the
mitigation phase of the trial.http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...2/m5249880.pdf

yorkietalkjilly 05-15-2013 08:02 PM

I hope they do call her. I don't think she has any credibility and obviously the jury didn't buy her bunk first time around.

jp4m2 05-16-2013 04:07 AM

Does anyone know if during mitigation does each side get to question the people who go on the stand? For instance if Jodi's mom goes up would J. M. question her or is this just a phase where people speak and then get down from the stand.

As a side note, as a woman I was embarrassed for Willmott and her horrible attempt to try to make us believe Travis didn't suffer from excess adrenaline rushing through his body and he died quickly from the blood pumping out so fast. All I could do was shake my head, how pathetic of a defense.

Nancy1999 05-16-2013 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 4215287)
Does anyone know if during mitigation does each side get to question the people who go on the stand? For instance if Jodi's mom goes up would J. M. question her or is this just a phase where people speak and then get down from the stand.

As a side note, as a woman I was embarrassed for Willmott and her horrible attempt to try to make us believe Travis didn't suffer from excess adrenaline rushing through his body and he died quickly from the blood pumping out so fast. All I could do was shake my head, how pathetic of a defense.

I heard them say Jodi can't be questioned, and I think this is true for all. I agree the adrenaline argument was so stupid, and if Travis did have lots of adrenaline in his system, it would actually slow blood loss, which would increase the amount of time he suffered.

jp4m2 05-16-2013 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4215329)
I heard them say Jodi can't be questioned, and I think this is true for all. I agree the adrenaline argument was so stupid, and if Travis did have lots of adrenaline in his system, it would actually slow blood loss, which would increase the amount of time he suffered.

I was sure if they could or not because one of the commentators said they didn't think Jodi's mom would want to get up to speak because Juan would ask her about the dreaded spoon incident. :confused:

Wylie's Mom 05-16-2013 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4215015)
Guillotine!!!!!!! Guillotine!!!!!!!!!! Guillotine!!!!!!!!!!! (I AM HOLLERING THIS OUT LOUD AND WRINGING MY BONY HANDS AND GNASHING MY SNAGGLED, ROTTING TEETH!!!!)

I really wish you'd *stop* with all the subtlety! Gawd! I can never figure out what you mean bc you always beat around the bush. :p

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4215095)
I just saw it, he sounds like he's really disappointed in himself for letting the family down. Dr. Drew showed so much compassion, I just love him.
Anyway, found the notes on LaViolette: This is from a year ago.

I love Dr. Drew too! Sometimes he's a litttttle too self indulgent, but not enough where it really gets to me. I just like how he lets his panel talk and discuss, and I like his insight as a psych too.

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4215329)
I heard them say Jodi can't be questioned, and I think this is true for all. I agree the adrenaline argument was so stupid, and if Travis did have lots of adrenaline in his system, it would actually slow blood loss, which would increase the amount of time he suffered.

I too think this is true. I think those who get on the stand can make their statements and don't get questioned. However, they have very strict guidelines as to what they can/can't say. Like, they can't ask the jury to give her the death penalty (unforch).

ladyjane 05-16-2013 06:13 AM

BOTH of her attorneys tried to quit a couple of weeks ago! I know Nurmi tried a few times and failed....now both have asked. They did not release the reason, but I will bet it was from her idiotic interview.
I want to feel badly for them, BUT I am having a hard time in that they have made such jerks of themselves in how they treated people.....especially Nurmi with his questioning of that sweet girl (forget her name right now) who had dated Travis in the past.

jp4m2 05-16-2013 06:56 AM

I can't even imagine anyone wanting to hire Willmott after seeing her skills as an attorney on this case. To me she looked so unprofessional, lacking in experience, repetitive, monotonous, and lack luster in her questioning of witnesses.

yorkietalkjilly 05-16-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 4215450)
I can't even imagine anyone wanting to hire Willmott after seeing her skills as an attorney on this case. To me she looked so unprofessional, lacking in experience, repetitive, monotonous, and lack luster in her questioning of witnesses.

I thought it was just me. JM always seemed uninspired and as if she doesn't believe in her own client or the narrative. I never saw any fiery passion. And she couldn't talk any better, more professional experts than those second-bests to assess and work for her client????? And neither she nor Nurms had enough gravitas to get Arias' respect and compliance, it seems like.

Why didn't they convince Arias to play the victim card, play up to her acting and scamming skills and get her to throw herself on the mercy of the court and show nothing but remorse? When you've slaughtered another human being like an animal and left him no dignity, the last thing I'd think you want to do is trash his memory before the world for months on the stand, taking absolutely no responsibility yourself. That was her only real shot to get out of jail relatively "early" - go sad and pitiful. She's a young, fairly attractive woman and she could have played that "I snapped when he attacked and I'm so sorry" card without the character assassination with some amount of success with many who are hesitant to send that type of person away for a long, long time. The way they've done it, Arias and her lawyers and experts have just angered everyone. A lot do seem to want revenge for TA, not just justice.

ladyjane 05-16-2013 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 4215450)
I can't even imagine anyone wanting to hire Willmott after seeing her skills as an attorney on this case. To me she looked so unprofessional, lacking in experience, repetitive, monotonous, and lack luster in her questioning of witnesses.

Totally agree....but, we also have to remember she did not have much to work with.

ladyjane 05-16-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4215490)
I thought it was just me. JM always seemed uninspired and as if she doesn't believe in her own client or the narrative. I never saw any fiery passion. And she couldn't talk any better, more professional experts than those second-bests to assess and work for her client????? And neither she nor Nurms had enough gravitas to get Arias' respect and compliance, it seems like.

Why didn't they convince Arias to play the victim card, play up to her acting and scamming skills and get her to throw herself on the mercy of the court and show nothing but remorse? When you've slaughtered another human being like an animal and left him no dignity, the last thing I'd think you want to do is trash his memory before the world for months on the stand, taking absolutely no responsibility yourself. That was her only real shot to get out of jail relatively "early" - go sad and pitiful. She's a young, fairly attractive woman and she could have played that "I snapped when he attacked and I'm so sorry" card without the character assassination with some amount of success with many who are hesitant to send that type of person away for a long, long time. The way they've done it, Arias and her lawyers and experts have just angered everyone. A lot do seem to want revenge for TA, not just justice.

Honestly, I don't totally blame them....I have a very strong feeling that what they have done has been crafted by Jodi. She thinks she is smarter than everyone.....
They could only work with what she gave them....they are not supposed to GIVE her a defense. Their job is to defend whatEVER she says happened.

yorkietalkjilly 05-16-2013 08:38 AM

But you know the Bigs tell the client how it's gonna be if they want to get a decent chance to get off or not do a long long sentence and the smart ones go along. What does that say about the lawyer when they can't bring their high-school dropout client along to save her life? Says the client had no reason to put any trust in either atty. I guess that's what you get though when you ask others to pay out of their pockets for your defense! You go off your boyfriend cause he broke it off with you and now you expect to get a lawyer you trust to know what to do when all the hard-working taxpayers are footing your bill? Guess ol' Jodi didn't think they knew any better than she did what to do and after all, she's smarter than Einstein.

Wonder if her first appeal will be based on ineffective assistance of counsel? She'll probably blame them just like she does everyone else.


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