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MishyMish 12-14-2012 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bcsouthpaw (Post 4078612)
Have been crying all day. No words can express...evil personified.
The shooter is now identified as Adam Lanza, his mother was killed at the school, a brother was found dead at home and a girlfriend and another friend are apparently missing in New Jersey. But that could/will change as media is reporting unsubstantiated tips etc..
God bless the innocent who suffered because this terrible, inhumane, evil act.
Although this person may have some mental illnesses. I don't understand why people have to attach mental illness to the horrible things people do. They are people, who do bad things and may have a mental illness. Not individuals who have a mental illness are the only people who do bad or horrific things.


Just my opinion and this is why perfectly sane people who do insane things always try pleading insanity or a sort of mental illness. Your not insane, you just did a bad thing.

bcsouthpaw 12-14-2012 06:22 PM
Exactly. Most mentally ill people don't hurt anyone and yet are all painted with the same brush. Some people are just evil...period.

Nancy1999 12-14-2012 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MishyMish (Post 4078646)
Although this person may have some mental illnesses. I don't understand why people have to attach mental illness to the horrible things people do. They are people, who do bad things and may have a mental illness. Not individuals who have a mental illness are the only people who do bad or horrific things.


Just my opinion and this is why perfectly sane people who do insane things always try pleading insanity or a sort of mental illness. Your not insane, you just did a bad thing.
People attach mental illness to something like this because it's so senseless. While a person doesn't need to be mentally ill to kill or seek revenge, normal people even "evil" people think killing innocent children is wrong. People who have harmed children are treated the worst in prison, it’s just not acceptable even among the most harden criminals. By the way, sane and insane are legal terms, not terms used in psychiatry, and usually imply the person didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. People who are mentally ill usually know the difference between right and wrong, but they have delusions that influence their decisions.

Yorkiemom1 12-14-2012 07:15 PM
Paranoid schizophrenia, dissassociative psychosis, sociopaths....these are all legitimate mental illnesses that can throw an individual into the depths of insanity...can make them become "evil" and do "evil" things. Not excuses for bad behavior, but legitimate disease proceses.....As a society, we can NOT just write this off as something an evil person did...that will do NOTHING towards reconstructing or revamping what this country does for its mentally ill patients. When these people take their medications, (with the exception of sociopaths) they can cope and integrate into society and function well. But......if they dont take their meds...??? I personally am hopeful we see the day when these patients are implanted with devices that can administer dosing of these medications...out of the control of the patient. THAT ought to throw the ACLU into a tailspin!!!

yorkietalkjilly 12-14-2012 08:14 PM
Just read a news story where they reported a woman whose son knew him in school said that her son said he was very thin, remote and called him a "goth". Apparently in addition to his reported autism, OCD, PD, Asperger's, he subscribed to the gothic lifestyle. Police who saw his room said it was immaculate, a place for everything and everything in its place, so unlike the room of most 20 year old males. I heard that he used guns registered to his mother to kill with.

Carmeow 12-14-2012 08:31 PM
The body found in his home was his mother. He killed her first and then drove her car to the school...

There are no words for this. I am so deeply shocked and saddened. It makes me afraid to have a child these days. I can't begin to imagine how these parents feel. 11 days shy of Christmas...

Carmeow 12-14-2012 08:35 PM
There was a shooting in my highschool when I was in 10th grade. We were in lockdown for about three hours and two people were killed. The next week they brought in metal detectors and made us go through them every other day, in the morning. After a week or two they stopped using the metal detectors.

I said it this morning on Facebook and I will say it again. EVERY school in America should require FULL 24/7 use of metal detectors no matter what. Every single school day. Every single child, teacher, and visitor should have to walk through a metal detector. It is THAT simple.

yorkietalkjilly 12-14-2012 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Carmeow (Post 4078761)
There was a shooting in my highschool when I was in 10th grade. We were in lockdown for about three hours and two people were killed. The next week they brought in metal detectors and made us go through them every other day, in the morning. After a week or two they stopped using the metal detectors.

I said it this morning on Facebook and I will say it again. EVERY school in America should require FULL 24/7 use of metal detectors no matter what. Every single school day. Every single child, teacher, and visitor should have to walk through a metal detector. It is THAT simple.
That's awful! I can't imagine that happening in school when I was a student. Probably would have marked me for life. I'll bet you were so scared to go to school after that for a long while.

It's awful to think of a school where kindergarten-aged kids have to file through a metal detector to go learn how to read and write, isn't it? Awful but it may come to that.

Carmeow 12-14-2012 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4078768)
That's awful! I can't imagine that happening in school when I was a student. Probably would have marked me for life. I'll bet you were so scared to go to school after that for a long while.

It's awful to think of a school where kindergarten-aged kids have to file through a metal detector to go learn how to read and write, isn't it? Awful but it may come to that.
Yes, maybe schools will feel more like prisons but they would be SO MUCH SAFER. That's worth it to me, if it prevented even one future instance like this one.

I don't remember a lot of when it happened at my hs. I was in the gym with a friend and my choir director decorating for a Christmas concert. We heard code red on the PA system and we ran into an office and locked the door. My mom heard about it on the news and rushed to the school. She threw a huge fit because no one could tell her where I was...as a teacher assistant I was running a special errand and wasn't in my class. I felt so bad for my mom when she finally met me in the gym. She was so scared during the time she couldnt find me. We went home and I remember asking her if I could be homeschooled because I was so scared. Ugh. I'm getting shaky remembering all of this. Imagine being an ELEMENTARY aged student and going through this...that is terrifying. They'll always be known as survivors now. Thank God for that....it could have been so much worse...as if 20 isn't bad enough...

yorkietalkjilly 12-14-2012 08:56 PM
Gosh, that sounds totally frightening for any young person to go through. I just can't imagine what being in terrible, imminent danger in what is supposed to be one of the safest places in the world would do to a young person. That's got to shatter your confidence. And your poor mom, having to wait for so long to find out if she had a living child!!! Awful, awful. Was the shooter a young male with mental problems?

Carmeow 12-14-2012 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4078774)
Gosh, that sounds totally frightening for any young person to go through. I just can't imagine what being in terrible, imminent danger in what is supposed to be one of the safest places in the world would do to a young person. That's got to shatter your confidence. And your poor mom, having to wait for so long to find out if she had a living child!!! Awful, awful. Was the shooter a young male with mental problems?
Two black freshman males. Thats all I know, I never heard their names. It is scary. Schools should be safe havens. Not the place shooters pick for the shock factor. :( I heard the principal at Sandy Hook (who was shot and passed away) was very dedicated and devoted...she had recently begun implementing new safety procedures...so sad.

yorkietalkjilly 12-14-2012 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Carmeow (Post 4078781)
Two black freshman males. Thats all I know, I never heard their names. It is scary. Schools should be safe havens. Not the place shooters pick for the shock factor. :( I heard the principal at Sandy Hook (who was shot and passed away) was very dedicated and devoted...she had recently begun implementing new safety procedures...so sad.
Well, at least they got the shooters. Sorry you had to go through something this awful as a young person. Had to give you nightmares for quite a long time.

MishyMish 12-14-2012 09:08 PM
Schools will have to be built like prisons. Everyone will have to go through double security doors and metal detectors and the playgrounds will have to be made of reinforced concrete and barbed wire to keep predators out while they play. Ridiculous. You can't do anything anymore quite the same. School - from elementary to Universities, mall, theaters, planes, trains, and plain-ole sight seeing. It just can't be done blindly anymore because people are killing anyone, anywhere, anytime, and for any reason. I don't know what the solution is, but taking away guns is not going to solve the problem.

Fatalivy 12-15-2012 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MishyMish (Post 4078565)
So you have never did anything bad? I doubt that... Everything bad you have ever done was the effect of a mental illness? People need to take responsibility for their actions and stop copping out or blaming mental illness.
Yep, I've done things Im not proud of, but all minor. Tragedies such as this is mental.

loveyorkiegirls 12-15-2012 05:34 AM
This is so heartbreaking...praying for all the families involved.


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