Pregnant woman mauled to death by family pit bull

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Like most complex problems, there's never any one cure all answer, and I have no idea if most of the attacks are done by unneuted/unspayed dogs, I just believe that we need to start studying the problem, and this should start with those breed clubs effected by this. It seems to me, that they seem to be more interested in revamping their image after one of the incidents than tackling the problem.

Nancy please link the pitbull club, that is recognized by AKC or CKC.

We have on this list innumerable examples of Yorkies biting, and generally being bad citizens. So shall we ban Yorkies, because of their bites or aggressiveness?

And yes Yorkies have been involved in maiming seriously small children or babies. I suppose from the inepitude of their owners.

So breed clubs affected by biting humans, lets look at Yorkies, Poms. Jack Russels, Goldens, Labs, Shepherds, Rotties et al.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by gemy

Nancy please link the pitbull club, that is recognized by AKC or CKC.

We have on this list innumerable examples of Yorkies biting, and generally being bad citizens. So shall we ban Yorkies, because of their bites or aggressiveness?

And yes Yorkies have been involved in maiming seriously small children or babies. I suppose from the inepitude of their owners.

So breed clubs affected by biting humans, lets look at Yorkies, Poms. Jack Russels, Goldens, Labs, Shepherds, Rotties et al.

I just did a quick google search...so I'm not trying to advocate anything it was just one of the first links that popped up.
Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to June 25, 2010 - By Merritt Clifton - DogsBite.org

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by gemy

Nancy please link the pitbull club, that is recognized by AKC or CKC.

We have on this list innumerable examples of Yorkies biting, and generally being bad citizens. So shall we ban Yorkies, because of their bites or aggressiveness?

And yes Yorkies have been involved in maiming seriously small children or babies. I suppose from the inepitude of their owners.

So breed clubs affected by biting humans, lets look at Yorkies, Poms. Jack Russels, Goldens, Labs, Shepherds, Rotties et al.

I'm hardly an expert, and I understand that no one dog is considered a pit bull, but then we should find out which breed exactly is killing people. I'm not talking about biting people, I'm talking about killing people, and that's a big difference. I just think this attitude of denying that there is a problem is a real problem. Here several breeds that may be part of the problem, and these breed clubs could study the problem.

Staffordshire Bull Terrier

The Staffordshire bull terrier had its beginnings in England many centuries ago when the bulldog and Mastiff were used for the sports of bull-baiting and bear-baiting; in the Elizabethan era, breeders produced large dogs for these sports but later on the 100–120 pound animal gave way to a small, more agile breed of up to 90 pounds.[9]

The sport of dog fighting gained popularity in England in the early 19th century and a smaller, faster dog was developed. It was called by names such as "bulldog terrier" and "bull and terrier". The bulldog at that time was larger than the modern-day English bulldog we know today, weighing about 60 pounds. This dog was crossed with a small native terrier, related to the present-day Manchester terrier to produce the Staffordshire bull terrier weighing on average between 30 and 45 pounds.[9]

James Hinks, in about 1859, crossed the Old pit bull terrier, now known as the Staffordshire bull terrier, and produced the all-white English bull terrier. The Kennel Club in Great Britain recognized the bull terrier in the last quarter of the 19th century, but the Staffordshire bull terrier's reputation as a fighting dog was such that The Kennel Club did not recognize the breed until 1935, a century after the sport of dog fighting became illegal in Great Britain under the Cruelty to Animals Act 1835.[9]The Staffordshire bull terrier was admitted to registration in the AKC Stud Book effective October 1, 1974, with regular show classification in the Terrier Group at AKC shows available on and after March 5, 1975.[10]


Another:

American Pit Bull Terrier

American pit bull terrierThe American pit bull terrier is the product of interbreeding between terriers and a breed of bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog.[11] These dogs were initially bred in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and arrived in the United States with immigrants from these countries. In the United States, these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions[11]. Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[12] [13]

The United Kennel Club (UKC) was the first registry to recognize the American pit bull terrier.[14] UKC founder C. Z. Bennett assigned UKC registration number 1 to his own dog, "Bennett's Ring", as an American pit bull terrier in 1898.[11]

American pit bull terriers successfully fill the role of companion dog, police dog,[15][16] and therapy dog.[17] Terriers in general have a higher tendency towards dog aggression[18] and American pit bull terriers constitute the majority of dogs used for illegal dog fighting in the United States.[19] In addition, law enforcement organizations report these dogs are used for other nefarious purposes, such as guarding illegal narcotics operations,[20] use against the police,[21] and as weapons.[22]The fighting reputation of pit bull-type dogs led the San Francisco Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in 1996 to relabel pit bull terriers as "St. Francis terriers" (not associated with the "terrier" mascot of St. Francis College in New York) so that they might be more readily adopted;[23] 60 temperament-screened dogs were adopted until the program was halted after several of the newly adopted dogs killed cats.[24] The New York City Center for Animal Care and Control tried a similar approach in 2004 by relabeling their pit bull terriers as "New Yorkies", but dropped the idea in the face of overwhelming public opposition.[25][26]

Another
American Staffordshire Terrier
The American Staffordshire terrier was the product of 19th century interbreeding between bulldogs and terriers that produced the "bull-and-terrier dog", "Half and Half", and at times "pit dog" or "pit bullterrier," the last named becoming the "Staffordshire bull terrier" in England. The bulldog of that time differed from the modern Bulldog, having a full muzzle and a long, tapering tail. There is some debate whether the White English terrier, the Black and Tan terrier, the Fox terrier or some combination thereof were used. These dogs began to find their way into America as early as 1870 where they became known as pit dog, pit bull terrier, later American bull terrier, and still later as Yankee terrier.[27] They were imported primarily, but not exclusively, for pit fighting.[28]

In 1936, they were accepted by the American Kennel Club (AKC) as "Staffordshire terriers". The name of the breed was revised effective January 1, 1972, to "American Staffordshire terrier" since breeders in the United States had developed a type which is heavier in weight than the Staffordshire bull terrier of England and the name was changed to distinguish them as separate breeds.[27]

Again we're not talking about just biting, we're talking about killing and/or seriously maiming. Is it your position that the breed clubs involved shouldn’t even do a study about this?

[yorkietalkjilly]

When dog bites are discussed here, I also hear the argument that not all "pitbull" attacks are fullbred pitbulls and pitbulls are unfairly labeled in all of those. Like the pitbull, all those breeds people mention in comparison to pitbulls when discussing biting damage, are not all fullbred versions of whatever breed they may be called in the official report and those breeds, like the pitbull, also have derivations and crosses as well.

Every recorded GSD bite is not necessarily a fullbred GSD, but could be some crossbred version of the GSD - part GSD and part Husky. But if it looks mostly like a GSD or the owner calls it that, that is probably what the Police or Animal Control Officer is going to write down on his bite report - GSD or "shepherd". Pom bite? How do you know it is really a Pom? Same with the Yorkie? Wasn't that really a Silky? And the Lab. There are lots of Lab crosses just like shepherd crosses running around - they are not all pure bred and yet when you see a report that says "Lab bite", do you assume it is a fullbred Lab? Sounds like maybe some of you do.

All breeds have derivations and yet the dog is mostly listed on any bite report as the breed it most closely resembles or what it is called by its owner - who may or may not really know what breed it is. Or, perhaps the Officer writes down the breed it most looks like to him. So to me, that argument does not hold water - not all biting dogs that look like a certain breed are in fact purebred versions of that breed.

And it sure seems like when all is said and done, the pitbull and its derivations and crossbred versions are leading the so-called breed list of bites that cause damages leading to medical and funeral costs as opposed to any other breed and its derivations and crosses. I personally think it is because so many of the pitbull types with that huge bite radius, massive head and chest and compact body are deliberately bred for frank aggression and/or outright killing ability and their at-large gene pool is polluted by those traits.

I don't see how our cash-strapped city/county/state services could ever police or properly oversee who actually buys a particular type of dog. But I could see some type of sliding-scale prosecution perhaps where the owner of the attacking dog actually does jail time for an attack leading to death or severe injuries categorized by the injury/loss of body part or dollar amounts of actual medical/funeral costs. If you dog kills a person, 2 years in jail, probation, limited dog ownership in the future; if he blinds a person in an attack, it is a year in prison, say. Something in that nature - sort of the way workmen's compensation cases are categorized by the type of injury as far as the severity of each body part injured. There are several categories of injury per body part and the rules of categorization are published. A medical doctor assesses the level of injury based upon those rules and dollar amounts paid to the claimant are based on that assessment. A hearing is held on that assessment, you may bring your attorney and 2 appeals follow the initial finding if the claimant desires but the final hearing is final and that is the way it could be with biting injury prosecutions.

Whatever we do, if this society doesn't start trying to better protect humans and other animals from all dogs whose attacks kill or maim for life, we are sadly failing all of the victims and our dogs.

Sadly, I think our legislators won't act because they so fear offending dog lovers that vote.

[My lil friend]

This is just my opinion and truely I hope it wont cause a stink, but I have read or heard several stories lately about (fill in the blank) breed attacking,causing injury,or killing a person or small pet. I find this appauling.
When I was a child my father told me that if my pom EVER bit someone "unprovoked" that he would put him down. When we got 2-bits (huskey/sheperd mix) I had no idea how big he would get and hadn't ever owned any dog that weighed more than 40lbs. I told our children that we would have to work hard to train him because "if he ever bit anyone unprovoked" I would have him put down. He turned 15 last Thursday,has been the BEST dog that I have ever owned. We had a 2yr old here once that tackled him and knocked him to the floor,he stood up,barked once in the childs face and asked to go outside. All before I could make the 8ft between us,all I said was "no" when he stood up.
On another note: A few years back, one of my daughters was bitten in the stomache by the dog across the street,both families have 6 children,everyone was playing in the backyard and the dog (schnauzer) charged across the yard and bit my child who was standing alone,not next to one of their children. He was an older dog and noone could figure out why he did this. When their dad got home from work he brought the dogs papers for me to see,offered to put the dog down the next day. I asked him to rehome the animal to someone that didnt have children or the possiblility of kids coming over or put the dog to sleep. The dog was gone in 3 days later to a new home.
Sense my family is mostly made up of country/farming type people I was always told that if a dog bit someone or went after the livestock on your property then it didn't matter why,once they taste blood they are no good to anyone. They put the animal down and if your dog was on someone elses property and did something then you literally could not hold your head up in public,because you didn't have control of your animal. It just isn't that way anymore.

I dont think that there is one thing that will solve the problem of dogs not being properly trained or cared for because our society has degraded to a people that arent interested in being a person of "integrity". Pride in oneself and what they have doesn't exist in many places. To many it is more about acquiring things instead of taking care of what you have (the malls are full of people spending money that they dont have). People are no longer interested in being a good neighbor or even knowing their neighbors,just to busy with their own lives. This is something that our society has chosen and only choosing differently is going to improve things. There can be laws put into place to protect,but that will only work if punishment is actually handed out. Im truely more interested in being a part of a society that cares about each other,our children and our pets than having laws in place that will punish someone after myself,my child or my pet has been harmed by someone or their animal. Until then those of us that do care will have to be ever watchful to protect our children and pets.

[CouversMom]

Pacifica dog mauling?what really happened? - National American Pit Bull | Examiner.com

[Britster]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

Pacifica dog mauling?what really happened? - National American Pit Bull | Examiner.com

Thanks for posting this. I was waiting for something else to come out considering the first story didn't have very much info.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

Pacifica dog mauling?what really happened? - National American Pit Bull | Examiner.com

The story just got sadder.

Although I cannot understand how the injuries obtained from a ladder can be confused with that of a dog attack.

[Britster]

Oh, and I forgot to add, I am so sorry for the terrible loss. That poor husband and what he must be going through.

My thoughts and prayers are with them.

[ChibiLuv]

Regarless if these dogs were really guilty Pit bulls and pit bull like dogs can be dangerous and I agree that some sort of safegaurgs need to be in place. I dont see what would be wrong with a mandatory spay and neuter law for all dogs deemed capable of killing a person (unless medically unable). You could make breeders pay some sort of breeding license and that could stimulate the economy a bit. I love pit bulls and have known very sweet ones but I dont think I could ever trust one 100%, they are just so goofy and playful but also strong and powerful, they could hurt you on accident and that scares me a bit. I feel like pit bull activist should be finding some middle ground law, like mandatory spay/neuter before pit bull haters get thier way and ban them all togehter.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Oh, this poor man just maybe tragically, needlessly lost his dog besides the tragic death of his wife and child? How in the world can they call it a mauling if she had no bites? Blood from head or other wounds from a fall would not look look like a dog biting/tearing wound, would it? Aren't most fatal wounds from big dogs from tearing flesh away in vital areas or severing blood vessels? Something very odd about the initial report. I pray a good dog did not needlessly die!

Whether this turns out to be a mauling doesn't change our desperate need to try to stop the carnage from big dangerous dogs and then maybe many horrible injuries as well as needless people and dog deaths can be significantly reduced. What a better world that would be.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh, this poor man just maybe tragically, needlessly lost his dog besides the tragic death of his wife and child? How in the world can they call it a mauling if she had no bites? Blood from head or other wounds from a fall would not look look like a dog biting/tearing wound, would it? Aren't most fatal wounds from big dogs from tearing flesh away in vital areas or severing blood vessels? Something very odd about the initial report. I pray a good dog did not needlessly die!

Whether this turns out to be a mauling doesn't change our desperate need to try to stop the carnage from big dangerous dogs and then maybe many horrible injuries as well as needless people and dog deaths can be significantly reduced. What a better world that would be.

Me too. I had this vision in my head from the original story of horrible bite wounds everywhere. Seems like it the death was from being 'mauled' it would be fairly obvious.

[Valenie]

Wow!!! I cant believe they reported it as they did ......

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

Pacifica dog mauling?what really happened? - National American Pit Bull | Examiner.com

Talk about irresponsible reporting, now there are stories out that this story is not true either and was posted by a pit bull advocate. I don't have a clue to the true story, but maul is such a descriptive word. I’ve got to say, I miss the local newspaper, where at least if facts weren’t known, they’d say cause of death unknown. If indeed the dog had nothing to do with this women’s death, why did they shoot it? Makes me think the husband set the whole thing up. Please if someone hears of a reliable account, update this thread.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Talk about irresponsible reporting, now there are stories out that this story is not true either and was posted by a pit bull advocate. I don't have a clue to the true story, but maul is such a descriptive word. I’ve got to say, I miss the local newspaper, where at least if facts weren’t known, they’d say cause of death unknown. If indeed the dog had nothing to do with this women’s death, why did they shoot it? Makes me think the husband set the whole thing up. Please if someone hears of a reliable account, update this thread.

I had the same suspicion about the husband but felt so bad because of thinking that. But with such a strange turn of events, something seems very very strange,doesn't it. Just hope I didn't think that about somebody in great, great pain and going through the worst time in his life but when such a different story comes out, now you wonder.