Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 3610356)

Wow, I am beginning to think that you are a very insolent person. I feel sorry for you if the person you are portraying is really how you are.

Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3610224)

I do agree that it is a sad situation. But she created it for herself. Coming from a mother with 4 children, 21,20,16,and 13, I have been drilling my kids that drugs are bad... forever. I don't change my position, she chose to take drugs no one held a gun to her head. Now she needs more and more and look what happened. She should have never had that first one. Sorry still don't feel bad. I feel bad for people who have a disease, or die in an accident. A drug overdose is just plain stupidity and she never should have started doing it period. Obviously they don't care enough about themselves or the people who love them, to not start doing it in the first place.
Let's just agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 3610369)

Drug and alcohol addiction is a proven disease .

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3609824)

There have been many very talented people in history who have gone far too young due to addictions, mental illness, etc. Van Gogh for example. Drunk on absinthe all the time. Jackson Pollock. Even Kevyn Aucoin the makeup artist died from Tylenol poisoning. Actually a lot of true artists/musicians I often times think they must have been high to come up with something that magical. But some people have real demons that they can't deal with, and they look for something to help. Some go to the doctor, some self medicate. While unfortunately some self medication can usually lead to self destruction. But there are some drugs that are legal and some are not, and we all know even the legal ones are dangerous.

Have you ever taken drugs? Have you ever been in such a mental state that you felt this was the only way? If not then I am very happy for you, but for many people, including myself, at the time, it feels like there is no other choice. Unless you have been there, you do not know. That place is very dark, scary, and lonely. Just like someone who has an eating disorder, it is something that you live with and deal with for the rest of your life.

If you truly didn't care why did you even bother to post in this thread? I read tons of threads on YT and other forums all the time that I don't feel I have anything substantial to add, so I skip it. I don't go posting "ah I don't care about this subject".

Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3610224)

I do agree that it is a sad situation. But she created it for herself. Coming from a mother with 4 children, 21,20,16,and 13, I have been drilling my kids that drugs are bad... forever. I don't change my position, she chose to take drugs no one held a gun to her head. Now she needs more and more and look what happened. She should have never had that first one. Sorry still don't feel bad. I feel bad for people who have a disease, or die in an accident. A drug overdose is just plain stupidity and she never should have started doing it period. Obviously they don't care enough about themselves or the people who love them, to not start doing it in the first place.
Let's just agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3610224)

I do agree that it is a sad situation. But she created it for herself. Coming from a mother with 4 children, 21,20,16,and 13, I have been drilling my kids that drugs are bad... forever. I don't change my position, she chose to take drugs no one held a gun to her head. Now she needs more and more and look what happened. She should have never had that first one. Sorry still don't feel bad. I feel bad for people who have a disease, or die in an accident. A drug overdose is just plain stupidity and she never should have started doing it period. Obviously they don't care enough about themselves or the people who love them, to not start doing it in the first place.
Let's just agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3610443)

So did my sister inlaw and she has a son who is a heroin addict. She had no idea he was using. He was a star athlete in high school, held a full time job, was engaged to be married~until he ran his car into the side of a cement mixer on his way to work after passing out behind the wheel of his car. He was missing for 4 days in a hospital while they searched for his family. We were all shocked to learn he had been using since high school. His mother is still devastation that he is unable to stay clean. It is not a reflection of her parenting skills. This is evident from his brother who is a very successful professional.

He was a good kid that made a bad choice while he was in his late teens. That choice will forever haunt him for the rest of his life. Addition is very powerful. It does not know things such as love or money and once you cross over it will forever hold you in its clutches. It is so much more than you seem to even understand about the power it hold.

Please never say never. :(

Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3610451)

I didn't say never!! I don't know what the future holds so I would never say never.

I feel bad for you sister but he made the initial decision to take the drug in the first place. He made the choice.

Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3610370)

Don't feel sorry for me. I call 'em as I see 'em. I don't mean to be rude but that is how I see it. Don't be rude to me, I wasn't rude to anyone. Just agree to disagree and that's it. You are not going to change my opinion and I'm not going to change yours.

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3610435)

Addiction is a proven disease that one is born with. I had an amazing upbringing with a picture perfect family. My parents drilled into me that "drugs are bad". At age 21 I laid homeless in the streets in the East Village of NYC. You better believe that I didn't choose that. I pray that none of your kids have to experience the disease of addiction. And I pray that if they do, you will not condemn them. I always cared about myself and my family. But once you are caught in it, you are stuck. I hope that you can open your eyes just a little bit more. One day you may be forced to.

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3610459)

It's not a choice. Nobody chooses to become addicted.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3610466)

Wow, I had no idea, and how kind of you to share that with the people here, I'm sure you may have helped someone who feels too much shame to admit it. The disease is fast for some and slow for others, but most have no choice. I agree that people shouldn't be too judgemental, everytime I was, God taught me a lesson!

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3610435)

Addiction is a proven disease that one is born with. I had an amazing upbringing with a picture perfect family. My parents drilled into me that "drugs are bad". At age 21 I laid homeless in the streets in the East Village of NYC. You better believe that I didn't choose that. I pray that none of your kids have to experience the disease of addiction. And I pray that if they do, you will not condemn them. I always cared about myself and my family. But once you are caught in it, you are stuck. I hope that you can open your eyes just a little bit more. One day you may be forced to.

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3610469)

I'm rarely public about it but figure what the heck. I was one of the lucky ones. I believe it's about 5% who win the battle when they choose to fight.

Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 3610468)

Making the choice to either take the drug or walking away the first time you are exposed to it is a choice. The addiction part comes after you have to have it. Then you need more and more that's all I'm saying. Everyone comes out of the woodwork and feels so sad and sorry for a "celebrity" that has died of an overdose. Are you really surprised??? Like I said before everytime I've ever seen her on TV she has been strung out. I do think it is sad that those close to her probably like her crew or something enabled her and that she had to die because of it, that I feel sad for. I am sorry that she didn't get help. but again if she didn't do it that very first time she could never have become addicted. that's all

Someone on here before said that they knew she did drugs but didn't think it was that bad to cause her to OD. What??
Doing drugs is not ok period.