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luv-my-max · 04-07-2010, 07:59 PM

One thing that people don't understand about this breed is they have a muscle that runs from their jaw to the top of their head. Their jaws are extremely stong and when they bite and latch on they then shake and shake whatever they have a hold of. That is where they can do an extreme amount of damage. I am not saying that I hate the breed or that they should be banned. It would be a shame for those responsible owners that would be punished because of the thugs that think it's cool to breed and even fight these dogs. If you have ever seen what these dogs were put through for fighting it's horrible. Some even inject them with testosterone to make them even more muscular and agressive. And once they are allowed to fight or taught to fight they must be put down. They can't ever be adopted out. As far as pit bull attacks I do have to say that most of the time when you here about a dog attack on the news there is a pit involved. No matter what people who love this breed have to say about it being all in how you raise them, Some breeds are definetly called bully breeds for a reason. I have had one that I grew up with then one day it just snapped and snapped at my one year old son and bit him on the face. Thank God it was only a small puncture wound and a black eye because it could have been much worse. We of course had her put down because there are just no second chances for something like that. Unfortunatly there isn't enough law enforcement out there to control all the bad breeders out there so at the end of the day they need to decide if a ban would be in the best interest of the people.

megansmomma · 04-07-2010, 08:51 PM

I looked around to see if I could find very specific numbers for ALL dog bites and I found the following information that was very interesting so I thought I would share. The chart breaks down around 100 different breeds of dogs, they types of bites, types of injuries and even has footnotes referring to the different situations of some of the statistics. I was really hoping that I would find some evidence to change my thoughts but this chart was a huge eye opener for me. I'm by no means for breed specific legislation but I do think that there are some dog that are much more dangerous than others.

Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009

I also ran across some interesting statistics and then was not able to locate them when I went back to post the link but briefly:

Males dogs are more likely to bite than female
Neutered male is less likely to bite than an intact male

One last comment regarding the above, there are many program that offer free and low cost spay/neuter for Pit Bulls to help curb some of the aggression that is seen. I do believe that as with any family pet this is something at needs to be done for the pet over population in this country.

I don't believe that I am bashing pit owners just stating facts and hope that everyone will look at link to see where the most bites are occurring.

shodanusmc · 04-07-2010, 09:18 PM

It is a myth that Pits lock their jaws. They do not have locking jaws. No dog does. You mentioned tenacious and the desire to fit to the end. THey will hold, but I could teach just about any does to hold. No, no lockingjaws. Some hate the breed, some loe the breed. This debate can go one forever. If I got a pit, it would again be from a reputable breeder, and I would engage the dog is some activity, after he/she was socialized and obdeience trained. They are great at Agility and weight pulling. Also, they make great therapy dogs. They can do damage, but so can a Cocker spaniel and a child.

MauiGirl · 04-07-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma

I looked around to see if I could find very specific numbers for ALL dog bites and I found the following information that was very interesting so I thought I would share. The chart breaks down around 100 different breeds of dogs, they types of bites, types of injuries and even has footnotes referring to the different situations of some of the statistics. I was really hoping that I would find some evidence to change my thoughts but this chart was a huge eye opener for me. I'm by no means for breed specific legislation but I do think that there are some dog that are much more dangerous than others.

Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009

I also ran across some interesting statistics and then was not able to locate them when I went back to post the link but briefly:

Males dogs are more likely to bite than female
Neutered male is less likely to bite than an intact male

One last comment regarding the above, there are many program that offer free and low cost spay/neuter for Pit Bulls to help curb some of the aggression that is seen. I do believe that as with any family pet this is something at needs to be done for the pet over population in this country.

I don't believe that I am bashing pit owners just stating facts and hope that everyone will look at link to see where the most bites are occurring.

I want to see this, but the link does not work for me.

megansmomma · 04-07-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MauiGirl

I want to see this, but the link does not work for me.

It is working for me

Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009

megansmomma · 04-07-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shodanusmc

It is a myth that Pits lock their jaws. They do not have locking jaws. No dog does. You mentioned tenacious and the desire to fit to the end. THey will hold, but I could teach just about any does to hold. No, no lockingjaws. Some hate the breed, some loe the breed. This debate can go one forever. If I got a pit, it would again be from a reputable breeder, and I would engage the dog is some activity, after he/she was socialized and obdeience trained. They are great at Agility and weight pulling. Also, they make great therapy dogs. They can do damage, but so can a Cocker spaniel and a child.

If you take a look at the link that I just posted this statement is NOT true when comparing to other dog bites. The link I posted breaks it down by specific breeds of dogs. It says that from 1982 to 2008 there was 1 cocker spaniel that was involved in a maiming and that was of a child. Maiming would consist of serious bodily injury.

MauiGirl · 04-07-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma

It is working for me

Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009

Ok this one opened up ok. (the other said error in document converting, or something)

ranant12 · 04-08-2010, 04:58 AM

I don't hate any breed of dog. I just personally believe that because of the irresponsible breeding and ownership associated with certain dangerous breeds of dogs, that some types of rules should be in order to actually protect them.

More and more cities are banning pits. Almost every day there is a report of a pit viciously attacking or killing someone. Eventually the breed ban will spred across the nation. What will happen to pits then. Wouldn't it be better to enact rules regarding to breeding and owning them, than to see them banned from almost every area of the country. Which I believe will eventually happen.

There are rules about gun ownership, because they are dangerous in the hands of criminal minded humans. Pits are also dangerous due to the actions of humans. Just because I own a gun that has never been used in a murder, does not mean that I think that every thug on the street has the right to own a gun.

To WyliesMom,

I am not saying that criminals can't be rehabilitated. Trust me, I have a husband that is a Sheriff's Deputy and my father in law is a judge. I KNOW that everyone that has a run in with the law is not a bad person and that every one of them has the potential to change.

But I also think that the small fines associated with leash law violations are so minor that MANY people with shady histories aren't going to pay much attention to them. I believe that to protect pits, we need to enact rules that make owning one, more of a hassle to the non law abiders, than it is worth for them to own one. I have a sister that works for the ST. Francis Animal Shelter here in my town. They do rehab pits and I do know that some pits are sweet loving pets. But it only takes one poorly bred, crazy pit to kill someones child. A yorkie, pomeranian, or poodle may bite someone but they are way less likely to kill them. Pits raised by ignorant people have the strongest potential to kill, due to their genetics.

Once again, I am not a Pit hater! I just think before breed banning gets out of control, or anymore children die, we as a nation of dog lovers need to come up with a plan to make owners and breeders of pits more responsible.

Just my personal opinion.

BaxtersMommy · 04-08-2010, 05:25 AM

Once again proves a Pit can not be trusted. They can kill! I feel so bad for the families of these children.

I hate to think that some of our members of YT may go through this with thier "trusting pet". I pray that never happens.

Princes mom · 04-08-2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

Once again proves a Pit can not be trusted. They can kill! I feel so bad for the families of these children.

I hate to think that some of our members of YT may go through this with thier "trusting pet". I pray that never happens.

I heard about that (OP)case. So, so sad. There is an on-going case here in the ATL area where a young child was attacted by a pit, and had to have part of her arm amputated because of her injuries sustained from the dog bites.
The owner of the dog said that her dog was always so gentle...he wouldn't hurt a flea!

8-year-old attacked by dogs still in critical condition | ajc.com

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/charg...ype=rss_dekalb

Breeze · 04-08-2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma

I looked around to see if I could find very specific numbers for ALL dog bites and I found the following information that was very interesting so I thought I would share. The chart breaks down around 100 different breeds of dogs, they types of bites, types of injuries and even has footnotes referring to the different situations of some of the statistics. I was really hoping that I would find some evidence to change my thoughts but this chart was a huge eye opener for me. I'm by no means for breed specific legislation but I do think that there are some dog that are much more dangerous than others.

Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009

I also ran across some interesting statistics and then was not able to locate them when I went back to post the link but briefly:

Males dogs are more likely to bite than female
Neutered male is less likely to bite than an intact male

One last comment regarding the above, there are many program that offer free and low cost spay/neuter for Pit Bulls to help curb some of the aggression that is seen. I do believe that as with any family pet this is something at needs to be done for the pet over population in this country.

I don't believe that I am bashing pit owners just stating facts and hope that everyone will look at link to see where the most bites are occurring.

If you look on the web further you will see that that "report" is not very scientific" or correct due to the fact: "that the "Pit bull" is not a breed, but a "type" that encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim "Pit bulls" are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds together, then comparing that to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds.

Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". "

It's funny how some yorkie lovers preach about teaching the truth about teacups, tinies..... but have no problem saying and spreading false things about other breeds.

I used to believe this too until I spent many hours researching to learn the truth, I hope others do the same.

CDC Stand on Dog Bite Statistics

livingdustmops · 04-08-2010, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Breeze

If you look on the web further you will see that that "report" is not very scientific" or correct due to the fact: "that the "Pit bull" is not a breed, but a "type" that encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim "Pit bulls" are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds together, then comparing that to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds.

Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". "

It's funny how some yorkie lovers preach about teaching the truth about teacups, tinies..... but have no problem saying and spreading false things about other breeds.

I used to believe this too until I spent many hours researching to learn the truth, I hope others do the same.

CDC Stand on Dog Bite Statistics

megansmomma · 04-08-2010, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breeze

If you look on the web further you will see that that "report" is not very scientific" or correct due to the fact: "that the "Pit bull" is not a breed, but a "type" that encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim "Pit bulls" are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds together, then comparing that to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds.

Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". "

It's funny how some yorkie lovers preach about teaching the truth about teacups, tinies..... but have no problem saying and spreading false things about other breeds.

I used to believe this too until I spent many hours researching to learn the truth, I hope others do the same.

CDC Stand on Dog Bite Statistics

I really wanted to make sure that I was not quoting a Pit Bull hating group when I posted the link that I did so I kept searching last night and found even more information. By no means what I trying to trash the "breed" and felt that the information in that link was informative. What I noted was that it gave a wide range of dogs that were involved in biting incidents, broke it down by breed as well as injury, mauling and even death. If you read the sites at the bottom of the report it give very specific date for instance packs that attacks and the kinds of dogs involved in these attacks. I felt it was responsibly put together and informative but this is only my opinion. The very first sentence of the article says "this table covers only attacks by dogs clearly by breed type or ancestry, as designated by animal control officers or others with evident expertise, who have been kept as pets."

What I found interesting was all of the information at the bottom on the article and how the author was NOT in favor of breed specific legislation.

I then went to their website this was included at the bottom of the article to see if I could find a witch hunt where I found this statement:

ANIMAL•PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide. Founded in 1992, ANIMAL PEOPLE has no alignment or affiliation with any other entity.

Here is the site that I am referring to:

ANIMAL PEOPLE I FRONT PAGE

From what I can see they seem to be a very legitimate organization involved in all types of Animal Rights and have their monthly newsletters with a wide range of information relating to many different issues. I tried to discredit the link but the more that I read the more that I liked what I saw and even book marked their site to go back and read more of their newsletters relating to animal right and issues. If I missed something that should make me think otherwise please point me in the correct direction.

Bianca · 04-08-2010, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breeze

If you look on the web further you will see that that "report" is not very scientific" or correct due to the fact: "that the "Pit bull" is not a breed, but a "type" that encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim "Pit bulls" are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds together, then comparing that to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds.

Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". "

It's funny how some yorkie lovers preach about teaching the truth about teacups, tinies..... but have no problem saying and spreading false things about other breeds.

I used to believe this too until I spent many hours researching to learn the truth, I hope others do the same.

CDC Stand on Dog Bite Statistics

ARCHIE · 04-08-2010, 07:57 AM

Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls".

This statement is hard to believe, really, in any kind of percentage, that is.
I am sure a few may have been mistaken but all in all a pit bull is just that,
a pit bull and the majority of people know what they look like. Even those
dogs that are mixed with this type of dog, they just stand out.
No way can a rottie, spaniel, boxer, lab, etc be identified as one.
I know lot's of people love them and have them as family members but
it remains, they are a dog to be weary of because of the damage they can
do. I don't hate any dog, I have two pits as neighbors, I stay away because
I fear them. It is what it is. Just from reading about attacks makes you
fear them. It's human to have fear from things that can harm you.

04-07-2010, 07:59 PM	#16
luv-my-max Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fayettville Posts: 7	One thing that people don't understand about this breed is they have a muscle that runs from their jaw to the top of their head. Their jaws are extremely stong and when they bite and latch on they then shake and shake whatever they have a hold of. That is where they can do an extreme amount of damage. I am not saying that I hate the breed or that they should be banned. It would be a shame for those responsible owners that would be punished because of the thugs that think it's cool to breed and even fight these dogs. If you have ever seen what these dogs were put through for fighting it's horrible. Some even inject them with testosterone to make them even more muscular and agressive. And once they are allowed to fight or taught to fight they must be put down. They can't ever be adopted out. As far as pit bull attacks I do have to say that most of the time when you here about a dog attack on the news there is a pit involved. No matter what people who love this breed have to say about it being all in how you raise them, Some breeds are definetly called bully breeds for a reason. I have had one that I grew up with then one day it just snapped and snapped at my one year old son and bit him on the face. Thank God it was only a small puncture wound and a black eye because it could have been much worse. We of course had her put down because there are just no second chances for something like that. Unfortunatly there isn't enough law enforcement out there to control all the bad breeders out there so at the end of the day they need to decide if a ban would be in the best interest of the people. __________________ Heather & Max

04-07-2010, 08:51 PM	#17
megansmomma Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S. W. Suburbs of Chicago, IL Posts: 12,235	I looked around to see if I could find very specific numbers for ALL dog bites and I found the following information that was very interesting so I thought I would share. The chart breaks down around 100 different breeds of dogs, they types of bites, types of injuries and even has footnotes referring to the different situations of some of the statistics. I was really hoping that I would find some evidence to change my thoughts but this chart was a huge eye opener for me. I'm by no means for breed specific legislation but I do think that there are some dog that are much more dangerous than others. Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009 I also ran across some interesting statistics and then was not able to locate them when I went back to post the link but briefly: Males dogs are more likely to bite than female Neutered male is less likely to bite than an intact male One last comment regarding the above, there are many program that offer free and low cost spay/neuter for Pit Bulls to help curb some of the aggression that is seen. I do believe that as with any family pet this is something at needs to be done for the pet over population in this country. I don't believe that I am bashing pit owners just stating facts and hope that everyone will look at link to see where the most bites are occurring. __________________ “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” Mark Twain

04-07-2010, 09:18 PM	#18
shodanusmc BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,603	It is a myth that Pits lock their jaws. They do not have locking jaws. No dog does. You mentioned tenacious and the desire to fit to the end. THey will hold, but I could teach just about any does to hold. No, no lockingjaws. Some hate the breed, some loe the breed. This debate can go one forever. If I got a pit, it would again be from a reputable breeder, and I would engage the dog is some activity, after he/she was socialized and obdeience trained. They are great at Agility and weight pulling. Also, they make great therapy dogs. They can do damage, but so can a Cocker spaniel and a child.

04-08-2010, 04:58 AM	#23
ranant12 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 225	I don't hate any breed of dog. I just personally believe that because of the irresponsible breeding and ownership associated with certain dangerous breeds of dogs, that some types of rules should be in order to actually protect them. More and more cities are banning pits. Almost every day there is a report of a pit viciously attacking or killing someone. Eventually the breed ban will spred across the nation. What will happen to pits then. Wouldn't it be better to enact rules regarding to breeding and owning them, than to see them banned from almost every area of the country. Which I believe will eventually happen. There are rules about gun ownership, because they are dangerous in the hands of criminal minded humans. Pits are also dangerous due to the actions of humans. Just because I own a gun that has never been used in a murder, does not mean that I think that every thug on the street has the right to own a gun. To WyliesMom, I am not saying that criminals can't be rehabilitated. Trust me, I have a husband that is a Sheriff's Deputy and my father in law is a judge. I KNOW that everyone that has a run in with the law is not a bad person and that every one of them has the potential to change. But I also think that the small fines associated with leash law violations are so minor that MANY people with shady histories aren't going to pay much attention to them. I believe that to protect pits, we need to enact rules that make owning one, more of a hassle to the non law abiders, than it is worth for them to own one. I have a sister that works for the ST. Francis Animal Shelter here in my town. They do rehab pits and I do know that some pits are sweet loving pets. But it only takes one poorly bred, crazy pit to kill someones child. A yorkie, pomeranian, or poodle may bite someone but they are way less likely to kill them. Pits raised by ignorant people have the strongest potential to kill, due to their genetics. Once again, I am not a Pit hater! I just think before breed banning gets out of control, or anymore children die, we as a nation of dog lovers need to come up with a plan to make owners and breeders of pits more responsible. Just my personal opinion.

04-08-2010, 05:25 AM	#24
BaxtersMommy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,362 Blog Entries: 1	Once again proves a Pit can not be trusted. They can kill! I feel so bad for the families of these children. I hate to think that some of our members of YT may go through this with thier "trusting pet". I pray that never happens.

04-08-2010, 07:57 AM	#30
ARCHIE No Longer A Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 16,218	Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". This statement is hard to believe, really, in any kind of percentage, that is. I am sure a few may have been mistaken but all in all a pit bull is just that, a pit bull and the majority of people know what they look like. Even those dogs that are mixed with this type of dog, they just stand out. No way can a rottie, spaniel, boxer, lab, etc be identified as one. I know lot's of people love them and have them as family members but it remains, they are a dog to be weary of because of the damage they can do. I don't hate any dog, I have two pits as neighbors, I stay away because I fear them. It is what it is. Just from reading about attacks makes you fear them. It's human to have fear from things that can harm you.