Tom Cruise

[Rex'z momma]

you can say he is full of himselfbut then...why not talk about how full of herself Mariah Carey is. She bult a life size cake replica of herself. as for Tom Cruise+Katie Holmes, leave them alone if they love eachother than we cant say he is to old for her. there is a 16 year difference between the ages of my mom and dad. if u starred in a hit movie, wouldn't you want to show off??

[Rex'z momma]

Originally Posted by kewtee

Ok, I haven't seen all the TV you have, but your posts make me think that this is a Jantelov-issue .
What the heck is wrong with being full of yourself? If you've done something you are proud of and show your pride and joy to the world like he does, can you not be happy for him?
Instead of judging his feelings for a much younger woman, can you not smile at the fact that he has love?
Who cares if it lasts - don't kill love with predictions of lack of enduring quality.

Anyone who follows conformity because of the fear of standing out would of course be provoked by his behaviour, but I would think it would be fresh to see someone act the way they are and not try to be what the audience wants.

If he has always been a good boy, a nice boy and kept his wild sides secret out of fear of what the public would say, it is about time he comes out and shows who he is. Let him be a good example of the fact that a little crazyness does not ruin you, but can make your life funnier and make you stronger...

Im with u

[chewysmom]

I have NEVER liked tom Cruise. Even as a 16 year old going to see Top Gun, i could never see the lure. He is a freak. No common sense. I also think it's strange to get "engaged" to a woman after 2 weeks when you have 2 kids at home. Do you even think his kids met her before they were "engaged"? I also have a funny story. Maybe you have heard it before: Apparently, TC and Rob Thomas were found in bed together by Rob Thomas' wife. She threatened to go public and was paid off. TC's people then conducted some blitz interviews with young actresses to be his "girlfriend" so that they can also raise their profile. 5 million was offered to the girl. Jessica Alba was first pick. Katie Holmes was D-List but she took the bait. It's something like 3 years, $5million and an engagement/wedding. Clearly this relationship is fake. Even their body language is weird. Women do not put THEIR arms around men, no matter how tall they are. I am tall and Big Daddy is only 3 inches taller than me and HE always his arm around me. i don't know who's worse, him or her.

[centralnewyorki]

Originally Posted by PinkMartini

When he has a uterus and gives birth to a child then I'll give him my attention when he talkes about PPD

Absolutely. What right does he have to criticize other people's actions?

He can act however he wants, but he does not have the right to insult anyone else. What Brooke Sheilds went through is something that many other women have gone through and been too embarrassed to talk about it. She took a huge step to open up the lines of communication on an issue that needs to be addressed. Women with post-pardum depression feel alone and feel like they're the only ones going through this disease because it was not talked about much before. Many women didn't talk about their experiences because it made them look like a bad mother or a bad woman. Tom Cruise insulting her for using medications could have been a huge set-back in the progression of helping women deal with this disease. I'm proud of B.S. for speaking back against him. People can argue that Brooke Sheilds opened herself up to criticism by going public with her struggle, but she didn't go public to gain publicity for a movie/project- she did it to help other women. What would people say if a well-known woman criticized Lance Armstrong for his actions during his battle with testicular cancer?! There would have been an uproar. (Not to mention that it's no one else's business) I can tolerate Tom Cruise acting like and idiot while proclaiming his love for someone, but I have no tolerance for his actions during the whole PPD drama. I wouldn't consider him "funny" for his actions in this instance, just crazy (and a few other choice words.)

[kewtee]

Originally Posted by centralnewyorki

Absolutely. What right does he have to criticize other people's actions?

He can act however he wants, but he does not have the right to insult anyone else. What Brooke Sheilds went through is something that many other women have gone through and been too embarrassed to talk about it. She took a huge step to open up the lines of communication on an issue that needs to be addressed. Women with post-pardum depression feel alone and feel like they're the only ones going through this disease because it was not talked about much before. Many women didn't talk about their experiences because it made them look like a bad mother or a bad woman. Tom Cruise insulting her for using medications could have been a huge set-back in the progression of helping women deal with this disease. I'm proud of B.S. for speaking back against him. People can argue that Brooke Sheilds opened herself up to criticism by going public with her struggle, but she didn't go public to gain publicity for a movie/project- she did it to help other women. What would people say if a well-known woman criticized Lance Armstrong for his actions during his battle with testicular cancer?! There would have been an uproar. (Not to mention that it's no one else's business) I can tolerate Tom Cruise acting like and idiot while proclaiming his love for someone, but I have no tolerance for his actions during the whole PPD drama. I wouldn't consider him "funny" for his actions in this instance, just crazy (and a few other choice words.)

Sorry, but as I said I haven't seen all the TV about celebrities, as it interests me not at all.
But the example you mention has nothing to do with his love for the girl and you have to keep those things seperate. You have to judge every person on every act and not let one act judge the person, because if you do, none of us are acceptable.

On a sidenote I can tell that postbirth depression is something that means a lot to you - maybe you had one or you know someone who had one and I think it is SO great that you stand up for that course! Thank you!
I too think it is SO important that we learn to talk about our feelings, not only when we are pregnant and sick, but always

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by kewtee

Ok, I haven't seen all the TV you have, but your posts make me think that this is a Jantelov-issue .
What the heck is wrong with being full of yourself? If you've done something you are proud of and show your pride and joy to the world like he does, can you not be happy for him?
Instead of judging his feelings for a much younger woman, can you not smile at the fact that he has love?
Who cares if it lasts - don't kill love with predictions of lack of enduring quality.

Anyone who follows conformity because of the fear of standing out would of course be provoked by his behaviour, but I would think it would be fresh to see someone act the way they are and not try to be what the audience wants.

If he has always been a good boy, a nice boy and kept his wild sides secret out of fear of what the public would say, it is about time he comes out and shows who he is. Let him be a good example of the fact that a little crazyness does not ruin you, but can make your life funnier and make you stronger...

I personally think there is NOTHING wrong w/ his relationship with Katie Holmes. However, I think his behavior re: Brooke Shields is disgraceful.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by PinkMartini

I can not STAND Tom Cruise. He's an arrogant idiot. When he has a uterus and gives birth to a child then I'll give him my attention when he talkes about PPD

I agree. It would be like me saying that men are big babies when they get hit in the groin because it doesn't really hurt. How the heck would I know that? I'm not a man. How would I know what it feels like?

[centralnewyorki]

Originally Posted by kewtee

Sorry, but as I said I haven't seen all the TV about celebrities, as it interests me not at all.
But the example you mention has nothing to do with his love for the girl and you have to keep those things seperate. You have to judge every person on every act and not let one act judge the person, because if you do, none of us are acceptable.

On a sidenote I can tell that postbirth depression is something that means a lot to you - maybe you had one or you know someone who had one and I think it is SO great that you stand up for that course! Thank you!
I too think it is SO important that we learn to talk about our feelings, not only when we are pregnant and sick, but always

I'm not sure I follow you. I said that he could act however he wants (i.e. his relationship with Katie Holmes), but doesn't have the right to criticize other people. I'm not judging him for his relationship, I'm judging him because he thinks he's better or smarter than another person and feels that he can publicly judge this person.

However, IMO, the person who loves the girl is the same person who criticizes a woman for treating a disease with medication. We can only hope that Katie Holmes, for her own sake, is as perfect as can be. I haven't had PPD, nor has anyone I know, but I find it disgraceful that a man could act like this- he is the furthest person from being an expert on this subject.

[kewtee]

I'm not sure I follow you. I said that he could act however he wants (i.e. his relationship with Katie Holmes), but doesn't have the right to criticize other people. I'm not judging him for his relationship, I'm judging him because he thinks he's better or smarter than another person and feels that he can publicly judge this person.

Ah ok! I thought we were on the same subject

I haven't heard anything about his love for Katie Holmes (other than what YT'ers have written here) or Brooke Shields pregnancy, so I can't really say anything spicifically to that subject...sorry...

[Sherry Lynn]

Originally Posted by kewtee

Ah ok! I thought we were on the same subject

I haven't heard anything about his love for Katie Holmes (other than what YT'ers have written here) or Brooke Shields pregnancy, so I can't really say anything spicifically to that subject...sorry...

Okay, Kewtee, here's what I've culled from the situation....

Tom has been very vocal in our media lately saying that there is no such thing as Post Partum Depression (specifically commented on Brooke Shields who openly discusses having suffered it) or chemical imbalance. He feels that people don't need the drugs used for depression and other mental problems. That they are just week individuals. Or something like that.

Just ask anyone (or the families of anyone) with a history of depression, mental illness or PPD and you'll hear a different opinion.

I think what most people (myself included) dislike is Tom's stubborn insistance that he is right - and the way he rudely reacted to one of America's favorite newsmen, Matt Lauer. IMHO he just appeared to be a pompous, opinonated a** that doesn't allow others to have a point of view.

As some one with family members and close friends who have suffered from both depression and PPD - and were fortunate enough to get help - he struck a nerve with me.

A lot of women and mental health advocates are up in arms now. How many people won't seek treatment because of his comments??? I was indifferent to him before, but now he is less than nothing to me. I'll extend my right to switch the channel...

So now I'll get off my soap box. LOL

Oh yeah, he gets really crazy on American TV dragging around his young girlfriend while there are many rumours that he is gay and she is just a beard. But I couldn't care less about that part.

he he he It's always all about me...

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by Sherry Lynn

A lot of women and mental health advocates are up in arms now. How many people won't seek treatment because of his comments???

I agree 100%!! What if his comment hinders women from seeking help and they end up hurting themselves (and their family) or committing suicide? A lot of people look at him as a role model and in my opinion, he has set (especially recently) a very bad example.

[kewtee]

It is very bold of him to state that you don't need medication for depression. It is true that now - and this is VERY new - scientist are talking about the fact that not letting your feelings out for many years will cause depression - also the postbirth.
Those types of depressions can be cured with therapy where you learn to deal with your feelings instead of hiding them.
However I have a hard time imagining Tom Cruise knowing anything about this and my first guess would be that he knows this a huge modern day dicease and he is advertising Scientology as a cure: "Look at me, I am happy, you can be happy too - join now!"

But there still are some depressions that are fysical and they need to be treated with drugs, especially because some of the victims have suicide thoughts. But medication can never stand alone when treating depressions. It is of the very most importancy to have therapy on the side or the drugs will just numb the person for a while. Learning to live with a depression is as important as learning to live with being an alcoholic. (Apart from that there are no comparison between the 2 problems)

The latest I heard in research of these things was that people who have depressions are prone to cancer and now some german scientists are examinig the possibility that not dealing with your emotions/feelings can lead to cancer in the long run...

My own experince is that most of the depressions I have had in my clinic is treatable with psychotherapy - learning to deal with your emotions. But app. 3 out of 10 is referred to the doctor because it is fysical.

[Sherry Lynn]

Originally Posted by kewtee

However I have a hard time imagining Tom Cruise knowing anything about this and my first guess would be that he knows this a huge modern day dicease and he is advertising Scientology as a cure: "Look at me, I am happy, you can be happy too - join now!"

Obviously, this is your field of expertise. I didn't know that when I posted.

[miezzi]

Originally Posted by kewtee

It is very bold of him to state that you don't need medication for depression. It is true that now - and this is VERY new - scientist are talking about the fact that not letting your feelings out for many years will cause depression - also the postbirth.
Those types of depressions can be cured with therapy where you learn to deal with your feelings instead of hiding them.
However I have a hard time imagining Tom Cruise knowing anything about this and my first guess would be that he knows this a huge modern day dicease and he is advertising Scientology as a cure: "Look at me, I am happy, you can be happy too - join now!"

But there still are some depressions that are fysical and they need to be treated with drugs, especially because some of the victims have suicide thoughts. But medication can never stand alone when treating depressions. It is of the very most importancy to have therapy on the side or the drugs will just numb the person for a while. Learning to live with a depression is as important as learning to live with being an alcoholic. (Apart from that there are no comparison between the 2 problems)

The latest I heard in research of these things was that people who have depressions are prone to cancer and now some german scientists are examinig the possibility that not dealing with your emotions/feelings can lead to cancer in the long run...

My own experince is that most of the depressions I have had in my clinic is treatable with psychotherapy - learning to deal with your emotions. But app. 3 out of 10 is referred to the doctor because it is fysical.

I really do wish you could have seen the interview he did on the Today Show with Matt Lauer. It was almost like he was attacking Matt Lauer for being glim and not knowing/understanding psychiatry the way HE does. Cruise kept saying-MAtt- you don't know anyting about these drugs like the way I do... and so on and soo on. One thing I did agree on that he said was that there are too many children on medications who probably should not be, but to say there really issn't such a thing as depression, blows my mind. And during the interview, anytime Lauer asked a legit question, Cruise would just attack him with harsh words, and tell him he was wrong. And Cruise basically stated that any sickness including depression could be TREATED with vitamins. And also kept saying- Matt I have done my homework on this and you have not- there for you don't understand like I do.

Kewtee---You really do sound like you know what you are talking about. And you talk about in a very proffesional and respectful way. The way Cruise talked about was only his Scientology opinion and very disrespectful. Depression is a sickness just like heart disease and cancer- and someone would never belittle them for taking medications to treat the problem. As with Bi-polar, and scitsofrenia. (I apologize for the butchered spelling!)

[Bruce's_Mom]

Clearly Mr. Cruise fancies himself as some sort of MD/Pharmacologist, funny it is that from all accounts he is described as a functional illiterate until well after high school and has never had any form of post secondary education...However, this is what always happens to follks when they get involved in wacko cults, they get so convinced of things they lose their ability to reason and or act with tact. Really I just feel sorry for him, more sorry for Katie Holmes!