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crystalsmom 09-21-2007 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by alex_143 (Post 1384710)
where would i be able to find a yorkie thats related to that first yorkie Huddersfield Ben???
Just got in. In one way or another they all go back to him but since he was born in 1865 that's a long way back.

One of the more recent but good old lines you might look for in a pedigree would be the Wildwier Kennels of Leslie Gordon Jr and Janet E Bennett....I think one of these women is deceased but not sure which one.

Mardelin 09-21-2007 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1385001)
Just received my YT mag today, there is worth while articles for EVERYONE to read...

"The making of a show puppy" by Doreen Hubbard

as well there "Number two" by Janet Jackson

discussing that yorkie is #2 in the nation and the revision of the standard.

one small excerpt; Yorkshire Terrier must always have the pattern described in the standard and never comes in "rare gold" "solid blue" "chocolate and tan" "parti" or any other new and different color.
Great acticle by Janet/YTCA President. She explains the DQ well.

Mardelin 09-21-2007 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 1385075)
Just got in. In one way or another they all go back to him but since he was born in 1865 that's a long way back.

One of the more recent but good old lines you might look for in a pedigree would be the Wildwier Kennels of Leslie Gordon Jr and Janet E Bennett....I think one of these women is deceased but not sure which one.
Ms Bennett is the one that is deceased. The Sisters were at the forefront of establishing the Yorkshire Terrier as it is today. They bothed worked hard for the breed and the establishment of the YTCA

Mardelin 09-21-2007 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 1385056)
What do they mean by "rare gold" is that the redish gold??
What Janet is describing are terms used by breeders geared toward the unsuspecting public to obtain big $$$$$$$$ for those yorkies that have coats other than what is described in the standard. Don't read into it anymore that what it is and advertising ploy.

crystalsmom 09-21-2007 05:31 PM
Got Ya!! Thanks. Years ago so many talked about the quality of the gold breaking on a pup and not as much the steel blue on the body as I remember anyway and I thought people were calling a fad color of gold 'rare gold'. I pretty much question anything with that four letter word in front of it.;) except maybe antiques (like me):D

JeanieK 09-21-2007 06:53 PM
How do you fell about parti colored yorkies?


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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380778)
I think Livi is adorable! I think of Biewers differently than I think of other faulted colors, because they are being developed into their own breed. They're pretty dogs, and I'd love to see them recognized as their own breed in the AKC one day.

MyFairLacy 09-21-2007 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1385696)
How do you fell about parti colored yorkies?
Well, since you asked...I think they're very cute, and I love to look at pictures of the different coat patterns. There are members on YT that have some very pretty partis. They are a disqualified color though so I don't think they should intentionally be bred. But if one happens to show up in a litter, it should be spayed/neutered and placed in a wonderful pet home. I wouldn't be opposed though to the Partis becoming their own breed like the Biewers or even becoming American-bred Biewers or something. I just hate to see the Yorkshire Terrier deviate from the traditional colors. I think those that are passionate about the alternate colors should work to make them their own breed if they want them recognized. I just don't see the YTCA ever allowing Partis or other colors to be shown.

JeanieK 09-21-2007 07:05 PM
So then how are others supposed to get into breeding if the show breeders insist that the ones they sell be spayed or neutered, because they are not show quality. I believe that is the point that Co-yorkie-momma is getting at when she said they are between a rock and a hard place.




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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380908)
I think they have them spayed and neutered because they had faults and wouldn't do well in the ring. So since they wouldn't be beneficial to their breeding program because of the faults, they place them in pet homes. And they spay and neuter them so that the owners won't breed dogs with faults.

Mardelin 09-21-2007 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1385720)
Well, since you asked...I think they're very cute, and I love to look at pictures of the different coat patterns. There are members on YT that have some very pretty partis. They are a disqualified color though so I don't think they should intentionally be bred. But if one happens to show up in a litter, it should be spayed/neutered and placed in a wonderful pet home. I wouldn't be opposed though to the Partis becoming their own breed like the Biewers or even becoming American-bred Biewers or something. I just hate to see the Yorkshire Terrier deviate from the traditional colors. I think those that are passionate about the alternate colors should work to make them their own breed if they want them recognized. I just don't see the YTCA ever allowing Partis or other colors to be shown.

Great article by Janet Jackson in the current YT Magazine on the incorrect colored patterned dogs and the disqualification in the standard.

yorkiekist 09-21-2007 07:09 PM
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Cant wait to get my magazine!! Janet is so knowledgeble and has wonderful dogs. I bet some of the "old time breeder/exhibitors" that worked so hard at this breed are spinning in their graves and all these designer colors being purposely produced.

MyFairLacy 09-21-2007 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1385727)
So then how are others supposed to get into breeding if the show breeders insist that the ones they sell be spayed or neutered, because they are not show quality. I believe that is the point that Co-yorkie-momma is getting at when she said they are between a rock and a hard place.
But the thing is, there are a lot of breeder (not show breeders) that are purposely breeding Partis right now. So if all of those breeder that are breeding partis work to form a standard like the Biewers did, then you could create your own Club and potentially have them recognized as their own breed.

Mardelin 09-21-2007 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1385735)
Cant wait to get my magazine!! Janet is so knowledgeble and has wonderful dogs. I bet some of the "old time breeder/exhibitors" that worked so hard at this breed are spinning in their graves and all these designer colors being purposely produced.
That's why the DQ was voted for by the YTCA Members

JeanieK 09-21-2007 07:14 PM
Yup that is what I get out of the conversation also.

It appears to me that many, not all, show breeders have the attitude that the rest of us lowly people are not fit to be breeders. And they aren't about to let the rest of us in to thier clique.

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Originally Posted by kelsie123186 (Post 1381148)
so basically based on the majority of posters i am just SOL if I want to coincider breeding? I mean, this is what I am gathering from the posts...
1.If I want to breed I should not do it unless I get a show quality yorkie
2.Show breeders keep their show quality pups for themselves....
Im not trying to be rude but i really dont get it... I would really like to hear how the breeders (that believe you should only breed show quality yorkies) got into breeding/showing... I mean, like someone else said... its really like you are in between a rock and a hard place.... I dunno... like i said, i would really like to hear how the people that only breed show quality got into it all in the first place.

CO_yorkie_momma 09-21-2007 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1385727)
So then how are others supposed to get into breeding if the show breeders insist that the ones they sell be spayed or neutered, because they are not show quality. I believe that is the point that Co-yorkie-momma is getting at when she said they are between a rock and a hard place.
Yes Jeannie that was the point I tried to make. I dont understand how it is bettering the breed to breed for your next show dog and spaying or neurtering all of the rest of the dogs in the litter that are up to standard and some would even be considered show quality too. If the dogs are unable to breed, how do you better the breed with them?????
I know it is about protecting the lines and not letting them get in the hands of unethical breeders and I understand that.

MyFairLacy 09-21-2007 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1385754)
Yup that is what I get out of the conversation also.

It appears to me that many, not all, show breeders have the attitude that the rest of us lowly people are not fit to be breeders. And they aren't about to let the rest of us in to thier clique.
I don't think they have the attitude that others aren't fit to be breeders. It's that they LOVE their breed and want to breed to the highest standard possible.


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