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MaryLee · 09-18-2007, 12:04 PM

Does anyone here have a F1, F2 etc or a Biewer registered with this association. Is it a legitimate association?

Thanks,

Mary

diggy4 · 09-18-2007, 01:14 PM

I know nothing about it.....Users you might want to ask Aprillove, scrappindee Jeanie K Pinehaven TammyJm I think all own a Biewer or Parti they may be able to help.....

Yorkiekids · 09-18-2007, 02:34 PM

Scrapindee knows a lot about Biewers. You might want to ask her or Kathy785.

scrapindee · 09-18-2007, 06:45 PM

I don't know where F1, F2s are registered. Some clubs are limiting themselves to their own local registeries.

Full Biewers that I breed are registered with IBC, the Internation Biewer Club in Germany. Until we get recognized by AKC, I will continue to follow through with this registry. This continues the practice and the pedigrees through 5 & 6 generations, important if you are planning to bred a puppy you purchase.

kathy785 · 09-18-2007, 08:01 PM

If you are thinking of purchasing a Biewer from someone in the US, you may want to make sure it is registered with the IBC. The IBC is one of the largest clubs in Germany for the Biewers. They have told people that if puppies born in the US are not registered with them, they will not honor or register any of the resulting offspring. There are also "registries" popping up in the US that are for Biewers only. These are not worth the paper they are printed on.

MyFairLacy · 09-18-2007, 08:40 PM

What's an F1 and an F2? I know they mean first and second generation, but I thought that applied to cross-breeds? As in first cross of a Maltese and a yorkie would result in an F1: 1/2yorkie and 1/2maltese. Then 2 F1s are bred to make an F2 generation. So how does that apply to Biewers if they are their own breed?

kathy785 · 09-18-2007, 08:48 PM

An F1 is a yorkie with a Biewer (many consider Biewers a separate breed, even though they are yorkies). All of the babies will carry one piebald (Biewer) gene and one regular yorkie gene. They will ALL look like regular yorkies.
F2 is an F1 breed to a Biewer. Some puppies will be Biewers (2 piebald genes) and some will look like regular yorkies (one piebald gene and one regular yorkie gene)
Most Biewer people do not use the terms F1, F2, etc. I have two girls that I call Splitters (their genes are split, 1 piebald gene, 1 regular yorkie gene). It does not matter if they are F1, F2, or F58, a splitter only 1 piebald gene and 1 regular yorkie gene.
Right now I have no intentions of breeding to a yorkie that is not a splitter. I won't say never though, as who knows what the future will bring. "Never" can make you into a lier!!!

Toby'sMama · 09-19-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kathy785

If you are thinking of purchasing a Biewer from someone in the US, you may want to make sure it is registered with the IBC. The IBC is one of the largest clubs in Germany for the Biewers. They have told people that if puppies born in the US are not registered with them, they will not honor or register any of the resulting offspring. There are also "registries" popping up in the US that are for Biewers only. These are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Just to clear up some misconceptions here... although I am not familiar with what the BYA stands for -- in order to draw your own conclusions, you should go to their site and read...

You will find many people who say the IBC is the only acceptable registry. Number one... the IBC is NOT a registry -- it is a Biewer Club. There are many registries in Germany that accept the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier, and they all acknowledge and accept each other's registry. There are registries in the U.S. as well, which have been started to "register" the Biewers that are born in the U.S., in order to keep track of the lines here. Out of the five Biewer Clubs in the U.S., four of them have started registries, and I'm sure these Clubs do not feel it's a "worthless" piece of paper. When a new breed is starting out in a new country, it's important to keep track of bloodlines. Isn't this what happened when the Yorkshire Terrier came to the United States? In order to get breed acceptance, there must be records kept.

I know that the BNR has been validated by both the IABCA and the NAKC and are allowed to show using this registry. These are the only show venues that the Biewers are allowed to show in in the United States at this time.

For the Original Poster, I would suggest you check out a couple of great club websites and do some further research if you have any concerns... www.bytnc.org and www.biewerbci.org

kathy785 · 09-19-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby'sMama

Just to clear up some misconceptions here... although I am not familiar with what the BYA stands for -- in order to draw your own conclusions, you should go to their site and read...

You will find many people who say the IBC is the only acceptable registry. Number one... the IBC is NOT a registry -- it is a Biewer Club. There are many registries in Germany that accept the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier, and they all acknowledge and accept each other's registry. There are registries in the U.S. as well, which have been started to "register" the Biewers that are born in the U.S., in order to keep track of the lines here. Out of the five Biewer Clubs in the U.S., four of them have started registries, and I'm sure these Clubs do not feel it's a "worthless" piece of paper. When a new breed is starting out in a new country, it's important to keep track of bloodlines. Isn't this what happened when the Yorkshire Terrier came to the United States? In order to get breed acceptance, there must be records kept.

I know that the BNR has been validated by both the IABCA and the NAKC and are allowed to show using this registry. These are the only show venues that the Biewers are allowed to show in in the United States at this time.

For the Original Poster, I would suggest you check out a couple of great club websites and do some further research if you have any concerns... www.bytnc.org and www.biewerbci.org

I believe I did say that the IBC is a CLUB. (like AKC is more than just a registry, it is a club!) I still believe that the Biewers need to be registered in GERMANY until they are accepted by AKC. The IBC will NOT honor US born dogs not registered with them, so you cannot say that the German registries all honor the other registries. (Yes, some of the German registries are just that, they are not clubs) People looking into purchasing a Biewer need to know these facts. I do know that the IABCA and NAKC are accepting the American registries, but I have also been told that I could start my own Biewer registry and they would accept that too. Now tell me what good would the KMTBR be to anyone??? Yes, we need to keep track of our lineages, but to say that the American registries are the way to go is also misleading people. The registries here in the US are basically for one purpose only, To obtain the needed information to gain AKC acceptance.

I have also been told, but not tried it out yet that ACA, UABR, and APRI will allow the Biewers to be shown (by representatives of these clubs)

There are several Biewer clubs here in the US and I have sent people to all of the different web pages, whether I agree with them or not. There are people here on YT that can verify that I have sent them web addresses for the different clubs. Each person needs to decide for themself if they want to even belong to a club and if so which one. Sad to say that because of the bickering they could probably belong to only one club and not have multiple memberships. I can see that you are biased as you only put 2 of the addresses down for the US clubs. What about letting them check out the other ones too?
http://biewer-btca.com/
http://www.geocities.com/bieweryorkieassociation/
People need to take note of the members' lists on the clubs' sites. I did belong to one of the clubs that Toby'sMama gave, but their membership has been rapidly dropping. I would not belong to a club that changed its rules to suit the president, treated members unfairly, and were dishonest. That is not how I wanted to be known, so I could not stay a member with a clear conscience. I chose to not belong to any group, but I have been searching for a US Biewer club that will be honest and treat its members with respect.

MaryLee · 09-20-2007, 06:09 AM

Thank all of you for responding. This is great information.

Mary

diggy4 · 09-20-2007, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kathy785

An F1 is a yorkie with a Biewer (many consider Biewers a separate breed, even though they are yorkies). All of the babies will carry one piebald (Biewer) gene and one regular yorkie gene. They will ALL look like regular yorkies.
F2 is an F1 breed to a Biewer. Some puppies will be Biewers (2 piebald genes) and some will look like regular yorkies (one piebald gene and one regular yorkie gene)
Most Biewer people do not use the terms F1, F2, etc. I have two girls that I call Splitters (their genes are split, 1 piebald gene, 1 regular yorkie gene). It does not matter if they are F1, F2, or F58, a splitter only 1 piebald gene and 1 regular yorkie gene.
Right now I have no intentions of breeding to a yorkie that is not a splitter. I won't say never though, as who knows what the future will bring. "Never" can make you into a lier!!!

VERY informative! So would the same hold true with Parti's? I was told splitter is a term used in Biewer lines and carrier is used in Parti lines....So essentially they are the same thing just different words or terms?

both mean a yorkie that has the pie bald gene?

kathy785 · 09-20-2007, 02:02 PM

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VERY informative! So would the same hold true with Parti's? I was told splitter is a term used in Biewer lines and carrier is used in Parti lines....So essentially they are the same thing just different words or terms
both mean a yorkie that has the pie bald gene?

I would say so.

BamaFan121s · 09-20-2007, 02:26 PM

To the OP...I would recommend you do your homework on the breed if you are considering adding a Biewer in the future. As you can tell, the Biewer world is full of drama at the current moment, so it may be wise to research away from these boards as well, sadly, to find an unbiased and influenced answer.
I hope I can say and it can be agreed on that there are several registries here in the US at the current moment--all of whom claim to be keeping very in depth records in an attempt to have the breed recognized by the AKC, and/or to help promote the breed, which is still fairly new and low in numbers. Some place more emphasis and importance on future AKC recognition, some place more on continuing the registration in Germany and everyone believes that the club/registry/board/whatever that THEY belong to is in the right. I will remain optomistic that the passion felt by all sides will be beneficial in the end in helping this breed along.
In the end, you will have to decide what it is that YOU are looking for and feel comfortable with. Make sure that any breeders you consider can trace their lines and provide proof that the dogs are what they claim to be. As long as they can do that, provide proof that the dogs are healthy and disease free, it doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference (IMO) who's piece of paper it is written on.
Good luck! You are bound to need it!

scrapindee · 09-20-2007, 09:31 PM

I do think it is important what piece of papers you are getting from the breeder you purchase from. Everyone needs to do their homework.

I will continue to register my dogs with IBC. My puppies have their registrations with IBC. If puppy buyers are okay with American registeries only, that is their decision. And buyers should not be paying for registering their puppies. JMHO.

Yorkiekids · 09-21-2007, 04:56 AM

I don't understand how you can decide to make up a registry. Don't you have to go through someone to decide if it's ok, or is it like the CKC, anyone can just join. My Biewer is registered by the IBC, and seeing as that's where Biewers first came from I would equate them to the AKC or UKC. JMO

09-18-2007, 12:04 PM	#1
MaryLee Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 50	Biewer Yorkie Association Does anyone here have a F1, F2 etc or a Biewer registered with this association. Is it a legitimate association? Thanks, Mary

09-18-2007, 01:14 PM	#2
diggy4 Bella Boo & Diggy Too! Donating GS Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Detroit Posts: 6,156 Blog Entries: 5	I know nothing about it.....Users you might want to ask Aprillove, scrappindee Jeanie K Pinehaven TammyJm I think all own a Biewer or Parti they may be able to help..... __________________ ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN

09-18-2007, 02:34 PM	#3
Yorkiekids Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida Posts: 14,495	Scrapindee knows a lot about Biewers. You might want to ask her or Kathy785. __________________ Susan, Piper ,Harley & Suiki

09-18-2007, 06:45 PM	#4
scrapindee Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redlands Posts: 4,842 Blog Entries: 2	I don't know where F1, F2s are registered. Some clubs are limiting themselves to their own local registeries. Full Biewers that I breed are registered with IBC, the Internation Biewer Club in Germany. Until we get recognized by AKC, I will continue to follow through with this registry. This continues the practice and the pedigrees through 5 & 6 generations, important if you are planning to bred a puppy you purchase. __________________ Scrapindee--Team Furry & the Biewers www.houseofwags.com

09-18-2007, 08:40 PM	#6
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	What's an F1 and an F2? I know they mean first and second generation, but I thought that applied to cross-breeds? As in first cross of a Maltese and a yorkie would result in an F1: 1/2yorkie and 1/2maltese. Then 2 F1s are bred to make an F2 generation. So how does that apply to Biewers if they are their own breed? __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

09-18-2007, 08:01 PM	#5
kathy785 BANNED! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 607	If you are thinking of purchasing a Biewer from someone in the US, you may want to make sure it is registered with the IBC. The IBC is one of the largest clubs in Germany for the Biewers. They have told people that if puppies born in the US are not registered with them, they will not honor or register any of the resulting offspring. There are also "registries" popping up in the US that are for Biewers only. These are not worth the paper they are printed on.

09-18-2007, 08:48 PM	#7
kathy785 BANNED! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 607	An F1 is a yorkie with a Biewer (many consider Biewers a separate breed, even though they are yorkies). All of the babies will carry one piebald (Biewer) gene and one regular yorkie gene. They will ALL look like regular yorkies. F2 is an F1 breed to a Biewer. Some puppies will be Biewers (2 piebald genes) and some will look like regular yorkies (one piebald gene and one regular yorkie gene) Most Biewer people do not use the terms F1, F2, etc. I have two girls that I call Splitters (their genes are split, 1 piebald gene, 1 regular yorkie gene). It does not matter if they are F1, F2, or F58, a splitter only 1 piebald gene and 1 regular yorkie gene. Right now I have no intentions of breeding to a yorkie that is not a splitter. I won't say never though, as who knows what the future will bring. "Never" can make you into a lier!!!

09-20-2007, 06:09 AM	#10
MaryLee Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 50	Thank all of you for responding. This is great information. Mary

09-20-2007, 02:26 PM	#13
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	To the OP...I would recommend you do your homework on the breed if you are considering adding a Biewer in the future. As you can tell, the Biewer world is full of drama at the current moment, so it may be wise to research away from these boards as well, sadly, to find an unbiased and influenced answer. I hope I can say and it can be agreed on that there are several registries here in the US at the current moment--all of whom claim to be keeping very in depth records in an attempt to have the breed recognized by the AKC, and/or to help promote the breed, which is still fairly new and low in numbers. Some place more emphasis and importance on future AKC recognition, some place more on continuing the registration in Germany and everyone believes that the club/registry/board/whatever that THEY belong to is in the right. I will remain optomistic that the passion felt by all sides will be beneficial in the end in helping this breed along. In the end, you will have to decide what it is that YOU are looking for and feel comfortable with. Make sure that any breeders you consider can trace their lines and provide proof that the dogs are what they claim to be. As long as they can do that, provide proof that the dogs are healthy and disease free, it doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference (IMO) who's piece of paper it is written on. Good luck! You are bound to need it! Last edited by BamaFan121s; 09-20-2007 at 02:30 PM.

09-20-2007, 09:31 PM	#14
scrapindee Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redlands Posts: 4,842 Blog Entries: 2	I do think it is important what piece of papers you are getting from the breeder you purchase from. Everyone needs to do their homework. I will continue to register my dogs with IBC. My puppies have their registrations with IBC. If puppy buyers are okay with American registeries only, that is their decision. And buyers should not be paying for registering their puppies. JMHO. __________________ Scrapindee--Team Furry & the Biewers www.houseofwags.com

09-21-2007, 04:56 AM	#15
Yorkiekids Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida Posts: 14,495	I don't understand how you can decide to make up a registry. Don't you have to go through someone to decide if it's ok, or is it like the CKC, anyone can just join. My Biewer is registered by the IBC, and seeing as that's where Biewers first came from I would equate them to the AKC or UKC. JMO __________________ Susan, Piper ,Harley & Suiki