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feminvstr 09-18-2007 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1377394)
It surprised me also...I know they don't achieve that until adult hood and I was surprised at the judge who said it too! When the head on a puppy breaks you see white and the judge said he'd DQ it because it's white according to what the standard will say when it goes into affect. AGAIN, I know it's not what the new DQ means but if one judge interputs that way how many other judges will?
Donna

The interpretation is the key, color should not be a DQ on a pup from 6-18 months, once they enter into open is when IMHO DQ should be inforced, unless of course it is rather obvious the pup will never attain a true steel blue coat (breaking too light on the back). Also the "wavey" will be interesting many take the wraps out ring side, brush them out without ironing, the coat appears wavey when indeed its not, when being shown.

Brooklynn 09-18-2007 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1377494)
The interpretation is the key, color should not be a DQ on a pup from 6-18 months, once they enter into open is when IMHO DQ should be inforced, unless of course it is rather obvious the pup will never attain a true steel blue coat (breaking too light on the back). Also the "wavey" will be interesting many take the wraps out ring side, brush them out without ironing, the coat appears wavey when indeed its not, when being shown.

I agree, again this is what the judge told a friend of mine this past weekend guess we'll see what happens!

YorkieRose 09-18-2007 12:41 PM
color
 
I had a male who was being shown by my handler..he was in the 9mo to 12 at a Specialty...he had a super nice gold, but rather quite dark saddle. The judge asked my handler if she was sure the color would change and she told him who the sire was and of course he would be steel blue at maturity ..so he won his class..BUT he never attained proper color to suit me and was retired...I figured it made things a bit even for the times my truly blues were overlooked for a black...

yorkiekist 09-18-2007 05:17 PM
colors re: AKC
 
I just got back an e-mail from AKC reguarding colors. "The YTCA approved these alternant colors for regstration but have not changed the standard eligibility for the show ring. Any concerns reguarding these colors should be directed th the YTCA as they are the legislators of their breed standard. "

FYi Lynn

txshopper73 09-18-2007 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1378334)
I just got back an e-mail from AKC reguarding colors. "The YTCA approved these alternant colors for regstration but have not changed the standard eligibility for the show ring. Any concerns reguarding these colors should be directed th the YTCA as they are the legislators of their breed standard. "

FYi Lynn
hmmm...more or less what in posted in post #1.

yorkiekist 09-18-2007 06:52 PM
sorry
 
Sorry, I must have mis-read the post.

Brooklynn 09-18-2007 06:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1378581)
hmmm...more or less what in posted in post #1.

YTCA does not recognize Liver or parti's AKC might have an alternate number but the YTCA "does not" recognize those colors in it's standard.

txshopper73 09-18-2007 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1378598)
YTCA does not recognize Liver or parti's AKC might have an alternate number but the YTCA "does not" recognize those colors in it's standard.
Well then why would AKC respond with this e-mail posted below...I understand that the YTCA only allows steel blue and tan for show and not other colors or variation of colors. Maybe I should say that according to what AKC said in this e-mail, the YTCA permits the use of other colors...may not recognize them as you say, but permits them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1375147)

The Yorkshire Terrier Club of America permits the use of Liver, Tan, Liver & Tan, Chocolate & Tan, as well as the four standard colors in registration of the Yorkshire Terrier. They also allow the Markings code for Parti-color.

The only colors acceptable for the show ring are Blue & Gold or Blue &
Tan.


Please feel free to contact me if I can be of any further help.
Karla Deithorn,
Special Services

yorkiekist 09-18-2007 07:03 PM
color
 
I just poste what akC e-mailed me. Im not trying to argumentative, but isnt it the same thing that you just said?

txshopper73 09-18-2007 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1378615)
I just poste what akC e-mailed me. Im not trying to argumentative, but isnt it the same thing that you just said?
What are you talking about? :confused: I'm the one that started the thread with a response that I received from AKC read post #1. You posted the reply you received from AKC in post #79 which more or less stated what the OP said.

I was responding to Brooklynn in post #83 so I seriously don't understand what you're getting at. Read between the two quotes above...Brooklynn is who I was talking to and was trying to get clarification from.

yorkiekist 09-18-2007 07:23 PM
Oooooops!!!
 
Sorry, my computer is acting up and I didnt see Brooklyns post as it wouldnt come up,!!?? Duh, no wonder I was confused!!! SORRY!!!! Lynn

txshopper73 09-19-2007 03:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1378647)
Sorry, my computer is acting up and I didnt see Brooklyns post as it wouldnt come up,!!?? Duh, no wonder I was confused!!! SORRY!!!! Lynn
HAHA! It's okay! I was just wondering and was sitting here scratching my head.:D

diggy4 09-19-2007 03:44 AM
Well I would like to thank you Txshopper for starting this...I think the goal here was to educate and I want to tell you I learned a lot! Good post and VERY informative! Thanks again.....

Also I have another question you may be able to answer....which club has the final say so on standard YTCA or AKC? Like if you were a breeder that showed, whose guidelines and standards do you thrive to meet?

Brooklynn 09-19-2007 03:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1378605)
Well then why would AKC respond with this e-mail posted below...I understand that the YTCA only allows steel blue and tan for show and not other colors or variation of colors. Maybe I should say that according to what AKC said in this e-mail, the YTCA permits the use of other colors...may not recognize them as you say, but permits them.
The only color's that YTCA recognizes is what is on the registration papers

Black/tan
blue/gold
Blue/tan

and the other one I don't have my papers in front of me. Liver/chocolate and parti's AKC may have an alternate color # but YTCA does not recognize those colors other than stated on the registration papers. The standard that YTCA sets forth is what breeders should strive for. Of course you will have the other colors stated on the registration application but to be true to the breed you strive for the dark steel blue and shaded tan. I'm not trying to argue but trying to educate on what needs to be the ultimate goal when owning/showing a yorkie and know the difference between someone that is striving for the standard and those that are trying to incorparate "money" into this breed which is an awesome breed :)
JMHO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers ;)

Sugar's Mom 09-19-2007 04:21 AM
So, as far as "registering" dogs, who has the final authority? YTCA or AKC. I always thought that YTCA just gives AKC "suggestions' so to speak but AKC is the governing body on ALL registrations.


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