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diggy4 09-19-2007 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1379248)
Would Nikkos be considered a well established line?
check your PM's :D

diggy4 09-19-2007 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1379287)
I'm sorry I haven't heard of those lines. My dogs go back to This Time, Pastoral, Aero, Durrer, Montclair, Rothby, NicNak. I don't have my line developed because I'm just really starting out and developing what I hope to be my lines one day. Great lines that my dogs have. I wish I knew more about Nikkos.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
Well i must be learning a little as I have heard of Durrer and Pastoral !!! Just in passing in here but i guess thats a start :)

Brooklynn 09-19-2007 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 1379276)
okay got ya, so I was thinking right then....well I shouldnt say "right" but along the same lines as you...I could careless if Bella was registered with Target, she is spayed, mine, and right from the get go I knew wayyyy to small to breed and I am simply a chicken, I'd never want to be the owner of the dam thats being bred....Ill leave that to you!! lol

I'd rather not breed but show instead LOL but in order to have show dogs you have to breed to the best of your ability. I love the showing aspect of this breed! That is where my passion lies! If I were to ever buy a pet from someone else but I don't need too since I do breed I wouldn't register myself but with breeding I register the litter and leave it up to the individual who adopts one of my babies but I place on a spay and neuter contract with limited registration. I give NO breeding rights unless it's for a show dog but I don't sell show dogs because I am still learning the ropes in breeding.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

TammyJM 09-19-2007 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1379248)
Would Nikkos be considered a well established line?
Sue~

Just wanted to say,"HI!"....also,good question about the the Nikko line. ;)

Tammy

Brooklynn 09-19-2007 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1379291)
I would say Nikko's is a well established line...the line is behind C.D.Higgins as I recall..correct me if I wrong...

I am still studying pedigrees and C.D. Higgins is from an old line which I'm not familiar with yet. Again, I'm still studying pedigrees and learning all I can about the ones my dogs have at this point. After I get those down then I start with the older pedigrees that had great lines! C.D. Higgins still holds the # of Best in Show record in yorkie history in the US then comes Oliver owned by Mary and breed by Kay. Oliver holds the # of Best in Speicalty Record in yorkie history in the US and is #2 Best in Show behind C.D. Higgins.
Some great yorkies they were and are!
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Sugar's Mom 09-19-2007 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1379017)
From what I've been told about AKC registering dogs is, if a pup is born out of two AKC registered dogs, the pup is eligible to be registered.

This is a breed registry, not a color registry, and even though a dog may be blue and tan, it may carry recessive genes that will produce something other than blue and tan.

that isn't what I am asking. it just seems that the tone here is that the YTCA tells the AKC what to do from a lot of these posts. That is why I am asking. I have had AKC registered dogs all my VERY LONG life and never heard of anyone else ever being able to tell them what to register. I am trying to sort all this out and you gals are a wealth of info.

Pinehaven 09-19-2007 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1379291)
I would say Nikko's is a well established line...the line is behind C.D.Higgins as I recall..correct me if I wrong...
Nikkos has been breeding and showing for approximately 40 years and there are numerous Nikkos champions. This is also the most prolific line of parti carriers and producers. I'm just trying to point out that no matter how careful you think you are, there still may be some genes in your dog that could pop up somewhere.

I'm just trying to educate people as well. I understand and respect the point of the show breeder but I'm trying open the eyes of all (or even one or two).

If parti is born out of some of the most respected show lines, why should the color of that dog make him any less a yorkie than his full sibling who's blue and tan. Same DNA, same mom and dad.

Same goes for Black and chocolate and golden. I'm especially saddened for the owners of Black coated dogs. Where they were once able to show and win they will now be DQ'd due to the new ruling.

Pinehaven 09-19-2007 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1379308)
Sue~

Just wanted to say,"HI!"....also,good question about the the Nikko line. ;)

Tammy

Hi Tammy ... Glad you're here!

Brooklynn 09-19-2007 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1379351)
that isn't what I am asking. it just seems that the tone here is that the YTCA tells the AKC what to do from a lot of these posts. That is why I am asking. I have had AKC registered dogs all my VERY LONG life and never heard of anyone else ever being able to tell them what to register. I am trying to sort all this out and you gals are a wealth of info.
The parent club writes the standard but AKC has to approve it and the parent club can make changes but AKC has to approve it. But once a change in the standard is made or considered it can't be done again for 5 years to my understanding. I will stand corrected if I am wrong. The YTCA tries to educate others on what the standard is and what should be followed by the standard! I hope this made sense.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Brooklynn 09-19-2007 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1379367)
Nikkos has been breeding and showing for approximately 40 years and there are numerous Nikkos champions. This is also the most prolific line of parti carriers and producers. I'm just trying to point out that no matter how careful you think you are, there still may be some genes in your dog that could pop up somewhere.

I'm just trying to educate people as well. I understand and respect the point of the show breeder but I'm trying open the eyes of all (or even one or two).

If parti is born out of some of the most respected show lines, why should the color of that dog make him any less a yorkie than his full sibling who's blue and tan. Same DNA, same mom and dad.

Same goes for Black and chocolate and golden. I'm especially saddened for the owners of Black coated dogs. Where they were once able to show and win they will now be DQ'd due to the new ruling.
The DQ only will be applied to any white no longer than an inch on the forechest or any other color on the head and body. Nothing is in the DQ about DQ'ing a black and tan yorkie, even tho in my opinion it shouldn't be shown it's not the standard. This was written to not let Parti's/Briewers to participate in the show ring in the yorkie breed if that is to my understanding. I will not get into a debate about the parti gene as I do not know enough about it to debate about it.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

TammyJM 09-19-2007 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1379397)
The DQ only will be applied to any white no longer than an inch on the forechest or any other color on the head and body. Nothing is in the DQ about DQ'ing a black and tan yorkie, even tho in my opinion it shouldn't be shown it's not the standard. This was written to not let Parti's/Briewers to participate in the show ring in the yorkie breed if that is to my understanding. I will not get into a debate about the parti gene as I do not know enough about it to debate about it.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
I guess now I am confused because I thought that,starting in October, any color other than what YTCA has deemed standard would be DQ'ed in the show ring....including the black coat. :confused:

As for Sue's post (pinehaven), I did not interpret it as being a debate. How I read it was that she is merely trying to educate.

Tammy

Brooklynn 09-19-2007 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1379422)
I guess now I am confused because I thought that,starting in October, any color other than what YTCA has deemed standard would be DQ'ed in the show ring....including the black coat. :confused:

As for Sue's post (pinehaven), I did not interpret it as being a debate. How I read it was that she is merely trying to educate.

Tammy

the DQ that has been added will affect anything considered white because of parti's and briewers in the show ring.....I'm afraid if I comment on the parti it could end up a debate LOL sorry but I'm very opinionated when it comes to breeding outside the standard and most reputable breeders today have elimited things that are not part of the standard written or let me rephrase SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULD LOL. I don't mean to sound rude and I apologize for that so I have opted to not get into something I know nothing about. Educating on the parti is something I'm not interested in because it's not in the standard. Please don't throw a shoe at me LOL
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Pinehaven 09-19-2007 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1379397)
The DQ only will be applied to any white no longer than an inch on the forechest or any other color on the head and body. Nothing is in the DQ about DQ'ing a black and tan yorkie, even tho in my opinion it shouldn't be shown it's not the standard. This was written to not let Parti's/Briewers to participate in the show ring in the yorkie breed if that is to my understanding. I will not get into a debate about the parti gene as I do not know enough about it to debate about it.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
According to the new ruling, any color or combination of colors other than blue and tan will be disqualified ... since black and tan is not blue and tan, they will be DQd.

Brooklynn 09-19-2007 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1379451)
According to the new ruling, any color or combination of colors other than blue and tan will be disqualified ... since black and tan is not blue and tan, they will be DQd.

Had a well known judge state this past weekend that a puppy with white anywhere on his head will be DQ'ed and that is not what the new DQ means either...so it will go back to what the judge interputs as black or blue. Some judges are color blind. More dogs that have white on them will be more so be DQ'ed than a black dog. JMO

AMD 09-19-2007 07:52 AM
I don't belong in this thread, but I just wanted to stick my head in, and say thank you for this thread.

I am in the beginnings of the show world, and am trying to get a show pup from the Durrer line. This thread has been so informative. I just wanted to say thank you!!!


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