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Pinehaven 09-17-2007 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1375684)
If black is not allowed, few in SO. Florida will finish a Yorkie...LOL I am not the spokes person for the YTCA, but the 4 standard colors already listed are approved colors.
Someone in another thread about colored yorkies, said she heard from a judge that the disqualification rule will start going into effect later this year. I don't know if that's true but I guess it would be up to the judge to abide (or not abide) to the new ruling.

According to YTCA's Standards page, adult colors should be:

"BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs.

TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan."

Also says that the heads can be a Golden tan. There is no mention about black coats in adults.

On the disqualification ruling page: Any solid color or combinations of colors other than Blue and tan (will be disqualified)

PrincessTinker 09-17-2007 02:16 PM
Great info Kim:thumbup: :)

BamaFan121s 09-17-2007 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1375727)
I guess the AKC hasn't received that memo yet.:D

I also heard that the only yorkies allowed in the show ring will be STEEL blue and tan.
Well, unless I'm mistaken, the YTCA doesn't call all the shots with AKC.

YorkieRose 09-17-2007 02:27 PM
color
 
I thought it was all voted down...if not it should be very interesting to watch...is this adults only? I read Cher's showlist, I guess I missed it.

Sugar's Mom 09-17-2007 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1375741)
Someone in another thread about colored yorkies, said she heard from a judge that the disqualification rule will start going into effect later this year. I don't know if that's true but I guess it would be up to the judge to abide (or not abide) to the new ruling.

According to YTCA's Standards page, adult colors should be:

"BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs.

TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan."

Also says that the heads can be a Golden tan. There is no mention about black coats in adults.

On the disqualification ruling page: Any solid color or combinations of colors other than Blue and tan (will be disqualified)
BUT, that is for show standard.

BamaFan121s 09-17-2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1375804)
BUT, that is for show standard.
Do they have a different standard for pets? :confused: If they do, it's news to me.

Emmsmom 09-17-2007 03:08 PM
Thats all fine and dandy but... I guess my concern would be the high prices that are being charged because they are "Chocolates" and are "rare".

There are some YT members with adorable "choclates". I am sure they would disagree with me. I just think capatilizing on certain terms is what makes it all so bad.

Amber_lv 09-17-2007 04:28 PM
I guess i am confused to I know that if they are parti or chocolate etc they have to send in pics of the dog and it can be registered but what i don't get is the black coats??? I think they are beautiful and don't understand why they can't be shown if they have the right points?? They are not a different breed and aren't classified like the biewer so i don't get it?? I know you could never show a chocolate but a black and tan i feel should be allowed as it is one of the 4 colors to choose from.

Sugar's Mom 09-17-2007 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1375820)
Do they have a different standard for pets? :confused: If they do, it's news to me.

The reason I say that is because all the show people are saying that the only dogs that can be shown are the blue/gold ones and I have read that also. BUT, this new puppy application I have shows the FOUR different combinations of colors that they DO accept for sure. I know I can not show a black and gold dog in the ring but I can register a black and gold or black and tan dog.

txshopper73 09-17-2007 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1375778)
I thought it was all voted down...if not it should be very interesting to watch...is this adults only? I read Cher's showlist, I guess I missed it.
From what I understand, it only goes for the adult dogs.

Brooklynn 09-17-2007 05:28 PM
The "ONLY" thing that will disqualify a yorkie in the show ring when the new DQ comes out will be about white on a dog can not be on the chest no more than an inch wide on an adult dog or any other white on the head( I can't remember the exact wording). Black and tan dogs will not earn a DQ. I show and do not take in a black and tan adult dog. My Radar is not the perfect gold and I would consider alittle lighter than what it's suppose to be but it's NOT a DQ and yes I will strive for the correct color but as I've stated in another thread structure and movement is more important to me in the show ring the coat is just icing on the cake per say....I wouldn't take in a black adult dog even with correct structure because there are correct color and coated yorkies with great structure and movement. On "MY" litter registration papers there are no boxes to check other than what I posted before so therefore in my mind that is the only accepted colors with AKC. In the YTCA it's a dark steel blue with a shaded tan.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

wemple2 09-17-2007 05:30 PM
My question is simple...Winston's papers say he is Blue and Gold. All his ancestors were listed as Blue and Gold on his Pedigree. I'm not seeing Blue and Gold, I'm seeing Black and Tan. I'm not showing him or breeding him, and I love him dearly...no matter what color he is. But if the standard is only Blue and Tan...isn't he off colored?

txshopper73 09-17-2007 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1376072)
The reason I say that is because all the show people are saying that the only dogs that can be shown are the blue/gold ones and I have read that also. BUT, this new puppy application I have shows the FOUR different combinations of colors that they DO accept for sure. I know I can not show a black and gold dog in the ring but I can register a black and gold or black and tan dog.
Here's my take on this...

018 Black and Tan
041 Blue and Gold
044 Blue and Tan
234 Black and Gold

Those are the colors on the registration papers. IMO, it's safe to say that those colors also include puppy colors...black/tan, black/gold. Most people get puppies around 12 weeks of age. What colors are puppies at that age? Black/tan or black/gold. Now some people will register their puppies before their colors break.

Those that decide to wait longer (after coat break) may register Blue/gold or Blue/tan. Just a thought.

txshopper73 09-17-2007 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wemple2 (Post 1376188)
My question is simple...Winston's papers say he is Blue and Gold. All his ancestors were listed as Blue and Gold on his Pedigree. I'm not seeing Blue and Gold, I'm seeing Black and Tan. I'm not showing him or breeding him, and I love him dearly...no matter what color he is. But if the standard is only Blue and Tan...isn't he off colored?
How old is Winston?

Brooklynn 09-17-2007 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wemple2 (Post 1376188)
My question is simple...Winston's papers say he is Blue and Gold. All his ancestors were listed as Blue and Gold on his Pedigree. I'm not seeing Blue and Gold, I'm seeing Black and Tan. I'm not showing him or breeding him, and I love him dearly...no matter what color he is. But if the standard is only Blue and Tan...isn't he is off colored?
He is not off colored he's just doesn't have the correct color for the show ring. When registering a litter the breeder is hoping the dog will be blue and gold. All yorkies are born black and tan. Some just don't change. Normally if they break to what looks like silver early as in 6 weeks old "maybe" they will normally turn out blue and gold sometimes they will break color later. A breeder or responsible breeder will know his lines and can usually predict the color in most cases. Of course you can get a black and tan yorkie it will just be considered a pet quality puppy and be placed in a pet home from a show breeder or it should be anyway JMHO :)
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers


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