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Akc No, nothing has changed...AKC and YTCA has always allowed the 4 colors..never have they allowed chocolates, parti's, etc... Some breeders were trying to include the parti colors..so they voted and it was turned down. |
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Okay so you like get marked down for black but it is acceptable...I get it. |
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color It all depends on the judge and what they stress as most important in an entry..that is why breeders ask other breeders what "type" a judge perfers..then they know what shows to enter. Why drive for 4 hrs if a judge loves a very dark dog.... no need entering a lighter one in most cases...we would love to say the judge is the expert and is never wrong..but it is just not so..some judges think black is best..others want a baby face..-other want lots of leg, others look for a compact dog.. Most are fair and know the standard... |
Okay I totally see what your saying now. The best doesnt always win ;) I knew nothing about proper coloring or what it takes in a show ring befoe this thread thanks all i am learning lots! |
judges Donna...unfortunately some judges look at who is holding the lead instead the dog at the end of it..a fact plain and simple, but you learn to deal with it...LOL |
judges Diggy...the judge might see something we at ring side can not, perhaps a missing tooth on a beautiful blue and gold dog.... |
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That happened to me in July a dog that won shouldn't have but did because of who was behind the lead and again....another day at the dog show LOL :) |
At a recent show (I didnt attend but a good friend/exhibitor did) his bitch is very light and small framed, she has 9 points (one a 5 point major last year) The Judge told my friend if his bitch was in the ring starting October 1st 2007 he would have to DQ her because of the impending standard change. There was another judge within ear shot and got into the converstation, which became somewhat of a heated discussion...they said in their opinion this change in the standard its going to force exhibitors to enhance the dogs if they want to win:thumbdown :confused: Color: BLUE: is a dark steel-blue not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots that in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be No sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan. the new standard plain and simple reads QD'ing faults Any color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small s**te spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1" at its longest dimension.[/B] I had posted this published in the AKC Gazett - May edition a while back! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...light=standard |
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Black coated adults would be considered off standard since the August 2006, disqualification ruling that was made to disqualify parti-colored and colors other than specified in the standard, was made. |
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It surprised me also...I know they don't achieve that until adult hood and I was surprised at the judge who said it too! When the head on a puppy breaks you see white and the judge said he'd DQ it because it's white according to what the standard will say when it goes into affect. AGAIN, I know it's not what the new DQ means but if one judge interputs that way how many other judges will? Donna |
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I know this :) I'm just stating what a judge told an exhibitor at the speciality this weekend. :) donna |
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The interpretation is the key, color should not be a DQ on a pup from 6-18 months, once they enter into open is when IMHO DQ should be inforced, unless of course it is rather obvious the pup will never attain a true steel blue coat (breaking too light on the back). Also the "wavey" will be interesting many take the wraps out ring side, brush them out without ironing, the coat appears wavey when indeed its not, when being shown. |
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I agree, again this is what the judge told a friend of mine this past weekend guess we'll see what happens! |
color I had a male who was being shown by my handler..he was in the 9mo to 12 at a Specialty...he had a super nice gold, but rather quite dark saddle. The judge asked my handler if she was sure the color would change and she told him who the sire was and of course he would be steel blue at maturity ..so he won his class..BUT he never attained proper color to suit me and was retired...I figured it made things a bit even for the times my truly blues were overlooked for a black... |
colors re: AKC I just got back an e-mail from AKC reguarding colors. "The YTCA approved these alternant colors for regstration but have not changed the standard eligibility for the show ring. Any concerns reguarding these colors should be directed th the YTCA as they are the legislators of their breed standard. " FYi Lynn |
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sorry Sorry, I must have mis-read the post. |
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YTCA does not recognize Liver or parti's AKC might have an alternate number but the YTCA "does not" recognize those colors in it's standard. |
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color I just poste what akC e-mailed me. Im not trying to argumentative, but isnt it the same thing that you just said? |
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I was responding to Brooklynn in post #83 so I seriously don't understand what you're getting at. Read between the two quotes above...Brooklynn is who I was talking to and was trying to get clarification from. |
Oooooops!!! Sorry, my computer is acting up and I didnt see Brooklyns post as it wouldnt come up,!!?? Duh, no wonder I was confused!!! SORRY!!!! Lynn |
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Well I would like to thank you Txshopper for starting this...I think the goal here was to educate and I want to tell you I learned a lot! Good post and VERY informative! Thanks again..... Also I have another question you may be able to answer....which club has the final say so on standard YTCA or AKC? Like if you were a breeder that showed, whose guidelines and standards do you thrive to meet? |
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Black/tan blue/gold Blue/tan and the other one I don't have my papers in front of me. Liver/chocolate and parti's AKC may have an alternate color # but YTCA does not recognize those colors other than stated on the registration papers. The standard that YTCA sets forth is what breeders should strive for. Of course you will have the other colors stated on the registration application but to be true to the breed you strive for the dark steel blue and shaded tan. I'm not trying to argue but trying to educate on what needs to be the ultimate goal when owning/showing a yorkie and know the difference between someone that is striving for the standard and those that are trying to incorparate "money" into this breed which is an awesome breed :) JMHO Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers ;) |
So, as far as "registering" dogs, who has the final authority? YTCA or AKC. I always thought that YTCA just gives AKC "suggestions' so to speak but AKC is the governing body on ALL registrations. |
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