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Can someone post a pic of what the acceptable color for the show ring is I wanna see these colors. Just out of curiosity. |
Thanks for the answers guys...Winston is 3 years old, I doubt if his color will change now, right? |
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You will find someone with a different interputation of what the correct color will be LOL....if you see my avator that is what i'd call an acceptable color except his gold in my opinion as a show breeder is lighter than what it should be but the color is accepted. His blue is what I'd call a medium blue could be a little darker to be closer to the standard but is again acceptable. He's not black and he's not silver. I hope that helps. Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers |
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He will stay black and tan but again that's ok he's a pet and you love him and that is all that matters. I have a black and tan bitch and love her with all my heart just like all my others and just as much as my show dogs :) All are loved and pets before show dogs :) Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers |
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Yes, it does...thank you for explaining. :) Okay Now Bella is spayed and I only ask this out of curiosity so I know what I'm looking at...this is my Bella if you dont mind...could tell me her proper coloring name?? I get asked all the time and would like to give an educated answer. |
Oh and she was 2 years old June 6th. Is this her forever coat or will it continue changing? |
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She looks to have a blue coat. Looks to me to be a nice coat! Some bitches with each season can go lighter as my bitch did some will hold their color. So at 2 she'll probably stay a nice dark steel blue for now anyway LOL...again just depends on if it changes with her heat cycles. A black bitch usually will always stay black. Hope that helped Donna |
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THANK YOU!!! Okay so she doesnt have heat cycles so she probably will not lighten, she looks blue which is good, and her face is tan? I think I am starting to get this...lol I think AKC is confusing me on whats acceptable :rolleyes: I did not realize coloring was an interpretation either I was thinking maybe a color chart?? lol something even I could understand....I guess I will have to start reading up. thank you for your responses!!! |
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Your girl looks to be blue and gold (tan) to me from what I can see in the pictures. She should stay the same color if she's spayed. I have old eyes and the pictures are small but from what I see I see blue and gold. What AKC says is acceptable is different than what the YTCA would consider acceptable....it's all in the eye of the beholder. If you were to bring a black bitch into the ring to me that wouldn't be acceptable to me because the YTCA standard doesn't say black it says a dark steel blue in adults that is because puppies are black and tan. But again, there is interpetation as to what one sees in my opinion. I try to the best of my knowledge to help those understand what I think is correct but I'm not always right and it's what I believe to be correct but I am open to be corrected if I am wrong :) Donna |
color So, basically, its like the German Shepard, Whites cant be shown in AKC conformation, but can still be registered. Maybe its because the whites are not usually a good enough representation of the breed to show.?? Just like the designeer color yorkies arent either.(I have yet to see one that is) Maybe thats because the died in the wool dedicated to the standard,Yorkie breeders have been trying to not breed them. Its still and AkC and YTCA standard color fault, and like any other fault, should not be bred. Lynn |
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From a show exhibitor and breeder's point of view you should only breed to better the breed and breed as close to the standard set forth by the YTCA. Study pedigrees and know health issues and everything else to better the breed and do NOT mix with anything less acceptable. Know the standard and health issues of any breed. In my opinion if you want a dog/pet of any kind buy from a reputable breeder, do your homework and do not support those that breed for nothing less than the best! Most reputable breeders sell on a spay and neuter contract unless you are going to show and then you have a contract that will limit what you can do with their lines. Please educate yourself and be responsible! JMHO Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers |
colors I forgot, thank you Texasshopper for the post. It is very informative!!! You and Brooklyn always have great info and are so knowledgable. Lynn |
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color I did not think they had changed the 4 acceptable colors, but did not want to argue. Color is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to steel blue...there is a show breeder here in Florida who only shows black/ gold, but if you ask that breeder they feel it is a true steel blue...others think a slivery blue is steel...so things are still the the same... |
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Still considering myself new to showing and breeding and only showing for 4 years and breeding for 3 there is still so much I need to learn and one thing I have learned is some show breeders get kennel blind and some are just color blind LOL. It's all in interpertation but everyone should know what the difference in black and a dark steel blue but again I call it kennel blindness. A dark steel blue and a nice silk texture if you actually see it and feel it in person you'll never forget it if you stay true to the breed and that is what you strive for. I've seen a dark steel blue and I've felt a nice silk texture and I will not forget it I may not have it in some of my dogs but I will strive for it because that is the right thing to do but structure and movement come first then the correct color and texture. At least I know which one of my show dogs have the correct color and which ones don't!! LOL Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers! |
1 Attachment(s) I understand what your talking about kennel blind lol I am sure it is hard to admit your baby isnt of the right color but if you are really looking to improve your dog for the show right then you have to face it at sometime I suppose. Did you see where I said to click on the pics I post? it will then make them large for you and easier to see if Bella is Blue or Steel... Ive been looking around at diffeernt website and seems a lt say steel but the steel appears to be many differrent shades that or the Kennel blind kicked in lol |
Good to know, but I think all of mine are black / tan. They are still puppies so I don't know if they will change much yet. |
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I'm glad I didn't get my dogs to show. Sounds to political for me. |
color I am old and jaded..too many years under my belt. Things are NOT black and white in dogs... Most show breeders DO strive for the best color possible...BUT if you talk to judges they will tell you what they do in these situations(sometimes LOL)...we had a discussion in a former thread about this...some judges will select structure over color..me too! Color is far easier to change then a structure fault..you can breed in good color in one generation..but some structure faults will haunt a breeder for many generations... There are softer, black Yorkies of excellent structure and temperment finished each year..given the choice I would opt for one over a gorgeous steel blue coat hung on a poor topline or bad bite... I had a friend who had such good color on her UK bitch, but her did not show herself well, no ring temperament, this was a super nice girl in every other area..but she only got 6 pts..I remember the day she showed against a flashy, black, soft male (BOW) and he got a 5 pt major...so there is so much more then what mets the eye... |
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The picture appeared bigger for me and in "my opinion" you bitch would be considered a dark steel blue however, a picture can make it appear that way because of lighting. Does she look like that in person? I know some pictures I have of Radar some look lighter than he really is and darker than he is because of lighting! Take into account lighting in pictures can affect your perception :) It's better to see the dog/color in person to make a better judgement call :) Again, I hope this helps some :) Donna Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers |
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I will take structure over color any day myself EXCEPT showing a black dog in the ring! I may use a black bitch with great structure and movement as long as it fits the standard everywhere else with the exception of the color/coat in my breeding program. I stated all this in a previous thread the coat color/texture are just icing on the cake. I try when I show to represent our breed closest to the standard as possible. JMHO Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terrier |
oh your helping lots!! I am sure there are many people following this trying to learn colors too as it is a hot topic in here....I will look for pics of Bella in natural lighting to get a true pic but yes, that is her color in person also....the lil turd laying next to her, thats Diggy he is her full brother different litter (6 months old now) and I have no idea what he is gonna be like.... |
true I agree..why waste your time and money showing black... When I moved to Florida I noticed a much darker coat in the ring...black is popular, small, cuties, very different then I am used to seeing.....I questioned a few breeders who were also new here and they were showing correct and losing..it is frustrating..but I think it will change here with the influx of recent exhibitors..but IMO |
AKC colors 2 Attachment(s) Okay here are some others with more natural lighting no flash (i dont think) So when breeding a coat is a relatively easy fix....but structure is the hard part? I'm getting it I think lol The first was before bath...second after bath.... |
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I want to make myself clear here LOL....Although color is important in the YTCA standard and I will strive to show and breed the correct color but structure and movement and personality are the most important thing to me and harder to develop and color and coat texture are easier to bring back into a dog. Coat can hide alot of faults as in length but color can't hide anything soooo structure and a well put together dog and a healthy dog is so important and the color is just icing on the cake!!! Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers |
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coats Tapestry carpets over dung heaps...! |
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