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crystalsmom · 09-14-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wfaye

HOW DO I SEE WHO REPLIES AFTER I RESPOND TO COMMENTS DO YOU GO BACK TO YOUR E-MAIL CAUSE I KEEP GETTING THEM FROM YORKIE TALK AFTER I RESPOND MAYBE I WIIL FIGURE IT OUT.

In your user CP if you have it set up to get email notifications there will be a link in blue in that notification to take you back to the thread.

Yorkiedaze · 09-14-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I actually escorted one of my puppies to Los Angeles in Feb to a YT member. The prices are so high out there, she was able to purchase my baby and my plane ticket (round trip0 for less than a puppy would have cost her out there.

Your so right. I flew to TN. to get Zada and then paid to have the breeders friend fly Zada's 1st cousin (Azrael) out here. Seems everything here in CA. is terribly expensive.

daisy mae06 · 09-14-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

Your so right. I flew to TN. to get Zada and then paid to have the breeders friend fly Zada's 1st cousin (Azrael) out here. Seems everything here in CA. is terribly expensive.

Do you think that the price there has to do with all the celebrity people getting them?

chachi · 09-14-2007, 08:42 AM

Thats a breeder thats just into it for the $

Nikki+2 · 09-14-2007, 09:13 AM

Pretty dogs but very strange site. She says she ALWAYS has AT LEAST one litter of puppies born a month. She shows 4 breeding females and one of them is only 7 months old and one is 11 months. How is she getting a litter a month? Also what the h*ll does this mean: "WE have 1 litter due
around the first of Dec.
somebody is the Dad of
this litters..." Is it me or does that not make any sense whatsoever?

lksdolls · 09-14-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom

Yep, and as long as people pay these ludicrous prices for pups that are purposely bred to be "tinies", unethical people will keep churning them out. Supply and demand.

I've been disapointly surprised by some of the responses to this thread. Most of the time, we (YT) discourage the purposeful breeding of under-sized bitches - no matter how "adorable" the end result (should the bitch live through labor, that is).

I'm certainly not defending that breeder but much ado is made about smaller bitches having pups. It all depends on the bitch. I have a 3.5 pound female that we kept from one of our litters but not to breed. Sure enough one our males nailed her in less than one minute, and I'm not making that up. They were hosed down right away but she got pregnant. It certainly wasn't by our choice. Because she was so small, I made arrangements for a C-section on July 13th but the morning of the 10th I woke up to one pup, still in the sack but not living. About 3 hours later she began delivering a second one, breach. He didn't make it. Less than a half an hour later she had another coming breach and I rushed her to the vet. When he pulled back the towel, there was another little boy already out, whom we call Li' T because he was the third one and weighed 3 ounces. The other two were 4 ounces each. To say we were shocked, not only by the number of pups but by their size, is an understatement. And she did it all on her own. My 6 pound bitches have pups that weigh that much at birth. Lil' T wouldn't nurse for 2 days so I hand feed him but by Friday, the 13th, the day they should have been born, he began to nurse. He is now 9 weeks old. The bottom line is problems can arise with any delivery, regardless of the size of the bitch.

abbie's mom · 09-14-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lksdolls

The bottom line is problems can arise with any delivery, regardless of the size of the bitch.

Point made and noted. MY point is the PURPOSEFUL use of tiny dogs (of ANY breed) to mass produce teenie tiny dogs. Your instance was NOT purposeful - I know that accidents happen, and that lots of litters have tiny pups (runts, if you will). I am so happy to know that your bitch made it through whelping, and at least one of the pups

Rae Rae · 09-14-2007, 10:36 AM

Did anyone else notice in her little bio on the front page of her website she talks about the yorkies she breeds, and says like twice "not the standard"..If I'm going to pay $6G for a dog, it better be w/in AKC standard!!!

AmyChristine · 09-14-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rae Rae

Did anyone else notice in her little bio on the front page of her website she talks about the yorkies she breeds, and says like twice "not the standard"..If I'm going to pay $6G for a dog, it better be w/in AKC standard!!!

No kidding!!!!

Yorkies-Mom · 09-14-2007, 10:57 AM

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"You cannot get a good quality dog for $400 to $600"

i agree that this is a truly ignorant statement. i bought romeo for $600 and he is perfect! if she had said you could not buy one "in this area of the country" for that price then i would not have a problem with that at all because what doesn't cost a fortune in CA! but to say it is not possible ANYWHERE is very wrong!

BamaFan121s · 09-14-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lksdolls

The bottom line is problems can arise with any delivery, regardless of the size of the bitch.

True, but the risk is greatly decreased when you have a bitch that is a healthy, larger size for breeding. (Not to mention some knowledge and experience with what you are doing.) It's a much more minimal risk than breeding such a small female.
I realize it wasn't intentional and accidents happen, as you found out. Your small female's case is a good example: Sure, she whelped one by herself that survived, but there were complications and it had to be hand fed. There were two who didn't make it, your girl was on the verge of having to have a c-section. So in the end, it was not smooth and easy.

Why would anyone take a greater risk that could end that way on purpose?!

crystalsmom · 09-14-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

True, but the risk is greatly decreased when you have a bitch that is a healthy, larger size for breeding. (Not to mention some knowledge and experience with what you are doing.) It's a much more minimal risk than breeding such a small female.
I realize it wasn't intentional and accidents happen, as you found out. Your small female's case is a good example: Sure, she whelped one by herself that survived, but there were complications and it had to be hand fed. There were two who didn't make it, your girl was on the verge of having to have a c-section. So in the end, it was not smooth and easy.

Why would anyone take a greater risk that could end that way on purpose?!

BamaFan121s · 09-14-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

I think you (we) have officially started something.

yorkiies4u · 09-14-2007, 05:06 PM

Why is it that I see so many people on this site that are mad because a breeder asks what a dog is worth? Breeders are breeders for 2 reasons: because they love the breed and want to further it, and they are MAKING A LIVING!!!! On the west coast is is rare to see a yorkie from good lines (champion within 3 generations) for less than $1500, even for pet quality. Please people, stop saying how bad breeders are for asking what their stock is worth. There is a well known breeder in Oregon that doesn't ask any less than $3500 for any of her stock, so enough already!!!

kelsie123186 · 09-14-2007, 05:39 PM

I think alot of people are really missing what i was saying... the comment the lady made was that you cant get a good quality DOG unless you spend thousand... not just a yorkie but the statement was refering to any dog. I dont understand how anybody can say that a dog is not good "quality" unless you spend thousands... Who made her the one in charge of deciding wheather or not a dog is a quality dog. And she didnt say show quality... because that would have made a little more sense... she said quality.. I wrote this lady an angry letter and she responded by appoligizing and then saying that she was just very upset that someone had stolen her dogs picture... then she went on to say "I was offerd 8 thousand for that dog and turned it down" She just sounds like a show off.... And for someone to charge MORE money the smaller the dog, is just ridiculous! She boasts about her 2 lb dogs that she sells for thousand and thousands... my bailey is 1.9lbs full grown and my breeder did not charge any more for her than she did for her other regular sized litter mates....

09-14-2007, 08:42 AM	#49
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Thats a breeder thats just into it for the $ __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

09-14-2007, 09:13 AM	#50
Nikki+2 I heart Sugar Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 7,373	Pretty dogs but very strange site. She says she ALWAYS has AT LEAST one litter of puppies born a month. She shows 4 breeding females and one of them is only 7 months old and one is 11 months. How is she getting a litter a month? Also what the h*ll does this mean: "WE have 1 litter due around the first of Dec. somebody is the Dad of this litters..." Is it me or does that not make any sense whatsoever? __________________ "If you have men who will exclude any of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men." — St. Francis of Assisi, 1181-1226

09-14-2007, 10:36 AM	#53
Rae Rae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,823	Did anyone else notice in her little bio on the front page of her website she talks about the yorkies she breeds, and says like twice "not the standard"..If I'm going to pay $6G for a dog, it better be w/in AKC standard!!! __________________ Owned by Rocky and Bella

09-14-2007, 05:06 PM	#59
yorkiies4u Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Forest Grove, OR Posts: 24	Why is it that I see so many people on this site that are mad because a breeder asks what a dog is worth? Breeders are breeders for 2 reasons: because they love the breed and want to further it, and they are MAKING A LIVING!!!! On the west coast is is rare to see a yorkie from good lines (champion within 3 generations) for less than $1500, even for pet quality. Please people, stop saying how bad breeders are for asking what their stock is worth. There is a well known breeder in Oregon that doesn't ask any less than $3500 for any of her stock, so enough already!!!

09-14-2007, 05:39 PM	#60
kelsie123186 YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: nevada Posts: 323	I think alot of people are really missing what i was saying... the comment the lady made was that you cant get a good quality DOG unless you spend thousand... not just a yorkie but the statement was refering to any dog. I dont understand how anybody can say that a dog is not good "quality" unless you spend thousands... Who made her the one in charge of deciding wheather or not a dog is a quality dog. And she didnt say show quality... because that would have made a little more sense... she said quality.. I wrote this lady an angry letter and she responded by appoligizing and then saying that she was just very upset that someone had stolen her dogs picture... then she went on to say "I was offerd 8 thousand for that dog and turned it down" She just sounds like a show off.... And for someone to charge MORE money the smaller the dog, is just ridiculous! She boasts about her 2 lb dogs that she sells for thousand and thousands... my bailey is 1.9lbs full grown and my breeder did not charge any more for her than she did for her other regular sized litter mates....