Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1348092)

Personally, I don't know in 12 years of being in show/breeding of any show breeders that have produced parti colour.
I am amazed at the multitude of knowledge aobut show breeders from people are aren't show breeders nor do they have anything to do with them, never been at their homes never spoken to them as friends and yet seem to have intimate knowledge of what shows up in their whelping box. this is sure all news to me and I would bet news to the show breeders.:D :D

Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1348107)

Oh i forgot to add... maybe the parti yorkie ancestor was a champion but didn't get the gene from them but the other side:rolleyes: ... ***Maybe not. Just thinking aloud***

Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1348092)

Personally, I don't know in 12 years of being in show/breeding of any show breeders that have produced parti colour.
I am amazed at the multitude of knowledge aobut show breeders from people are aren't show breeders nor do they have anything to do with them, never been at their homes never spoken to them as friends and yet seem to have intimate knowledge of what shows up in their whelping box. this is sure all news to me and I would bet news to the show breeders.:D :D

Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1348105)

I think biewers and partis are different??

Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1348142)

That was my point, a champion sire bred to? And went back to? on the dams side and who was this champion sire.
I wish people would get to know the show world before they get into speaking what they consider to be 'facts'. You have to know the show world to know how things occur. I have seen many byb's in show clothes by the way and they are not show breeders I would deal with ever.
There are show breeders and then there are show breeders. Unfortunately some not so reputable show breeders got their hands on some mighty fine lines and dragged those through the mud.
Having said all that, of course, anyone can produce a wrong colour, blaiming it on champions and saying that's where it came from is why most show breeders who are reputable will not let their dogs go or be studded to non show breeders or show breeders they are not sure of, because they could very well be breeding to something that can be carrying any anomoly and it will be the show breeder that gets the blame.
I believe the AKC relented and registered parti colours because someone somewhere who had them sued AKC and they had more money than AKC was willing to spend to fight it out in court. Initially, AKC turned applications down flat for particolour YOrkies. It was not this dog you mentioned and I have no idea who the parti colour breeder was.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1348140)

I can only offer my opinion and I'm a yorkie snob, yep that isn't a secret.

It would be wonderful if it were considered it's own breed with it's own standard and own National Club.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1348135)

Oh so there are skeletons in the show breeders closets, you just all keep it secret, and that is what makes you reputable, responsible breeders. You hide the evidence and keep it all hush hush and no one is the wiser.

I rather the breeder be honest and come right out and say "My champion dog produced this off colored pup and that is why I am finding it a new home."

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1348140)

I can only offer my opinion and I'm a yorkie snob, yep that isn't a secret.

It would be wonderful if it were considered it's own breed with it's own standard and own National Club.

Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1348122)

I mean... Can it be consider it's own breed or still a yorkie and accepted in the ring as a 'pure' yorkie? I know it's a possibility for both but what are everyone's opinions on which way it should go if it were to happen?... Thanks

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1348161)

Yes it would, and hopefully some day it will be. But to get to that point, we have to breed enough of them and get a standard set. that is why I don't believe it is wrong to breed them.
Every breed got it's start somewhere and no doubt had a lot of opposition.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1348149)

The gene has to be on both sides in order to produce a parti colored pup.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1348154)

Sdame dog, different countries the Biewers originated in Germany, but they were the fproduct of two traditional colored yorkies, just like the partis are.

The Germans were more open minded, and allowed the breeders to start their own breed club so the Biwers and the yorkies are not shown together even though they are all yorkies.

Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn (Post 1348158)

I think that you have misunderstood Mary. She is saying that it is not a good idea to destroy someones reputation on rumor and innuendo. You would want the same respect shown to your breeding. Anyone can say they heard such in such about you know who, but it doesn't make it true!

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1348168)

No YTCA has closed that door and it is in the process of being closed in Canada. No one objects to Biewer Terriers which the Biewer breeders are wanting to do.

Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1348175)

Personally, I would like to see them accepted in the Yorkshire Terrier breed. I've seen standards change in equine breeds with regard to color and where color was once a very negative thing, it's now accepted and sought after. Through education and a better understanding of genetics, hopefully one day, things will change.