|
I don't understand why the parti yorkie or any other colour can't just be seen as a beautiful variation of a wonderful breed. Surely the 'perfect yorkie' has already been shown, so it might be argued that what is the point, what are you trying to perfect if its already perfect? Rather than people saying they are trying to better the breed why not just be honest and say its a hobby same as someone collecting stamps etc. Some people may love it others may find it of no interest. How is someone breeding a different variation of a yorkie wrong, if someone wants to breed to the colours accepted when showing a dog then fine, go ahead and do it. We are human, all things move on otherwise we'd all still be living in caves. Its made me smile sitting here reading this, then looking at Buddy who's curled up fast asleep, i bet he's not having nightmares about what colour he is or isnt! lol |
JeanieK, I want to commend you for banging your head up against a wall like this for your beliefs and knowledge. Your hard work and tears I am sure you have shed JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE I can only hope my children grow up to be so strong and open minded as you. I have never seen such a concern for whats going on in someone elses "backyard". My bloodlines run over 50% Indian, everyone has Brown to black hair, and eyes so dark you can hardly see a pupil....My son came out light brown hair, and light green eyes....thank god my family was accepting. :D Stay strong girl...I have come to admire you in these last few days! |
the girls will love his light green eyes, dare i say they are not so common as in 'rare' lol |
Quote:
|
don't say that lol i have green eyes so has my son. My ex mother in law (she wasn't very pleasant) told me he would NOT have green eyes like mine they would be brown like the rest of her family. When he was a baby i willed those eyes not to turn brown lol |
Quote:
Yes he is rare in a family of over 50 people with black/brown hair and dark eyes...and yes!! the girls love those eyes of his just as I do! they look good with his dark skin too!! He is 12, so the phone is already ringing silly girls!! |
Quote:
|
Quote:
They are bold around my way....they call any time, and every phone (cells) until they get him too!! :eek: |
Okay, I had a family dinner last night and missed this. Today, I'm in the process of making hot sauce for my friends/mentors, just one of my ways to show my appreciation. I took a break and came in to find this is still going and getting rather out of hand. Name calling, rudeness, slanderous statements about long time respected breeders...enough is enough! People saying show breeders don't breed to improve the breed..You've got to be kidding!!!! Accusations towards these respected breeders that have worked long and hard for their lines and yes, I said work IS ridiculous. I know some that work 3 jobs and still take perfect care of their dogs. That is something that always comes first. Since many of you making these comments don't show, you have no idea what it takes, so don't pretend you do. These women and men have spent years studying and researching and it wasn't done to pad their pocketbooks...Anyone can breed, which is unfortunate in some cases, but it takes more that two dogs tying to make you a respected breeder. Parties, Beiwers, if they're the same, then join the Beiwers clubs, at least they have gone about things in the proper way and developed a standard from what I have heard. If parties are different, then take the years it takes to develop your own breed. If there weren't standards to act as guidelines, I can't imagine what our poor little babies would look like. If you want to continue discussing ladies, please show a little more tact and respect for these long time breeders that DO BREED TO IMPROVE. The perfect dog has not been bred yet so yes this will always be something to strive for. (Although I feel my little CJ is close) lol |
Quote:
That is what we, or I should say "I", since I don't know what the others want to acheive.* But you have to start by first breeding the dogs, you cannot make up a breed club until you have a breed.* And you have to develop some sort of predictabile, obtainable standards before you can state what those standards should be. that is all that I want to do.* Whether I do it on a small scale for my own line, or on a large scale in developing the breed.* But since I can't just keep breeding and keeping the dogs, I will have to sell, just as the show breeders have to sell or they would have a house full of dogs. |
Quote:
that brings up another issue. do you suppose that hortaculturists had this same argument over developing different colors of roses. there were probably a few that felt that all roses should be red, and if you want a yellow flower, go pick a dandelion |
Quote:
You are right I stand corrected. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
LOL the truth is I love to debate, especially when i know i can back up my facts and the other side cannot, because you cannot prove a negative. |
Quote:
So, what you are doing is not different than what The Standard Yorkie Breeder is doing. Setting your own standard with your own color pattern. As I've said before I'm not here to alienate, but to educate. Many of you have called on my assistance and help. I've never turned away because I don't agree with what you're breeding. My only concern is with the dog. Jeanie....you continue to boast in away that comes off as rude, this isn't necessary. Just continue with your goals, don't worry about what anybody else is doing. |
Quote:
yes partis and Biewers are the same dog in the respect that they both started from two traditional colored yorkies. But the Biewers would not allow the paties to be registered as Bioewers because they do not have Biewer parents. All show breeders should know that.d All we want is to be allowed to do with the partis what has been done with the biewers. as for what show breeders do for the breed I have never said it wasn't hard work or that it was unimportant. But I do believe that they do it for a hobby and a challenge to see if they can improve their own line. the breed itself has already had many examples of the perfect yorkie, that is how they become champions. see just as everything begins to die down and we're all being respectful to one another someone comes in and wants to stir things up again. if you have no new information to add to what has already been said then all you are doing is reiterating what has been repeated over and over. it was a good debate, but everything there is to say has already been said and those who could not think of anything new to add resorted to making comments that had nothing what so ever to do with the original debate. the debate is over. The viewers will draw their own conclusions. thank you Lorraine and Mardeline for the intellectual discussion. |
[QUOTE=JeanieK;1349474]yes partis and Biewers are the same dog in the respect that they both started from two traditional colored yorkies. But the Biewers would not allow the paties to be registered as Bioewers because they do not have Biewer parents. All show breeders should know that.d Jeanie not all show breeders should know that, I don't know anything to do with the Doberman...I'm not interested, I know very little with the Biewer. All we want is to be allowed to do with the partis what has been done with the biewers. as for what show breeders do for the breed I have never said it wasn't hard work or that it was unimportant. But I do believe that they do it for a hobby and a challenge to see if they can improve their own line. the breed itself has already had many examples of the perfect yorkie, that is how they become champions. You're wrong their is no or has there ever been a perfect yorkie or dog, no matter what breed. Even the breeders/and owners of these Champions can see how the dog can be improved on. And if they can't they are kennel blind. see just as everything begins to die down and we're all being respectful to one another someone comes in and wants to stir things up again. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
I have a problem with those johnny come latelys that come in to a debate at the end, and start repeating things that have already be discussed or making assumptions as to what my intentions, for want to breed the partis, are. perhaps I do get a little rude and impatient with them. I am not worried about what others are doing, but it certainly appears like there are plenty of people who are worried about what I m doing, to the point that they are telling me why I am doing it and what my intentions are. I'm just waiting for them to tell me what I am going to do with the fortune that I make from selling my "rare" dogs at exhorbetant prices. |
[QUOTE=Mardelin;1349486] Quote:
|
boy, talk about getting off topic!!!! We are all quilty of that in this thread. mary is right. just when things die down and people are playing nice, here comes someone along that hasn't been on the thread until today and tries to dredge the whole mess up again. with this reminder, I am moving on. here is the original question: Post number one The pet store who also breeds yorkie is very excited that he will have a chocolate yorkie which he claims to be very rare, I am looking for a second yorkie for my tanner to have a playmate, but I am not sure I would want and I never heard of a chocolate yorkie!!! what do everyone think? |
[QUOTE=JeanieK;1349506] Quote:
I should be allowed to breed and develop my dogs, just as you show breeders do. I don't need a judge to tell me that my dogs aren't perfect, I already know that. |
Quote:
|
[QUOTE=JeanieK;1349506] Quote:
No, what a judge is for is to gain approval of your breeding quality dogs Showing is not for everybody, as breeding for the soul purpose for selling puppies is not for everybody (I know I can't do it, since I want to keep everything that is bred in my house, that is why I breed on a minimal basis). But, showing has educated me in what to strive for in my line. As some one else on YT said they have been on both ends of the spectrum and their eyes were opened when they began to show, and how her cute little female, was just that and no where near the standard. Dog showing is a sport and not for everyone, but it is a well respected sport, that has been in affect for centuries or at least a couple |
Quote:
I vote this subject be brought up on another thread.....But, as an educational tool. With questions and answers. I'm always interested in learning. |
color nazi Well, someone has to be a color nazi!!!!!!!!!!! Someone has to be a correct structure nazi!!!!!! If it werent for the dedicated breeder nazi's, the yorkie wouldnt be in existance. Neither would ANY other breeds that are a registered breed of today. These are ALL man made breeds. If Hitler were still alive and well, we would all be blond haired and blue eyed. I guess he was trying to perfect the human race, just as breeders are trying to perfect a certain breed. Thank God he is dead, now we just have to deal with PETA. You may try to hide your snide remarks about show breeders(some are not hidden at all) but its your inuendo thatseasy to see. And if the parti gene is sooooooooooooooooooooooo hard to trace and will never be discovered, than how do you even know if Biewers, parti's, chocolates are not mixes of only a few years ago? Let me know when you have 100% conclusive proof that parti's are not a recent mix. And I will let you know when I am 100% positive also. Like I said, I will never change your mind and you will never change mine. Thank God for the past and present dedicated Yorkie breeders! |
Quote:
I hope your question has been answered and you make up your own mind what kind of puppy you would like to have. I think the one thing that everyone can possibly agree on is, don't let someone rip you off with the "rare" word. Good luck in finding a playmate. |
breeders only making money I think you are mistakened in your thinking that breeders are LYING about making money breeding dogs. Almost every penny "made" on a litter, if they are even sold and not shown, is put back into the dogs. We are lucky to break even. I think you are the one just getting into showing. It is not cheap to show a dog yourself, let alone hire a handler. I have to work for a living and am not able to attend enough shows to finish a dog myself. So, I have to hire a handler. Just about the only people making any money in the sport of showing dogs are the handlers, the vendors and the dog food distributors. |
[QUOTE=yorkiekist;1349574] If Hitler were still alive and well, we would all be blond haired and blue eyed. I guess he was trying to perfect the human race, just as breeders are trying to perfect a certain breed. Thank God he is dead, now we just have to deal with PETA. Im soooo hoping this has just been badly worded, it has to be THE worst thing i have ever read on YT. :thumbdown |
Quote:
|
| All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:47 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use