Alright Everyone~

[crystalsmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

I agree Pm's should stay private, But when you have someone pming everyone just because they dont like what they posted and then keep pming them and bring their dogs into it, well that stupid stuff that needs to stop. and that person needs to grow up. all I said was Id notice my dogs at first glance, whats so wrong about that?

I do understand what you are saying, I had something pulled on me too but I just considered the source and let it go.

Since this is going to be my last post on this thread I would like to point out that most of the pickering was between the people actually looking for Zeke
with a few (but very few) that were thought negative but really just another opinion.

I hope and pray Zeke is in a good home getting lots of love.

[yorkiegirl83]

Just wanted to say that I'm sorry Tahoe did not turn out to be Zeke.

I'm keeping him in my thoughts <3

[txshopper73]

What a long and emotional thread. I hope that Zeke will eventually be found. Seems fishy to me that a van was there and possibly dogs taken from the property. This person knows that you're on to them and is taking precautions to not be caught with the "goods". Good luck in your endeavors!

[Donna Jean]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Well - as much as I hope and wish little Zeke is found - this thread has been very hard to follow & a bit over the top at times

I want to say this and hope it doesn't sound negative.... but I sure wish some of the energy and work spent to help this little guy was also devoted to getting some of these horrible Mills shut down - imagine what ya'll could do if you put your efforts into that ??? There's so many dogs out there needing saving

I couldn't agree with you more, as a matter of fact I and BettyAnn were very interested in getting puppy mills closed, and no one was interested! All anyone wanted to do was argue, about wheather to get a dog from a pet store or breeder, finally we both lost interest, It's sad, that is also why I was so concerned about the other dogs on the property, I wanted to make sure the lady got closed down and the dogs that were on her property were removed, they just let all those poor animals slip through their fingers.

I suggested for a start, that everyone, that knew of a breeder in their area, that was advertising puppies, that someone in that area call the breeder and make an appoitment to see the puppies, it the conditions were not up to par, or the puppies or adults did not look healthy to turn them in to a rescue group or to the State or AKC, It's sad that thread just did not come together, it was one of the first thread's that I thought would make a difference, and I was sad no one really wanted to do a thing.

If we had the kind of power here to get them closed down, it would make my life!!!!! Just going after them one at a time, it would have been so easy, as all you have to do is make a couple of complaints about the number of dogs on the property, and Animal Control has to check it out, if they find anything that they can see without enterting the property they will be turned in and a warrant can be issued to get the dogs removed.

Sadly after all the time spent on this thread, the Modesto Police really did not care to do anything envolving a dog, they just did not care. It was so sad, the Grandmother did have several dogs on her property, illegal, they were not well cared for, and no one could get a search warrant and the police wanted nothing to do with the case. Animal Control is the middle man, if Animal Control is allowed in the house and conditions warrant, they can get the dogs on the spot. However most people will not answer the door if they see Animal Control out there, and their are soooooooooo many puppy mills that there are not enough people in charge to do a thing about it. The State is very short handed, so is AKC, and the rescue groups need Animal Control behind them, their are just not enough Animal Control's to handle things.

Any ideas on your part would be very appreciated. It is a wonderful goal, and we have enough good hearted people on theis forum to make a difference!

[SophieRose]

If you put yourself in Maureen's shoes (and I hope you never have the opportunity) and reading the demeaning remarks by a few who post to this thread, my heart would be broken even further.

Please stop attacking each other and Maureen. Wouldn't you be desperate to identify your stolen pup, searching from a distance and hoping that Zeke is the one in the group? I would...the devastation she must feel is overwhelming.

My suggestion is to leave this thread to the few who are actually involved in helping Maureen with her rescue efforts.

Thank you. Deborah

[Ichabob]

I will help with the puppy mills, I try last weekend at the flea market to warn people they were buying from a puppy mill, I was ask to leave. these are some rough looking people at these places, flea market owners do not care as long as they are paid for the space, as for as spca, they told me if they water and food in their cages their were nothing they could do, puppies look ok no hair misisng no mange so their hands were tie, we have just move to ms. so I don't what the law is here, I do know that they are still over run with dogs from the hurricane. the shelter here has been know to have parvo
in their shelter. It seems that nobody really cares about the animals.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by SophieRose

If you put yourself in Maureen's shoes (and I hope you never have the opportunity) and reading the demeaning remarks by a few who post to this thread, my heart would be broken even further.

Please stop attacking each other and Maureen. Wouldn't you be desperate to identify your stolen pup, searching from a distance and hoping that Zeke is the one in the group? I would...the devastation she must feel is overwhelming.

My suggestion is to leave this thread to the few who are actually involved in helping Maureen with her rescue efforts.

Thank you. Deborah

If I lost a pet I too would be heart broken, some of us are just posting our thoughts and prayers. daiseymae is the one pming everyone and getting stuff started. we have a right to our own opions and I think all anyone wants is for Zeke to return home. No one would be getting all upset if she would just stop. Im not the only one shes pmed she needs get back to the topic and use some of that energy on finding Zeke.Thats whats important here.

[crystalsmom]

ooops this is not a post just an edit since I could not edit now. I guess you know but maybe not, my pickering meant bickering. typo

[Galatea]

I personally do not think unprovoked bullying, harassing, and name calling PM's sent by others should be kept private. I do no think it is a violation of the bully/abuser's privacy to expose the content. Often people who act out via PM do so so they can hide behind the label of the "privacy".

I liken PM bullying and the rule to keep it private to a batterer telling an abuse victim that they should keep the abuse to themselves and that they should put on long sleeve shirts so the bruises don't show.


THREAD SUMMARY ABOUT ZEKE SEARCH

Maureen got a lead that a neighbor was seen with a dog that looked like Zeke. When she interviewed the neighbor she thought it was suspicious that the dog was not there and that a child there saw Zeke's missing poster and said Zeke looked like his grandmother's dog "Tahoe". Maureen thought the child's father behaved strange when this happened.

Using information about the neighbors house and cars, I found out where the grandmother lived. Maureen went there and thought she saw several yorkies in what she thought were bad conditions. Of those Yorkies only ONE could have been Zeke that she saw, but she could not be sure if it was him or not.

Animal control and the police arrived and the conditions were not bad enough that they could enter the house and take any dogs or issue any citations. They could not help her check the one dog that looked like Zeke because no one was home and they would need a warrant without a consent search by the owner.

Animal control went the next day hoping to catch someone home so that the yorkie that Maureen thought was hers could be scanned. Maureen would be contacted if any dogs there were removed who had a chip in them that matched Zekes chip. Maureen was not called.

The next day, Maureen and I went to the house and knocked on the door. Two grandchildren let us in and we saw several mixed breed puppies form one litter, the mother of the puppies, not a yorkie and the father of the litter a yorkie. (I posted picutres of these animals) Maureen handled the animal and felt that it was not neutered. Based on this she knew it could not be Zeke. I asked one of the grandchildren what the dogs name was and he said "Tahoe".

We therefore know that a dog named "Tahoe" who she thought could be Zeke lead her to this location, and a dog named "Tahoe" who she felt and handled was not Zeke. That means this house is a dead lead.

I asked Maureen if it was possible that any other dog she had seen earlier could have been Zeke and she said no.

There is a discrepancy between us as to the conditions of the animals we observed at the house and of whom pictures have been posted on this thread. Despite this discrepancy, the conditions are not such that animal control would take any of the dogs who remain there and are not Zeke.

[Donna Jean]

Originally Posted by SophieRose

If you put yourself in Maureen's shoes (and I hope you never have the opportunity) and reading the demeaning remarks by a few who post to this thread, my heart would be broken even further.

Please stop attacking each other and Maureen. Wouldn't you be desperate to identify your stolen pup, searching from a distance and hoping that Zeke is the one in the group? I would...the devastation she must feel is overwhelming.

My suggestion is to leave this thread to the few who are actually involved in helping Maureen with her rescue efforts.

Thank you. Deborah

Deborah, you are the sweetest and most compasionate person, it is so nice to have you in our corner! Thank you for your kindness, and good advice!!!!

[txshopper73]

Has anyone thought about going to the news media to gain some attention? Would that be beneficial in this situation? Just a thought.

[wemple2]

Originally Posted by SophieRose

If you put yourself in Maureen's shoes (and I hope you never have the opportunity) and reading the demeaning remarks by a few who post to this thread, my heart would be broken even further.

Please stop attacking each other and Maureen. Wouldn't you be desperate to identify your stolen pup, searching from a distance and hoping that Zeke is the one in the group? I would...the devastation she must feel is overwhelming.

My suggestion is to leave this thread to the few who are actually involved in helping Maureen with her rescue efforts.

Thank you. Deborah

Brilliantly said...I admire your wisdom, your faith and your sincerity...Please keep praying that Maureen does find Zeke, and she is able to bring him home.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart...As Ever, Kathy

[Galatea]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Has anyone thought about going to the news media to gain some attention? Would that be beneficial in this situation? Just a thought.

Please note that Maureen has posted that she wants to keep her search private now.

Maureen was approached with a very generous offer from a member who is a reporter in another area of the country with affiliates in Maureen's area. They have each others contact information and have been in private communication.

[daisy mae06]

Originally Posted by SophieRose

If you put yourself in Maureen's shoes (and I hope you never have the opportunity) and reading the demeaning remarks by a few who post to this thread, my heart would be broken even further.

Please stop attacking each other and Maureen. Wouldn't you be desperate to identify your stolen pup, searching from a distance and hoping that Zeke is the one in the group? I would...the devastation she must feel is overwhelming.

My suggestion is to leave this thread to the few who are actually involved in helping Maureen with her rescue efforts.

Thank you. Deborah

And this is Why Maureen Does not want to post any more She was hurt by posts made. When I sent the PM's They were sent letting the members who posted know How hard it is on Maureen When you acuse her of Lying (even if you don't say lie) the word peculiar is the same thing. And so you know I showed Maureen all the things said and she did agree with me.

Yorkieshadow. I do want to say I am sorry. I and Maureen were hurt by what you posted and when I posted about if anything would ever happen to your dogs That was wrong and when you are upset you say things that you would never ever say otherwise.

This thread was started to Keep everyone positve. WHAT HAPPENED??????
Why can't everyone just stay focused and positive?? why post remarks about things that can hurt people?????

[daisy mae06]

Originally Posted by wemple2

Brilliantly said...I admire your wisdom, your faith and your sincerity...Please keep praying that Maureen does find Zeke, and she is able to bring him home.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart...As Ever, Kathy