My baby is missing I need help!

[Bruce's_Mom]

I am just trying to say, things like following kids not okay, letting people know that a group of adults are likely hiding your dog just fine in my opinion...Now with that said, that was certainly a poorly drafted statement, and the two clauses should not be together. My intent is simply to state no one should really feel bad about "turning up the heat" on these folks so long as they leave kids out of the equation and use legal means, and that they are not publishing anything slanderous here so long as they believe these folks have the dog.

I in know way equated this situation to a murder. I simply stated that it is not the job of all police to investigate violent crimes. In police departments a number of officers in most police departments are reserved for PURE property crimes, and if they are not doing their jobs or respecting the laws they are to enforce due to the nature of the property who is to say folks should not complain about those particular officers? My bet is that the police officer complained about is not a homicide detective, now if it were folks should complain about why that person is not out catching killers.

It only seems to me that these folks should not be detered from searching out Zeke and getting him back to his rightful owners even if it may be distasteful to some to try and track the person who has him down.

Just my OPINION!!! I know everyone has different one's and I am not trying to put those opinions down!

[kat1york]

Originally Posted by Gypsy & Me

I stated many times in my post that my opinion was not that Zeke was just a dog and I my original point in reguards to the police was that I found it ridiculas that someone was comparing this to being as equally important as murderers, rapest, etc... Yet you choose to pick the one sentance from my post that makes me sound like I am agreeing with the statement you quoted me on! I also never said that people didn't have the right to complain either!

The people who I said were slandered that you also picked up on was ONE person who I said posted something simliar and was slandered for it... maybe you misread my post about that point and I was the second member to of said the person was slandered after posting.

I never mentioned anything about anyone putting pressure on anyone and I don't see what relevance this has to do with my point about approaching children. You're paragraph on the otherhand seems to be condonning it though saying that if you feel someone is in the wrong then this is acceptable. If this isn't how that sentance is suppose to then I've obviously misread but that is how it reads to me.

This is what I don't want to happen.
We shouldn't argue these silly points, but unite together and perhaps give suggestions to one another... istead of pointing the finger at he said she said.
Again, everyones entitled to their opinion but please be less judging while giving your opinion.
I see your from the UK???
My adopted, dear, dad is English...
Always loved his accent....I wish I had it.
He sounds brilliant when he speaks.
Hey I though the English were laid back folks???
Just a joke to lighten the mood.
Cheerio, Luv.
Kat

[Donna Jean]

Originally Posted by Gypsy & Me

Firstly I want to express my concern for the safe return of Zeke to Maureen, I could think of nothing better than for her to be reunited with her baby.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this post but I really am amazed and disappointed at some peoples complete disreguard for things.

My first concern is how many of you encouraged for someone to question the small child!!!!!!! WTH! How would you feel if a stranger walked up to your child and started asking them questions? Whether you feel the child's family has broken the law or not this is completely unacceptable! If that wasn't bad enough someone suggested following the child to school in an attempt to find out their name! This is soooo morally wrong yet the amount of people agreeing with it was unbelievable!

What then astonded me was how later on in the thread someone suggested contacting a medium and someone else said it was wrong in the Lord's eyes... what, and harrassing a child for information or following them isn't???

The personal information posted! OMG, someone else mentioned this and said how it was unfair if it turned out they didn't have Zeke and you've posted all this stuff about them and that person was then slandered! Certain people needed to go back and read this post... what she said I agree with 100%. Yes, we all are praying for Zeke's safe return but why do we need to be publicly, not only nationally but internationally, relay information on them? Photos of their homes, addresses... is all that really neccessary... there is NO substanial proof that these people have Zeke. Someone saying he saw a simliar looking dog and then a small child saying it was such and such a dog is not substanial - no matter how bad the look was the father gave the child! Which, btw, Maureen originally said was as if to tell the kid to be quiet, it got changed to look that could kill somewhere through the thread!

Stating that the police are useless, lazy, disinterested... hang on, they have jobs to do... as much as we all have to admit it, someones dog, whether it be living in the yard or in the home as a family member, will always be looked upon in the eyes of the law as just what it is... a dog. I'm not saying this is right or wrong but I do think that it is wrong of the amount of people that have said it is just as much as a priority as finding murderers, rapists, child aducters, etc.... I'm sorry, but how on earth does this compare?? They are or a completely different and more serious nature. How would you feel if a member of your family was murdered and the police didn't respond ASAP because they were dealing with a missing dog? Not too happy I'd imagine.

Yes, Zeke is a much loved and missed family member and I'm not disputing that with my previous comments... I'm stating how it is seen in the laws eyes as still just a missing dog and as Zeke wasn't taken from Maureen's property then it's not theft, the dog was found and not handed in, it's different and by no means anywhere near being the same. Again, I'm not stating that this is my opinion or indeed fair by any means. I'd be just as torn up as Maureen if my Gypsy was missing and someone had her... by no means is she just a dog to me.

My last point is that it turned out the houses that were being watched were not where Zeke was being held... in fact, Maureen was told by a neighbour of one that an elderly couple lived there who were both fraile and suffered from Altzehiemers and frequently falls... talk about vunerable people! There was everyone all set and ready to go jumping the fences into these peoples yards! I'm sure the police would of looked kindly on that.

Boy I sure hope you feel a lot better,!!!!!! ,this is a very long post, and you only managed to pull up all the bad things, so many good things are happening, and no child has ever been questioned, or followed period!!!!! The child we are talking about is 12 years old. Did you forget to read the posts that said keep the children out of everything, this is a job for the police and professionals, we are all really trying to keep this post positive, and Maureen spirits up. I don't know of one single person who has been harassed, or even spoken to in a way of being accused of anything. We are all just sharing thoughts and Ideas, and nothing bad has ever happened to anyone as a result of this thread. Not one Person has been accused. And I will tell you that yes we have a right to be upset about not hearing anything from the police, the least they could do is let us know that they are not available so we could go else where for help. We all pay our taxes which support the police force, and believe it or not they do owe us an explanation as to why they can not even answer a simple call or return a call. We are not in NY, this Modesto, a very small town, with not a lot going on. We could have been referred to someone else, surly their is just not one officer that we have to use in this case. They have caused us to try to solve this case from afar, and do what ever we can think of to get ZEKE back because they can not even return a phone call. So try to climb down from your high horse, and be fair to the whole thread before you start pointing fingers, we are doing the best we can to stay positive and give support, your post has done nothing at all to do anything but tell us we are a bunch of jerks. Sorry if I can not take your post seriously as you just do not know what the heck you are talking about!!!!!!!!! Sorry you have not something better to do than bad mouth a group of people who have been forced to do the work and finance outside help to get this puppy home. If the police were on board. We would not have to go to extreme measures. We are all just trying to find something anything to help bring ZEKE home. No address have ever been posted just areas of interest, and not one person has been harassed, or followed, or questioned. So until that happens, I wouldn't worry quite so much, and try to focus on all the good that is coming from the post. We will get this case solved, with or without the police, so until you know the whole story, please just keep your negitive thoughts to yourself.


Talking about things to let off steam, and actually doing them are two different things, a lot of what we were saying was in a joking matter, like cutting wires, and hollering fire, to get everyone out of their house. Believe me we were not serious. If anything has actually happened to warrant your negitive accusations then please keep them to yourself. No one has ever been harassed or harmed in any way because of our posts. Sorry you can not see the good in anything that has happened because of a lot of loving and caring people coming in from all parts of the world to offer support, gifts, love, and understanding of what we are all going through to get this case solved.
Thank you,
Donna Jean

[Galatea]

Under CA law it is a theft if you appropriate property knowing it belongs to someone else and do not make reasonable efforts to locate the true owner. The problem here is that no one knows that whoever now has Zeke reasonably believes that the dog belongs to someone else. Many pages ago it was firmly believed that a blond woman was selling Zeke in front of a Walmart. The people who purchased Zeke would then not reasonably believe that the dog was appropriated. Maureen does not believe there is a connection between the Tahoe people and the blond woman, but who knows for sure.

If the people who have Zeke, did not get it from the blond woman, then we must remember how sure everyone has been in the past that Zeke was at that Walmart being sold and that this mirrors the level of sureness that Zeke is with the Grandmother of this kid.

Given the weakness of the evidence at this state, it is troublesome that people are suggesting that others engage in felonious conduct in order to confirm that Zeke is or isn't at some location. No one has a right to trespass, physically touch another and grab a dog they think might be Zeke, or badger and follow a child in the name of finding Zeke. The right to find Zeke ends where the rights of others begins.

I am sorry that these houses turned out to be dead leads. Hopefully, when the PI gets back into town, we can find out where the child's grandmother actually lives and get some photos.

[Gypsy & Me]

Originally Posted by Donna Jean

Boy I sure hope you feel a lot better,!!!!!! ,this is a very long post, and you only managed to pull up all the bad things, so many good things are happening, and no child has ever been questioned, or followed period!!!!! The child we are talking about is 12 years old. Did you forget to read the posts that said keep the children out of everything, this is a job for the police and professionals, we are all really trying to keep this post positive, and Maureen spirits up. I don't know of one single person who has been harassed, or even spoken to in a way of being accused of anything. We are all just sharing thoughts and Ideas, and nothing bad has ever happened to anyone as a result of this thread. Not one Person has been accused. And I will tell you that yes we have a right to be upset about not hearing anything from the police, the least they could do is let us know that they are not available so we could go else where for help. We all pay our taxes which support the police force, and believe it or not they do owe us an explanation as to why they can not even answer a simple call or return a call. We are not in NY, this Modesto, a very small town, with not a lot going on. We could have been referred to someone else, surly their is just not one officer that we have to use in this case. They have caused us to try to solve this case from afar, and do what ever we can think of to get ZEKE back because they can not even return a phone call. So try to climb down from your high horse, and be fair to the whole thread before you start pointing fingers, we are doing the best we can to stay positive and give support, your post has done nothing at all to do anything but tell us we are a bunch of jerks. Sorry if I can not take your post seriously as you just do not know what the heck you are talking about!!!!!!!!! Sorry you have not something better to do than bad mouth a group of people who have been forced to do the work and finance outside help to get this puppy home. If the police were on board. We would not have to go to extreme measures. We are all just trying to find something anything to help bring ZEKE home. No address have ever been posted just areas of interest, and not one person has been harassed, or followed, or questioned. So until that happens, I wouldn't worry quite so much, and try to focus on all the good that is coming from the post. We will get this case solved, with or without the police, so until you know the whole story, please just keep your negitive thoughts to yourself.


Talking about things to let off steam, and actually doing them are two different things, a lot of what we were saying was in a joking matter, like cutting wires, and hollering fire, to get everyone out of their house. Believe me we were not serious. If anything has actually happened to warrant your negitive accusations then please keep them to yourself. No one has ever been harassed or harmed in any way because of our posts. Sorry you can not see the good in anything that has happened because of a lot of loving and caring people coming in from all parts of the world to offer support, gifts, love, and understanding of what we are all going through to get this case solved.
Thank you,
Donna Jean

Maybe you should go back and re read my post... I think you will then see I started off my saying how much I hoped Zeke would be found and reunited with Maureen, at one point I expressed how I should feel if I lost Gypsy...

I was critising no one or anything about the effort people had put... I merely stating how I feel it to be so morally wrong for so many to say about questioning or following children, and yes you're right, no one did follow or question them but to even suggest someone do it is ridiculas. Whether the child was 12 or 6 is irrevelant, they are a minor not the less and I would be horrifed at the concept of someone questioning my child! I saw not one post that said to keep children out of this, maybe you would care to hunt them down and PM them to me and in which case I will apologise for missing them but as I read the thread from begining to end this evening I would remember reading one clearly.

I also stated that my opinion, and I continue to reiterate this, was NOT that Zeke is just a dog but that is how the law will see it. I also never said no one had a right to be upset about the police not returning calls.

As for being on my high horse and not knowing what the heck I'm talking about as you so put it... well, I'm expressing my opinion so I think that qualifies me perfectly well in knowing what I'm talking about! In all my time on YT I have never come across such a rude post aimed at myself!

[Tulip]

Donna Jean:

Your harsh rebuttal to Gypsy & Me, is most uncalled for, she was stating her opinion and nothing more.

This is the problem with this particular site, your attempt to justified your own actions is questionable.

I sat here on my backside yesterday, and I called the Modesto Police and contacted someone on this board to give them the number and name of someone whom, I thought would be able to help bring the puppy home.

It is a know fact that the Modesto Police have always seem to be a blundering police department. No this is not gossip, I watch CNN too.

Kindly think twice before you lash out at others for posting there simple opinions.

I suspect that you will last out at me next, and that's fine, but please note that I will allow you the very democracy, that you seem to disallow for others to freely express their opinions.

Tulip

[reeses]

We need all the positive attitude we can get in order to get Zeke back to his loving mama. I pray that we will have some great news today!!

[Donna Jean]

Originally Posted by Proud Mommy

This is so sweet... What an amazing bond you have with your dad

Kat1,

I was also adopted by my father, and feel the same about him as you do about your dad. It was the greatest blessing in my whole life to have my dad in my life till I was 33 years old. I can tell by the closeness you have to your dad you feel the very same way. I am so happy for you and the blessing of a father you have!!!!!

[JeanieK]

Here's an idea,. If you get an address, make up a card for a free photo session for your dog in your home blah blah blah, with a number to call to set up an appointment.

Then when they make the appointment you get to see the dog, if it's not Zeke, you can drop the camera or something to make believe it got broken and you have to reschedule.

[saphire]

Please don't argue guys. I have not been on YT tonight, my son was hogging the 'puter and now having read these posts my stomach is in a knot. Imagine what it will do to Maureen.

I hope my joking about going to the house as phone man, ambulance man etc did not upset anyone - I was just joking - to cheer up myself and anyone else,
sometimes we say dilly things!

Rather say a prayer and light a candle for Zeke

[Gypsy & Me]

Originally Posted by Galatea

Given the weakness of the evidence at this state, it is troublesome that people are suggesting that others engage in felonious conduct in order to confirm that Zeke is or isn't at some location. No one has a right to trespass, physically touch another and grab a dog they think might be Zeke, or badger and follow a child in the name of finding Zeke. The right to find Zeke ends where the rights of others begins.

This is exactly what I was saying and that it is wrong.... yet, I feel that no one will be flaming you for saying this as you have been helping.

[Donna Jean]

[QUOTE=Tulip;1273224]Donna Jean:

Your harsh rebuttal to Gypsy & Me, is most uncalled for, she was stating her opinion and nothing more.

This is the problem with this particular site, your attempt to justified your own actions is questionable.

I sat here on my backside yesterday, and I called the Modesto Police and contacted someone on this board to give them the number and name of someone whom, I thought would be able to help bring the puppy home.

It is a know fact that the Modesto Police have always seem to be a blundering police department. No this is not gossip, I watch CNN too.

Kindly think twice before you lash out at others for posting there simple opinions.

I suspect that you will last out at me next, and that's fine, but please note that I will allow you the very democracy, that you seem to disallow for others to freely express their opinions.

Tulip[


Thank you for your positive time you have spent on this case, and for the two numbers that were given.!!!!

Donna Jean

[kat1york]

I sure hope no one isn't leaving this thread.
We sure could use all the help we need.
Kat

[crystalsmom]

I have been following this thread but saying very little.

I remember at one point someone saying they thought it would be good to send a child up to the house to get orders for cookies and get a good look in the house. I did post I felt it was not the place for a child to be doing this.

You are a wonderful group of woman who mean well but I think ' Gypsy & Me' and 'Tulip' do have many very good points but like me that does not mean that we are not praying every day that little Zeke is found. Post a reward and that may be what the person that has Zeke is waiting for, just maybe??

[saphire]

I'm still here Kat, but its bed time (1.37am)

Hope everyone is in good spirits tomorrow.

"As I lay my head to sleep.....please bring Zeke home for his Mom to keep"