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Debr · 05-24-2005, 09:46 PM

Now that I cleared that up (above). I thought this seemed like a nice friendly board to share and get advice on a breed i really know very little about. Somewhere to share her photos ,growing up cuties, with people whom also share their hearts with the same breed of dog. I dont see the welcome wagon I do see a bunch of torches and some people on some witch hunt.

Before assuming all people are stupid out buying mill puppies-maybe get to know them a little. As is my case I do know the owners of my dogs parents even if from an "evil" pet store, I do know the entire history of their store since the day it was opened, I do know the owners well enough that I do trust them 110pct.

Im not about to be taken by some breeder again-ever. It was an expensive experience in my wallet and my heart. Crying daily for 4 months-knowing I couldn't keep my dog in my residential neighborhood and around my kids, knowing I had to send him somewhere safe for him. I cried for hours everyday for 4months-I paid for paying a "show line"breeder with all the nice little plaques, awards, letters of recommendation. I paid with a piece of my heart that will never be returned-you see I loved that dog deeply, the school I took him to to keep trying to socialize him said they had never seen a dog so proud to be with his owner nor loved his owner as deeply as my dog loved me. We were as bonded as it gets. I will never recover from that experience, I will never have that void filled as it has been several years and it hurts just as much as back then, I have been scarred-so yes I am anti breeder unless I know them well or someone I trust knows them well. I will never again be the fool.

Laura · 05-24-2005, 09:47 PM

Way back, I got a "baby powder" conditioner at Petsmart or Petco - for dogs. I loved them to smell like babies, and it did seem to make Zowie's hair more managable. The thing I love about tiny dogs is you can afford to feed them the best food because they eat so little (in comparison to a German Shepherd I had - I could barely move those bags to the bottom of the cart and then to heave them to my trunk - I fed him purina one, but it was a budget item.

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Where are you Debr? We have a pet shop sorta like that here in Wylie - They sold exotic birds and had a list of the words each could say. It was a fun place to visit.

Laura · 05-24-2005, 10:01 PM

I also had a heartbreaking experience with a shi-zhu pup I received free from a neighbor of my mother. I believe Sparky was a badly bred, probably puppy mill pup. He was my 4 year old son's dog. We had to put him down at age 2.5 due to his vicious tendencies. I was so heartbroken. We spent several months, purchased a german shepherd for my son, gave Sparky to his dad (in our house), trying to ease the separation for my son. Sparky was blind and deaf, had allergies, but became more and more jumpy and would turn and attack unexpectedly. With much research, I wanted to make sure when he was put down, it would not be because he had maimed a child.

The reason I say this, is cute dogs (Yorkies now in the top 5 wanted breeds two years running-according to my husband) are always going to be top dogs in mills due to large demand. Many people cannot afford this type of dog, but they want them.

When we got ours, Sparky was heavy in my thoughts - I just wanted the dog I wanted and to be careful of where they came from and how they had been raised prior to my arrival.

I talk to much, but as out of control as this became, everyone here does have a kind heart and loves their dogs and others.

WhimsicalDaisy · 05-25-2005, 03:16 AM

DebR, I am so sorry the welcome wagon was hijacked!

My Max's coat was a lot like you describe when we first brought him home...seemed like he needed much more frequent bathing than he does now at 7 months. He tended to get that greasy look about every 5 days or so, which meant lots of baths.

His puppy coat was more wirey than he is now, too...he's very smooth & soft now, and hardly knots at all.

As far as coloring, he also has the silver showing through...I groomed him this past weekend & about 3/4 of each strand of hair was black, and the 1/4 closest to his skin was silver.

My friend has a Yorkie that's blonde & has the waviest, knot-prone hair...so very different from Max. But he's beautiful!

Best of luck to you with your new pup!

red98vett · 05-25-2005, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Debr

Now that I cleared that up (above). I thought this seemed like a nice friendly board to share and get advice on a breed i really know very little about. Somewhere to share her photos ,growing up cuties, with people whom also share their hearts with the same breed of dog. I dont see the welcome wagon I do see a bunch of torches and some people on some witch hunt.

Before assuming all people are stupid out buying mill puppies-maybe get to know them a little. As is my case I do know the owners of my dogs parents even if from an "evil" pet store, I do know the entire history of their store since the day it was opened, I do know the owners well enough that I do trust them 110pct.

Im not about to be taken by some breeder again-ever. It was an expensive experience in my wallet and my heart. Crying daily for 4 months-knowing I couldn't keep my dog in my residential neighborhood and around my kids, knowing I had to send him somewhere safe for him. I cried for hours everyday for 4months-I paid for paying a "show line"breeder with all the nice little plaques, awards, letters of recommendation. I paid with a piece of my heart that will never be returned-you see I loved that dog deeply, the school I took him to to keep trying to socialize him said they had never seen a dog so proud to be with his owner nor loved his owner as deeply as my dog loved me. We were as bonded as it gets. I will never recover from that experience, I will never have that void filled as it has been several years and it hurts just as much as back then, I have been scarred-so yes I am anti breeder unless I know them well or someone I trust knows them well. I will never again be the fool.

Hi - I posted against pet stores - but DID say that I commend you on how you went about it and congratulated you on your new puppy ...and I sincerely meant that -

It's not a witch hunt to want animal abuse to stop. It can't be said enough that Mills sell to Pet Stores... and In no way are people stupid - many are just unaware of how those puppies get to those stores....

and yes - this IS a subject that should have been in it's own thread - I agree - and I apologise if this affected you in any way - Please try to ignore the pm's I'm sure your getting - this is a nice site and we ALL are here out of love for our pets.

congratulations again on your new puppy - having a yorkie puppy is the best !

diva pup · 05-25-2005, 05:08 AM

Sorry i forgot the welcome wagon part. I was not condemning you for buying your pup from a pet store at all. Whats done is done and I hope you have a happy healthy yorkie!! But as far as the "witchhunt " thing, I am not sure what you are talking about. There was no witchhunt, just a few people expressing an opinion on something that is important to them.

whispersmom2 · 05-25-2005, 01:13 PM

I keep wondering why this person breeds a few toy breeds...like how many? And, why are the puppies taken to the pet store instead of having prospective buyers come to the home-the place where the puppies are supposed to live!! I personally, will defend any responsible, reputable, knowledgeable, caring person who breeds 1 0r 2 breeds in their home and sells the puppies as pets. This operation sounds like a bit more. I am not trying to be confrontational and sorry if someone sees it that way..

Laura · 05-26-2005, 06:22 PM

You must not live in a small town. People do it all the time, and where someone said a person would sell the dog with a huge profit margin, that is just not always the case. My five babies are not necessarily for sale. One of my girlfriends is dying to have one. She gave me twenty dollars today. It is not that she cannot afford to pay for a dog, they have plenty of money, it is a friend thing. At the pet store in our town, they would sell puppies on consigment and for 10-20%. A person could take them there temporarily, or daily . We (no me personally) sell puppies at the soccer field, at the grocery store, etc. Sometimes you would rather sell at a discount and know the owners of your babies. My girlfriend now has to buy an airline ticket to come get her puppy in two months. We are going to go shopping for a carrier, food, shampoo, etc. when she comes in in July. She will pay for all the puppy care between now and then. She knows I am giving her an expensive baby and that she must give it the most love in the world. All my children care about is that they know who will have them. I have two boys graduating from highschool in a year. Just putting a little country perspective in here.

LvMyYorki · 05-26-2005, 07:01 PM

I'm not trying to be confrontational either, but I can speak from my personal experience... I got Bunny from a breeder that lives in a very, very small town in Texas and I know for a fact that she would NEVER in a million years have her pups placed in a home that she had not personally okay'd. She drilled me with questions forever about training methods I used, my other Yorkie, myself, my lifestyle, how many hours a week I am away from the house for work and socially..... I had to send her pics of my house... You name it. And if I didnt provide her with the info, there is no way I would've been able to adopt one of her puppies.

Luvmypupster · 05-26-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LvMyYorki

I'm not trying to be confrontational either, but I can speak from my personal experience... I got Bunny from a breeder that lives in a very, very small town in Texas and I know for a fact that she would NEVER in a million years have her pups placed in a home that she had not personally okay'd. She drilled me with questions forever about training methods I used, my other Yorkie, myself, my lifestyle, how many hours a week I am away from the house for work and socially..... I had to send her pics of my house... You name it. And if I didnt provide her with the info, there is no way I would've been able to adopt one of her puppies.

You got Baby Bunny from a good breeder. There's another one around here that wants to do a home visit to make sure someone is suitable for one of her babies. I thought it was a bit much at first but the more I thought about it I thought it was a good thing.

Laura · 05-26-2005, 09:45 PM

I think it's time to go to sleep

jesscruz · 05-26-2005, 10:58 PM

i'm staying clear of this one

i just wish we could all just get along.

Marie · 05-26-2005, 11:24 PM

Debr, I wanted to welcome you to YT. Regarding to coats, MY gucci's hair seems to be soft after a bath but a cpl of days later doesnt looks as nice. I started her on Missing Link Suplement and that seem to help her. I also switch her food to a high quality one. Good luck with your little one. Looking forward to see pics of your baby.

Luvmypupster · 05-27-2005, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Laura

I think you are trying to be confrontational and doing it successfully, if not, you might need to practice your writing technique.

I'm confused?

who's being confrontational?

red98vett · 05-27-2005, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Laura

I think you are trying to be confrontational and doing it successfully, if not, you might need to practice your writing technique.

Confrontational ? I don't see it in that post at all....though that particular response was ...we all have our own style of writing - nothing bad was said in that post at all.

She only shared her personal experience ....extreme for a breeder maybe...and it's too bad there aren't more breeders out there like that. I know there never will be - but it's nice to hear about

05-24-2005, 09:47 PM	#47
Laura Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX Posts: 1,577	Way back, I got a "baby powder" conditioner at Petsmart or Petco - for dogs. I loved them to smell like babies, and it did seem to make Zowie's hair more managable. The thing I love about tiny dogs is you can afford to feed them the best food because they eat so little (in comparison to a German Shepherd I had - I could barely move those bags to the bottom of the cart and then to heave them to my trunk - I fed him purina one, but it was a budget item. ) Where are you Debr? We have a pet shop sorta like that here in Wylie - They sold exotic birds and had a list of the words each could say. It was a fun place to visit. __________________ Laura--loving mom of Robyn, Dexter, Sandy, Mattie, Sammy, Jake & Mollie http://www.yorkietalk.com/gallery/sh...00&ppuser=1851

05-24-2005, 10:01 PM	#48
Laura Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX Posts: 1,577	I also had a heartbreaking experience with a shi-zhu pup I received free from a neighbor of my mother. I believe Sparky was a badly bred, probably puppy mill pup. He was my 4 year old son's dog. We had to put him down at age 2.5 due to his vicious tendencies. I was so heartbroken. We spent several months, purchased a german shepherd for my son, gave Sparky to his dad (in our house), trying to ease the separation for my son. Sparky was blind and deaf, had allergies, but became more and more jumpy and would turn and attack unexpectedly. With much research, I wanted to make sure when he was put down, it would not be because he had maimed a child. The reason I say this, is cute dogs (Yorkies now in the top 5 wanted breeds two years running-according to my husband) are always going to be top dogs in mills due to large demand. Many people cannot afford this type of dog, but they want them. When we got ours, Sparky was heavy in my thoughts - I just wanted the dog I wanted and to be careful of where they came from and how they had been raised prior to my arrival. I talk to much, but as out of control as this became, everyone here does have a kind heart and loves their dogs and others. __________________ Laura--loving mom of Robyn, Dexter, Sandy, Mattie, Sammy, Jake & Mollie http://www.yorkietalk.com/gallery/sh...00&ppuser=1851

05-25-2005, 03:16 AM	#49
WhimsicalDaisy Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 220	DebR, I am so sorry the welcome wagon was hijacked! My Max's coat was a lot like you describe when we first brought him home...seemed like he needed much more frequent bathing than he does now at 7 months. He tended to get that greasy look about every 5 days or so, which meant lots of baths. His puppy coat was more wirey than he is now, too...he's very smooth & soft now, and hardly knots at all. As far as coloring, he also has the silver showing through...I groomed him this past weekend & about 3/4 of each strand of hair was black, and the 1/4 closest to his skin was silver. My friend has a Yorkie that's blonde & has the waviest, knot-prone hair...so very different from Max. But he's beautiful! Best of luck to you with your new pup! __________________ Lori & Max

05-26-2005, 06:22 PM	#53
Laura Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX Posts: 1,577	You must not live in a small town. People do it all the time, and where someone said a person would sell the dog with a huge profit margin, that is just not always the case. My five babies are not necessarily for sale. One of my girlfriends is dying to have one. She gave me twenty dollars today. It is not that she cannot afford to pay for a dog, they have plenty of money, it is a friend thing. At the pet store in our town, they would sell puppies on consigment and for 10-20%. A person could take them there temporarily, or daily . We (no me personally) sell puppies at the soccer field, at the grocery store, etc. Sometimes you would rather sell at a discount and know the owners of your babies. My girlfriend now has to buy an airline ticket to come get her puppy in two months. We are going to go shopping for a carrier, food, shampoo, etc. when she comes in in July. She will pay for all the puppy care between now and then. She knows I am giving her an expensive baby and that she must give it the most love in the world. All my children care about is that they know who will have them. I have two boys graduating from highschool in a year. Just putting a little country perspective in here. __________________ Laura--loving mom of Robyn, Dexter, Sandy, Mattie, Sammy, Jake & Mollie http://www.yorkietalk.com/gallery/sh...00&ppuser=1851

05-26-2005, 09:45 PM	#56
Laura Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX Posts: 1,577	I think it's time to go to sleep Last edited by Laura; 05-27-2005 at 04:06 AM.

05-24-2005, 09:46 PM	#46
Debr Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 86	Now that I cleared that up (above). I thought this seemed like a nice friendly board to share and get advice on a breed i really know very little about. Somewhere to share her photos ,growing up cuties, with people whom also share their hearts with the same breed of dog. I dont see the welcome wagon I do see a bunch of torches and some people on some witch hunt. Before assuming all people are stupid out buying mill puppies-maybe get to know them a little. As is my case I do know the owners of my dogs parents even if from an "evil" pet store, I do know the entire history of their store since the day it was opened, I do know the owners well enough that I do trust them 110pct. Im not about to be taken by some breeder again-ever. It was an expensive experience in my wallet and my heart. Crying daily for 4 months-knowing I couldn't keep my dog in my residential neighborhood and around my kids, knowing I had to send him somewhere safe for him. I cried for hours everyday for 4months-I paid for paying a "show line"breeder with all the nice little plaques, awards, letters of recommendation. I paid with a piece of my heart that will never be returned-you see I loved that dog deeply, the school I took him to to keep trying to socialize him said they had never seen a dog so proud to be with his owner nor loved his owner as deeply as my dog loved me. We were as bonded as it gets. I will never recover from that experience, I will never have that void filled as it has been several years and it hurts just as much as back then, I have been scarred-so yes I am anti breeder unless I know them well or someone I trust knows them well. I will never again be the fool.

05-25-2005, 05:08 AM	#51
diva pup BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,139	Sorry i forgot the welcome wagon part. I was not condemning you for buying your pup from a pet store at all. Whats done is done and I hope you have a happy healthy yorkie!! But as far as the "witchhunt " thing, I am not sure what you are talking about. There was no witchhunt, just a few people expressing an opinion on something that is important to them.

05-25-2005, 01:13 PM	#52
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I keep wondering why this person breeds a few toy breeds...like how many? And, why are the puppies taken to the pet store instead of having prospective buyers come to the home-the place where the puppies are supposed to live!! I personally, will defend any responsible, reputable, knowledgeable, caring person who breeds 1 0r 2 breeds in their home and sells the puppies as pets. This operation sounds like a bit more. I am not trying to be confrontational and sorry if someone sees it that way..

05-26-2005, 07:01 PM	#54
LvMyYorki Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 1,181	I'm not trying to be confrontational either, but I can speak from my personal experience... I got Bunny from a breeder that lives in a very, very small town in Texas and I know for a fact that she would NEVER in a million years have her pups placed in a home that she had not personally okay'd. She drilled me with questions forever about training methods I used, my other Yorkie, myself, my lifestyle, how many hours a week I am away from the house for work and socially..... I had to send her pics of my house... You name it. And if I didnt provide her with the info, there is no way I would've been able to adopt one of her puppies.

05-26-2005, 10:58 PM	#57
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,763	i'm staying clear of this one i just wish we could all just get along. __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear

05-26-2005, 11:24 PM	#58
Marie Mom loves Gucci Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 6,427	Debr, I wanted to welcome you to YT. Regarding to coats, MY gucci's hair seems to be soft after a bath but a cpl of days later doesnt looks as nice. I started her on Missing Link Suplement and that seem to help her. I also switch her food to a high quality one. Good luck with your little one. Looking forward to see pics of your baby. __________________ Huggies, Gucci and Marie http://www.dogster.com/?132187 "I have been egged"