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mmyorkies 05-13-2005 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chloeandj
But I guess it would be nice that when you do share that it isn't done in a way that feels like you are attacking. In the other thread about the mating problems, you posted without knowing anything about the person asking. She could have been a show breeder, mating her two show dogs for the first time or any other scenario.
The person that posted stated that she knew nothing about breeding and that she thought you could just put 2 dogs together. This scared me, I have owned large dogs all my life, and you pretty well could do that with them, but I just started in yorkies 8 years ago, and it is like 2 different worlds. I have already been through losing an entire litter, and losing a premie, and it is very dishearting to go through, but I was determined I would continue, and I kept researching for things I could do to assure my bitches health and that of the pups that I would produce. I have learned, and I will continue to learn every time I breed to produce a litter. I also know that any that I do produce, and if I sell any that I am still responsible for those puppies until they die. When I do sell one, it is in my contract that if for any reason what so ever, the buyer can not, or does not want to keep the dog, at any time during its life, it is to come back to me. Also, if it is discovered that the pup/dog is abused in any way I can take the dog back without refunding any of the purchase price and may even proscute the person. These are all things that have to be thought about too. I certainaly do not want any puppy that I produced to end up in a shelter, or worse in a puppymill.

YorkieRose 05-13-2005 08:27 AM

Jodi
 
JODI..my daughters name is Jodi..love it!!
Anyway..what is the plus side of breeding? It is lot so work, stress, money etc...this is one reason I do all possible to breed to the standard. Love of the breed is the other.
As a breeder I have an obligation to follow the "recipe" for making a Yorkie. No different then a builder..would you buy a house from a builder who said they did not use any plans..they just wing it and hope it comes out looking and functioning like a house..?
The standard takes into account more then looks...the unwritten parts speak loudly to me..in order for a Yrokie to be an excellent representation of the standard, it must be healthy and be of good temperment.

I do not think it is fair to take peoples money and not give them the best I can produce..we only have to read all the posts to know people are charged huge amounts of money and do not get a Yorkie that looks like a Yorkie.. I feel it is fraud. Why not save a mixed terrier from the pound in those cases?
I got to the point 20yrs ago I was tried of saying to myself my pups may not be bred to the standard, but they made great pets...you can do BOTH..breed a quality Yorkie who makes a terrific companion.

Maybe some would say it is pride, but love to look at a litter of nice pups and know I did not do any harm tot the breed I love so much. It is music to my ears when a pet owner gushes over their baby. I gave up trying to do alot of things half way when I found I can do this one thing well.

Breeze 05-13-2005 08:32 AM

Some of the posts in this thread are very hard to read, especially when they are long with no breaks in paragraphs. :(

chloeandj 05-13-2005 08:43 AM

Yorkierose, I could only hope to hear someone gush over a litter of pups that I produce someday. Of course I would want to breed to the standard as best as possible. I know it would be a great sense of pride to produce a beautiful litter after putting in a lot of hard work. I would be devastated to know that someone was disappointed with a pet purchased from me.

The only point I am trying to make is every breeder began ignorant about breeding. And that it would be nice to discuss breeding in a more comfortable way. I know how much I could learn from all of you.

(That's neat that your daughter is a Jodi too. I don't know any Jodi's, not a very popular name I guess.)

chloeandj 05-13-2005 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mmyorkies
The person that posted stated that she knew nothing about breeding and that she thought you could just put 2 dogs together. This scared me, I have owned large dogs all my life, and you pretty well could do that with them, but I just started in yorkies 8 years ago, and it is like 2 different worlds. I have already been through losing an entire litter, and losing a premie, and it is very dishearting to go through, but I was determined I would continue, and I kept researching for things I could do to assure my bitches health and that of the pups that I would produce. I have learned, and I will continue to learn every time I breed to produce a litter. I also know that any that I do produce, and if I sell any that I am still responsible for those puppies until they die. When I do sell one, it is in my contract that if for any reason what so ever, the buyer can not, or does not want to keep the dog, at any time during its life, it is to come back to me. Also, if it is discovered that the pup/dog is abused in any way I can take the dog back without refunding any of the purchase price and may even proscute the person. These are all things that have to be thought about too. I certainaly do not want any puppy that I produced to end up in a shelter, or worse in a puppymill.

You sound like such a responsible breeder, I want to commend you for that. I in no way wanted to insult you. There is just so much that can be learned from you and your experiences, I was hoping it would easier to bring up the subject of breeding and discuss. I am sorry for your very sad experiences and losses with your puppies. I am glad you have continued on.

mmyorkies 05-13-2005 08:56 AM

It is hard to just give information without giving the ins and outs. I have always tried to explain why, instead if just saying "you don't do that". When I am learing it is easier for me to learn if I am told the reason, instead of someone saying "just do it this way". I want to know why I should do it that way, and then if it makes sense I can understand it more clearly. This is why I try to say why someone should not just put 2 dogs together, or why they should not breed the tiny female they have.

Sidney 05-13-2005 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chloeandj
Yorkierose, I could only hope to hear someone gush over a litter of pups that I produce someday. Of course I would want to breed to the standard as best as possible. I know it would be a great sense of pride to produce a beautiful litter after putting in a lot of hard work. I would be devastated to know that someone was disappointed with a pet purchased from me.

The only point I am trying to make is every breeder began ignorant about breeding. And that it would be nice to discuss breeding in a more comfortable way. I know how much I could learn from all of you.

(That's neat that your daughter is a Jodi too. I don't know any Jodi's, not a very popular name I guess.)

Jodi... thats my dream too.... I do think that this forum accepts the breeding questions ALOT nicer than some others that I've been on...

Amazon loves me this week....I think I've ordered 3 books that have been recommended on this site. :)

jeanne
( I have a daughter Jodi too. :) )

chloeandj 05-13-2005 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sidney
I do think that this forum accepts the breeding questions ALOT nicer than some others that I've been on...

YES I totally agree with that. I also participate slightly on another forum. It's cut throat there. :rolleyes:

(So many Jodi's!, wow)

YorkieRose 05-13-2005 09:11 AM

breeding
 
Very true..we all had to start somewhere...but we don't all have to start at the same place. I wasted 10 yrs. trying to turn a "sow's ear into a silk purse". Sounds harsh, but it is the truth. The biggest mistake a novice makes is buying a male first...buy the best bitch you can afford, go to the best stud and go from there...don't lock yourself into a one stud while you are building a foundation of bitches. Some of the top winners were from breeders who bought stud service..plus, there are many show breeders who will help a novice improve. Many say they can't deal with snobbish show breeders..I am not interested in becoming a buddy, I am buying the services of a quality stud to improve my bloodline. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do..LOL

PS...I was going to name my Jodi, Sherrie Lynn, but the month before she arrived I told my husband she was not a Sherrie..she was Jodi..whatever a Jodi is!! LOL

SoCalyorkiLvr 05-13-2005 10:02 AM

I am so proud to be a member of YT!! This thread would never have stayed this civil, respectful and nice on any other forum and everyone who has posted is to be commended for stating their opinions, "biting their tongues" if necessary, and being so respectful of others.

I agree with Gina and this was a terrific thread,

LvMyYorki 05-13-2005 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I am so proud to be a member of YT!! This thread would never have stayed this civil, respectful and nice on any other forum and everyone who has posted is to be commended for stating their opinions, "biting their tongues" if necessary, and being so respectful of others.

I agree with Gina and this was a terrific thread,

Kim- Why must you always have to put other forums down? No one has said anything negative about anything, so can you please just let things go and let this be a thread about breeding and leave it at that?

chloeandj 05-13-2005 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose
Very true..we all had to start somewhere...but we don't all have to start at the same place. I wasted 10 yrs. trying to turn a "sow's ear into a silk purse". Sounds harsh, but it is the truth. The biggest mistake a novice makes is buying a male first...buy the best bitch you can afford, go to the best stud and go from there...don't lock yourself into a one stud while you are building a foundation of bitches. Some of the top winners were from breeders who bought stud service..plus, there are many show breeders who will help a novice improve. Many say they can't deal with snobbish show breeders..I am not interested in becoming a buddy, I am buying the services of a quality stud to improve my bloodline. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do..LOL

PS...I was going to name my Jodi, Sherrie Lynn, but the month before she arrived I told my husband she was not a Sherrie..she was Jodi..whatever a Jodi is!! LOL

Oh Yorkierose, can we clone you? You always have the best advice and I love your sayings!

I am wondering how does one go about finding an experienced mentor? At most dog shows I have attended, the people showing won't give me the time of day. While I do have good sources to ask questions to in my circle of friends, it would be nice to have someone actually take me under their wing that lived close to me. It would be nice to have a pro there to guide us with the first few breedings, whelpings and raising of pups. As you can only be so book smart. Is it common for a breeder to get calls from beginners seeking guidance?

I am actually not going to breed yorkies. My mother and I have always wanted to breed maltese. And will be starting with our first in the next year.

chloeandj 05-13-2005 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LvMyYorki
Kim- Why must you always have to put other forums down? No one has said anything negative about anything, so can you please just let things go and let this be a thread about breeding and leave it at that?

It has been my experience as well that other forums have been even more critical of any talk about breeding. Yorkietalk has been the best forum I have ever participated in. We should be proud of our community here.

LvMyYorki 05-13-2005 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chloeandj
It has been my experience as well that other forums have been even more critical of any talk about breeding. Yorkietalk has been the best forum I have ever participated in. We should be proud of our community here.

There are critical people everywhere. And from so many posts I have read on YT lately, everyone keeps saying how they want this to be a positive place and saying that new posters are starting trouble...if you want it to stay positive then you should be positive and not say negative things. I completely agree that you should be proud of the community here, but you can do so without putting other communities down. Why not say how proud you are to be member of YT and just leave it at that?

chloeandj 05-13-2005 10:39 AM

LvMyYorkie:

Funny, your participation in this thread was only a negative response, and it had nothing to do with breeding. Maybe you could take your own advice and be a little more postive and not so critical.

Time to bite my tongue...


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