Spay/ Neuter Contract - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Ladyhawk · 11-28-2006, 03:47 AM

How many of you bought your baby with a spay/neuter contract? Just taking a little poll!

FlDebra · 11-28-2006, 04:43 AM

I just bought two Yorkies this year from different breeders and no spay/neuter contract was mentioned. But I was upfront on the phone that I was looking for a Yorkie that would be within standards and able to breed eventually. The second breeder was a contact made by the first breeder. She actually took me over there. So, it might have been different if I was just showing up looking for a cute puppy. In fact, the first contract allowed for both choices.

This lady is very encouraging about my desire to some day breed my two. Yes, I am one of those "everyone and their grandmother" you mentioned in the other thread on this subject, that wants to breed Yorkies. Everyone has to start somewhere and I believe I am doing it responsibly. I am a LONG way from actually breeding them but I have plenty of time. I am retired, with my youngest son in high school and why not look into doing something that I would love? I have the means to care for them, the time to love and care for them, and plan on accumulating as much knowledge as possible before actually letting them mate. I have a lot of books to read, shows to attend, and brains to pick between then and now.

I do see from some of the posts here, that some are not being responsible breeders but sometimes it seems all are being discouraged from the experience. (Maybe I am being too sensitive?) All breeders were first-timers somewhere back in time. I will bet we will all learn along the way. Irresponsible breeders will probably STILL be irresponsible breeders with experience and those who choose to breed responsibly may make a little less $$ but will have so much more in heart and integrity!

I do think breeders need to be more honest about whether or not the puppies they sell should be bred. Spay/neuter contracts would be great if the breeders would just be upfront about their puppies that are not in standard. It took me quite some time to figure what to look for and be sure I was buying dogs with at least the potential to become future breeders. Even then, I relied on those with more experience to help.

My first Yorkie turned out to be one of the sweetest dogs I have ever loved, but she had a wavy coat, too short of a face and wound up over 7 lbs. We had her spayed, even though I would have loved to have puppies from her, especially since we lost her this past summer. She did not have a spay/neuter contract either -- and she should have. To tell the truth I doubt it would have stopped me from buying her -- her personality was just so sweet I would still have wanted her in the family.

Interesting topic -- I will check in to see what responses you get.

chachi · 11-28-2006, 05:28 AM

My breeder didnt have that. The breeder that I am getting My next one does and it doesnt matter to me. I get mine spayed and neutered

FlDebra · 11-28-2006, 09:28 PM

Just want to say that I was probably a little over-sensitive before when I posted. I have read through the other thread and some of your other posts -- I do understand your very valid concerns for the breed. I should not have tried to personalize it -- it is a Yorkie worldwide issue.

It is posts like yours that got me to look so carefully into what is or at least SHOULD BE considered before breeding Yorkies. There are way too many that seem to have lost the "Yorkie look."

Sorry to have "killed" a valid thread -- glad you had two of them.

Emmsmom · 11-29-2006, 03:27 AM

The breeder that I bought Diesel from didn't have one either. Had she wanted me to sign one I would have looked elsewhere. I have no desire to breed him but I still want the option. He isn't fixed (becuase he is so small) yet. He hasn't had to have his teeth cleaned yet because I brush them here at home. SOO he hasn't had to be put under. Plus I will be honest... I don't like the idea of someone telling me what I can and can't do with my little one.

Ladyhawk · 11-29-2006, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmsmom

The breeder that I bought Diesel from didn't have one either. Had she wanted me to sign one I would have looked elsewhere. I have no desire to breed him but I still want the option. He isn't fixed (becuase he is so small) yet. He hasn't had to have his teeth cleaned yet because I brush them here at home. SOO he hasn't had to be put under. Plus I will be honest... I don't like the idea of someone telling me what I can and can't do with my little one.

I understand that people like to feel that they are in charge of their pets future and decide their own options but look at it from a breeder's position as well. Not every dog that I produce will be show quality, you can breed for that but it just doesn't happen. When I sell a good pet quality pup how am I to protect the reputation of my kennel if it is bred to a poor quality yorkie and poor quality pups are produced? Good or bad, my name is still on the pedigree. If I'm going to put years of my life and untold amounts of money into a line of dogs how do I protect that line and the reputation of my kennel?

Emmsmom · 11-29-2006, 06:10 AM

I understand that. However, I still wouldn't pay as much as I did for a dog and then be told what I can and can't do with him. I would simply go to another breeder. You have to do what you feel is right for your kennel but as a buyer I have can look elsewhere.

makemepretty · 11-29-2006, 06:46 AM

Heck, if it'd lower the price I'd have no problem with that. I never plan on breeding an animal. Actually, I'd hate to inflict unnecessary pain on my pet so most likely I'd never go through with the spaying etc. and just let them keep the AKC papers, there's no chance of an 'accidental' pregnancy with not owning a male and them never having the chance to be around a male dog. There are too many animals out there in the world and too many breeders IMHO. However, if the seller does not want breeding to ever be an option then the price should be equal to an unregistered dog.

Nancy1999 · 11-29-2006, 08:22 AM

I bought Joey with a spay/neuter contract. To me, it shows that the breeder cares about what happens to these puppies. Also, she has worked very hard to establish her lines of beautiful healthy animals. I would much rather reward her for her years of dedication than someone who bought a couple of dogs from a puppymill and let them reproduce.

FlDebra, you sound like one of the responsible would-be breeders, doing your homework before deciding on this profession.

To do this job well, takes a lot of time, money and dedication. There are easier ways to earn money. It’s unfortunate that so many people just don’t do the job well.

Nancy

Jack'sMom · 11-29-2006, 01:23 PM

I have to send the breeder proof that he has been neutered before she'll send me his paperwork so that I can register him. I didn't have anything like that with my last Yorkie, so it was surprising at first. But then I realized it was for a good reason. She really cares about the breed and wants to know where her line continues. And if I wanted to breed, I would have no problem paying a fee for that right.

Interesting question.

puppylove17 · 11-29-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmsmom

The breeder that I bought Diesel from didn't have one either. Had she wanted me to sign one I would have looked elsewhere. I have no desire to breed him but I still want the option. He isn't fixed (becuase he is so small) yet. He hasn't had to have his teeth cleaned yet because I brush them here at home. SOO he hasn't had to be put under. Plus I will be honest... I don't like the idea of someone telling me what I can and can't do with my little one.

I have to agree with Emmasmom on this one. I also dont like someone trying to tell me what to do with something I have bought and paid for. If they were selling them at a very reduced price that would be one thing but that is usually not the case. I have seen yorkies with limited registration going for $1500.00 for a male and around $2500.00 for a female. This disparity in price for male or female makes no sense either if they want you to spay or neuter.
I have owned dogs that I had spayed or not and did not breed - but it was my choice. My dog = my choice. I take very good care of my dogs but reserve the right to decide their future. I have dogs now that I do intend to breed and I was upfront with the breeders I got them from about that. I also have 2 that I do not intend to breed but I will decide if or when to have them spayed. However, with all the other registries out there someone could conceivably buy an AKC registered dog with limited registration and simply dual register it with another registry and register the puppies under the second registry. So if a breeder really doesnt want the pup to later reproduce they should have them spayed or neutered themselves before selling them.
Personally, like emmasmom, I would simply go to another breeder rather than have someone try to tell me what I can or cannot do with something that I have spent that much money for. It would be like them trying to retain partial ownership of something after they had been paid quite handsomely for it.
Sorry for the long post but this has always been a peeve of mine.

11-28-2006, 03:47 AM	#1
Ladyhawk YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,808	Spay/ Neuter Contract How many of you bought your baby with a spay/neuter contract? Just taking a little poll! __________________ Tami

11-28-2006, 04:43 AM	#2
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	I just bought two Yorkies this year from different breeders and no spay/neuter contract was mentioned. But I was upfront on the phone that I was looking for a Yorkie that would be within standards and able to breed eventually. The second breeder was a contact made by the first breeder. She actually took me over there. So, it might have been different if I was just showing up looking for a cute puppy. In fact, the first contract allowed for both choices. This lady is very encouraging about my desire to some day breed my two. Yes, I am one of those "everyone and their grandmother" you mentioned in the other thread on this subject, that wants to breed Yorkies. Everyone has to start somewhere and I believe I am doing it responsibly. I am a LONG way from actually breeding them but I have plenty of time. I am retired, with my youngest son in high school and why not look into doing something that I would love? I have the means to care for them, the time to love and care for them, and plan on accumulating as much knowledge as possible before actually letting them mate. I have a lot of books to read, shows to attend, and brains to pick between then and now. I do see from some of the posts here, that some are not being responsible breeders but sometimes it seems all are being discouraged from the experience. (Maybe I am being too sensitive?) All breeders were first-timers somewhere back in time. I will bet we will all learn along the way. Irresponsible breeders will probably STILL be irresponsible breeders with experience and those who choose to breed responsibly may make a little less $$ but will have so much more in heart and integrity! I do think breeders need to be more honest about whether or not the puppies they sell should be bred. Spay/neuter contracts would be great if the breeders would just be upfront about their puppies that are not in standard. It took me quite some time to figure what to look for and be sure I was buying dogs with at least the potential to become future breeders. Even then, I relied on those with more experience to help. My first Yorkie turned out to be one of the sweetest dogs I have ever loved, but she had a wavy coat, too short of a face and wound up over 7 lbs. We had her spayed, even though I would have loved to have puppies from her, especially since we lost her this past summer. She did not have a spay/neuter contract either -- and she should have. To tell the truth I doubt it would have stopped me from buying her -- her personality was just so sweet I would still have wanted her in the family. Interesting topic -- I will check in to see what responses you get. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

11-28-2006, 05:28 AM	#3
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	My breeder didnt have that. The breeder that I am getting My next one does and it doesnt matter to me. I get mine spayed and neutered __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

11-28-2006, 09:28 PM	#4
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Just want to say that I was probably a little over-sensitive before when I posted. I have read through the other thread and some of your other posts -- I do understand your very valid concerns for the breed. I should not have tried to personalize it -- it is a Yorkie worldwide issue. It is posts like yours that got me to look so carefully into what is or at least SHOULD BE considered before breeding Yorkies. There are way too many that seem to have lost the "Yorkie look." Sorry to have "killed" a valid thread -- glad you had two of them. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

11-29-2006, 03:27 AM	#5
Emmsmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 989	The breeder that I bought Diesel from didn't have one either. Had she wanted me to sign one I would have looked elsewhere. I have no desire to breed him but I still want the option. He isn't fixed (becuase he is so small) yet. He hasn't had to have his teeth cleaned yet because I brush them here at home. SOO he hasn't had to be put under. Plus I will be honest... I don't like the idea of someone telling me what I can and can't do with my little one. __________________ MICHELLE DIESEL "The Weasel" and little brother TUCKER

11-29-2006, 06:10 AM	#7
Emmsmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 989	I understand that. However, I still wouldn't pay as much as I did for a dog and then be told what I can and can't do with him. I would simply go to another breeder. You have to do what you feel is right for your kennel but as a buyer I have can look elsewhere. __________________ MICHELLE DIESEL "The Weasel" and little brother TUCKER

11-29-2006, 06:46 AM	#8
makemepretty YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middleville Posts: 933	Heck, if it'd lower the price I'd have no problem with that. I never plan on breeding an animal. Actually, I'd hate to inflict unnecessary pain on my pet so most likely I'd never go through with the spaying etc. and just let them keep the AKC papers, there's no chance of an 'accidental' pregnancy with not owning a male and them never having the chance to be around a male dog. There are too many animals out there in the world and too many breeders IMHO. However, if the seller does not want breeding to ever be an option then the price should be equal to an unregistered dog. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=369717

11-29-2006, 08:22 AM	#9
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	I bought Joey with a spay/neuter contract. To me, it shows that the breeder cares about what happens to these puppies. Also, she has worked very hard to establish her lines of beautiful healthy animals. I would much rather reward her for her years of dedication than someone who bought a couple of dogs from a puppymill and let them reproduce. FlDebra, you sound like one of the responsible would-be breeders, doing your homework before deciding on this profession. To do this job well, takes a lot of time, money and dedication. There are easier ways to earn money. It’s unfortunate that so many people just don’t do the job well. Nancy

11-29-2006, 01:23 PM	#10
Jack'sMom Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: CT Posts: 82	Jackson has a spay/neuter contract... I have to send the breeder proof that he has been neutered before she'll send me his paperwork so that I can register him. I didn't have anything like that with my last Yorkie, so it was surprising at first. But then I realized it was for a good reason. She really cares about the breed and wants to know where her line continues. And if I wanted to breed, I would have no problem paying a fee for that right. Interesting question. __________________ Jules, mom to Jackson (and Corky)