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eensor · 05-05-2005, 02:37 PM

Did I say I was angry? I don't think so!

Rex'z momma · 05-05-2005, 02:49 PM

i LUV MORKIES!! the reason..i have one!! rachelraim..Privte message me so i can give u my 2 cents of advice...do's and dont's

yorkiemomwannaB · 05-05-2005, 03:03 PM

I'm kind of ashamed to admit this, but I thought the "blue" dog was cute, silly but still cute. I'm sure the dog didn't mind LOL. I'm one of those people who laugh when I see a dog wearing clothes though, so what do I know

As for cross breeds, I'm not sure... My vet swears that mixed dogs almost always are in better health than a purebred dog, I'm not a vet so I don't know if that is true or not. I personally don't like the looks of many breeds but when crossed with a poodle they are gorgeous.
Now on to my opinion about breeders. I can't imagine any breeder that would continue to breed if they were losing money. Some breeders breed "pure" dogs but they aren't what the standards call for such as size and weight, even color and coat. So is that any worse than mixing two different breeds?
I wouldn't judge a breeder for cross-breeding dogs, but that's just me.

valiegirl · 05-05-2005, 04:08 PM

I am not putting my dog in this fight, but I did just have a thought.....
The yorkie is the result of intentional cross breeding. Why was it okay then, but now now?

CC's · 05-05-2005, 04:23 PM

DISCLAIMER..... JMO on breeding mixes not the dogs themselves.

Different breeds were created for a job. Jobs that many no longer be needed. There really isn't a need to create new breeds now.

To cross a Yorkie with a Poodle for non/low shedding is silly. Just breed a Yorkie with the correct coat and wa-la. You don't need a cross of lab and poodle for non shedding hunting/retrieving dog the standard poodle can hunt and retrieve.

These aren't really breeds either, they are crosses. A breed isn't a breed until it can be bred back for generations and reproduce like with like.

If someone really breeds a cross and creates a new breed over time I don't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with a breeder who breeds 2 different breeds and markets them as something better, healthier and something more than they are.
Then they tack a fancy name on it and charge a fortune.
Usually with no health checks, guarantee, or worry of temperament problems that can arise from the different breed qualities they have blended.

eensor · 05-05-2005, 04:29 PM

You said it a lot better than I did. I have nothing against the dogs themselves!!!

Maddie-Rudy-Mom · 05-05-2005, 08:29 PM

Here is my 2 cents. I think what eensor point was that this women is breeding two different breeds for the sole purpose of making money. There are plenty of mix breeds in the world that were born because the owners were not responsible enough to have there pet fixed. I think if you asked breeders on this site they will be the first to tell you they spend a lot on there dogs and make very little money. They breed yorkies to improve the breed and one day hopefully get the perfect yorkie. That lady said she has to support her family, then get a job like the rest of us. I have a chow-mix, Lucky, she is 15 years old and I love her to death.

jesscruz · 05-05-2005, 08:53 PM

wow that is really wierd to me

i would never die my dog any kind of color but that's just me..lol,first time iv'e ever seen that ...very interesting...

Puppyperson · 05-05-2005, 08:57 PM

I recently lost my 8 month old yorkie and was devastated. It is a long story and I really don't want to get into it because it still hurts. The breeder I got him from has a health guarnantee and offered me a new yorkie, a maltese, or a mix of the 2. She breeds the 2 and occasionally mixes. She had a litter and a puppy ready for me in few months once it reached 12 weeks. I called my vet and asked his opinion and he did state that mixed breeds/mutts tend to be healthier because they seem to lose the "bad" health traits (such as liver shunts in yorkies). After hearing that, and losing my yorkie to a liver shunt problem, I agreed on the mix and eagerly awaiting his arrival.

jesscruz · 05-05-2005, 09:14 PM

does anyone have a picture of a yorkie maltese mix? i don't know if i ever seen one?

CC's · 05-05-2005, 09:27 PM

I'm sorry for your loss.

Please ask for the breeder to do a bile acid test even on a mix of the Yorkie and Maltese before you bring it home. They both have higher liver shunt problems so mixes can get them as well. The mix being healthier only works if the breeds don't have any health problems in common, and not always even then.

I would hate for you to go through anything again.

natalie · 05-05-2005, 09:54 PM

lol.. it seems like theres an arguement thread on mix-breeding opinions and strictly purebred opinions atleast once a month!

Same post > http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3464

A 5-page thread on mixing Maltese and Yorkies (Morkies). It's pretty interesting. Bare bone facts, and pictures too. My opinion remains the same. I am all for mixing breeds for pet-quality purposes.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 05-05-2005, 10:26 PM

I am getting into this one rather late, but I have to side with those who pointed out that the very breed we all love comes from mixing breeds and cross breading. In my opinion, the fact that it was done to develop a working dog is irrelevant. It was done for profit and motive then and it is for now as well. The yorkie was developed long ago by breeding other terriers with the maltese to make a smaller terrier. The maltese came before the yorkie but this is why they look similar. The Biewer is a new "breed" and was developed recently in the 1980s. It was developed by a yorkie breeder who had the gumption to say "forget the breed standard" and breed for the beauty of the tri color yorkie. Before that, the accepted, but not discussed openly, policy was to destroy these beautiful dogs at birth! What a tragedy that was!

Some of you did sound "angry" with the breeder who was the original subject of this thread,and, IMO, based on the list posted by eensor, there is no evidence that she is not a wonderful breeder.

Most breeders breed dogs and sell them to make money. It is not realistic to think that they are doing it altruistically "to better the breed". What would be the purpose? Some archaic canine registration system that requires tail docking and allows ear clipping and exists purely to serve the egos of some wealthy hobbyists who want to produce the next "best in show"?

In my opinion conformation shows are nothing more than beauty pageants for dogs and they have absolutely nothing to do with the real purpose that dogs were put here for. Dogs are "man's best friend", whether they are black, white, brown, tri-colored, pink, floppy eared, short tailed, sick, ugly, beautiful or old.

Please learn to be accepting of ideas and opinions that you do not agree with. Do not be so quick to judge others.
I do not mean to imply that you should not express your viewpoint, it should just not be done in a hurtful way. We need to respect everyone.

Itspuppyluv · 05-05-2005, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesscruz

does anyone have a picture of a yorkie maltese mix? i don't know if i ever seen one?

Go to www.royalpuppies.com and click Morkie Breed info. Dazzle is the first Morkie (and one of the cutest) I'd ever seen and made me want one. IMO, the only down side is you can't really tell what they are going to look like from puppy to adult. I searched for a while and found quite a few pictures. Some grew to look nothing like I thought they would from their puppy pictures.

Wanted to add they are also called Yorktese, Yorkitese, Yorkese if anyone is searching for one.

eensor · 05-06-2005, 04:12 AM

I was not mean to anyone an Yorkie Talk and am entitled to my opinion. those of you who know me, know that I would never, ever think it is ok to euthanise puppies who don't meet the breed standard. I am also intelligent enough to know that all breeds came from "mixes" generations ago! There is just no longer a need to create "new breeds" because the jobs they were created for do not exist!

If you have a Morkie, or Yorktese, I certainly never meant anything against your precious babies! I have loved and rescued many mixed breed dogs in my life. I just don't see the need to create more for $$$$$.

I also think there are many breeders who do not make $$, but breed for the love of the breed!

Dog shows are also important in keeping breed standards and educating the public about working dogs and rescue dogs, etc. They also always encourage people to adopt unwanted dogs from shelters!!! Sweeping statements about dog shows can also come off as "angry." Or they could insult a lot of people whose life work is devoted to dogs.

As for Biewers, they came about through breeding two Yorkies with recessive genes.....not a Yorkie and a s**t-zu or something else. Same with Parti-colored. I think they are both very pretty. I also think a lot of the "mixes" are pretty too, BTW.

Have a good one!

E.

05-05-2005, 02:37 PM	#31
eensor YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Effingham, Illinois Posts: 2,535	Did I say I was angry? I don't think so! __________________ I'd rather be in Mexico!

05-05-2005, 04:29 PM	#36
eensor YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Effingham, Illinois Posts: 2,535	You said it a lot better than I did. I have nothing against the dogs themselves!!! __________________ I'd rather be in Mexico!

05-05-2005, 08:29 PM	#37
Maddie-Rudy-Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Beaumont, TX Posts: 1,887	Here is my 2 cents. I think what eensor point was that this women is breeding two different breeds for the sole purpose of making money. There are plenty of mix breeds in the world that were born because the owners were not responsible enough to have there pet fixed. I think if you asked breeders on this site they will be the first to tell you they spend a lot on there dogs and make very little money. They breed yorkies to improve the breed and one day hopefully get the perfect yorkie. That lady said she has to support her family, then get a job like the rest of us. I have a chow-mix, Lucky, she is 15 years old and I love her to death. __________________ Cindy, Maddie, Rudy, Polly, Sprout, Angie, and Tucker Rest in peace Lucky 1989-2007

05-05-2005, 09:54 PM	#42
natalie Owned by Fred Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,352	lol.. it seems like theres an arguement thread on mix-breeding opinions and strictly purebred opinions atleast once a month! Same post > http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3464 A 5-page thread on mixing Maltese and Yorkies (Morkies). It's pretty interesting. Bare bone facts, and pictures too. My opinion remains the same. I am all for mixing breeds for pet-quality purposes. Last edited by natalie; 05-05-2005 at 10:07 PM.

05-06-2005, 04:12 AM	#45
eensor YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Effingham, Illinois Posts: 2,535	I was not mean to anyone an Yorkie Talk and am entitled to my opinion. those of you who know me, know that I would never, ever think it is ok to euthanise puppies who don't meet the breed standard. I am also intelligent enough to know that all breeds came from "mixes" generations ago! There is just no longer a need to create "new breeds" because the jobs they were created for do not exist! If you have a Morkie, or Yorktese, I certainly never meant anything against your precious babies! I have loved and rescued many mixed breed dogs in my life. I just don't see the need to create more for $$$$$. I also think there are many breeders who do not make $$, but breed for the love of the breed! Dog shows are also important in keeping breed standards and educating the public about working dogs and rescue dogs, etc. They also always encourage people to adopt unwanted dogs from shelters!!! Sweeping statements about dog shows can also come off as "angry." Or they could insult a lot of people whose life work is devoted to dogs. As for Biewers, they came about through breeding two Yorkies with recessive genes.....not a Yorkie and a s**t-zu or something else. Same with Parti-colored. I think they are both very pretty. I also think a lot of the "mixes" are pretty too, BTW. Have a good one! E. __________________ I'd rather be in Mexico!

05-05-2005, 02:49 PM	#32
Rex'z momma BANNED! Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 798	i LUV MORKIES!! the reason..i have one!! rachelraim..Privte message me so i can give u my 2 cents of advice...do's and dont's

05-05-2005, 03:03 PM	#33
yorkiemomwannaB Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: KY Posts: 131	I'm kind of ashamed to admit this, but I thought the "blue" dog was cute, silly but still cute. I'm sure the dog didn't mind LOL. I'm one of those people who laugh when I see a dog wearing clothes though, so what do I know As for cross breeds, I'm not sure... My vet swears that mixed dogs almost always are in better health than a purebred dog, I'm not a vet so I don't know if that is true or not. I personally don't like the looks of many breeds but when crossed with a poodle they are gorgeous. Now on to my opinion about breeders. I can't imagine any breeder that would continue to breed if they were losing money. Some breeders breed "pure" dogs but they aren't what the standards call for such as size and weight, even color and coat. So is that any worse than mixing two different breeds? I wouldn't judge a breeder for cross-breeding dogs, but that's just me.

05-05-2005, 04:08 PM	#34
valiegirl Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 37	I am not putting my dog in this fight, but I did just have a thought..... The yorkie is the result of intentional cross breeding. Why was it okay then, but now now?

05-05-2005, 04:23 PM	#35
CC's YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 402	DISCLAIMER..... JMO on breeding mixes not the dogs themselves. Different breeds were created for a job. Jobs that many no longer be needed. There really isn't a need to create new breeds now. To cross a Yorkie with a Poodle for non/low shedding is silly. Just breed a Yorkie with the correct coat and wa-la. You don't need a cross of lab and poodle for non shedding hunting/retrieving dog the standard poodle can hunt and retrieve. These aren't really breeds either, they are crosses. A breed isn't a breed until it can be bred back for generations and reproduce like with like. If someone really breeds a cross and creates a new breed over time I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with a breeder who breeds 2 different breeds and markets them as something better, healthier and something more than they are. Then they tack a fancy name on it and charge a fortune. Usually with no health checks, guarantee, or worry of temperament problems that can arise from the different breed qualities they have blended.

05-05-2005, 08:53 PM	#38
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,763	wow that is really wierd to me i would never die my dog any kind of color but that's just me..lol,first time iv'e ever seen that ...very interesting...

05-05-2005, 08:57 PM	#39
Puppyperson Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 43	I recently lost my 8 month old yorkie and was devastated. It is a long story and I really don't want to get into it because it still hurts. The breeder I got him from has a health guarnantee and offered me a new yorkie, a maltese, or a mix of the 2. She breeds the 2 and occasionally mixes. She had a litter and a puppy ready for me in few months once it reached 12 weeks. I called my vet and asked his opinion and he did state that mixed breeds/mutts tend to be healthier because they seem to lose the "bad" health traits (such as liver shunts in yorkies). After hearing that, and losing my yorkie to a liver shunt problem, I agreed on the mix and eagerly awaiting his arrival.

05-05-2005, 09:14 PM	#40
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,763	does anyone have a picture of a yorkie maltese mix? i don't know if i ever seen one?

05-05-2005, 09:27 PM	#41
CC's YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 402	I'm sorry for your loss. Please ask for the breeder to do a bile acid test even on a mix of the Yorkie and Maltese before you bring it home. They both have higher liver shunt problems so mixes can get them as well. The mix being healthier only works if the breeds don't have any health problems in common, and not always even then. I would hate for you to go through anything again.

05-05-2005, 10:26 PM	#43
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I am getting into this one rather late, but I have to side with those who pointed out that the very breed we all love comes from mixing breeds and cross breading. In my opinion, the fact that it was done to develop a working dog is irrelevant. It was done for profit and motive then and it is for now as well. The yorkie was developed long ago by breeding other terriers with the maltese to make a smaller terrier. The maltese came before the yorkie but this is why they look similar. The Biewer is a new "breed" and was developed recently in the 1980s. It was developed by a yorkie breeder who had the gumption to say "forget the breed standard" and breed for the beauty of the tri color yorkie. Before that, the accepted, but not discussed openly, policy was to destroy these beautiful dogs at birth! What a tragedy that was! Some of you did sound "angry" with the breeder who was the original subject of this thread,and, IMO, based on the list posted by eensor, there is no evidence that she is not a wonderful breeder. Most breeders breed dogs and sell them to make money. It is not realistic to think that they are doing it altruistically "to better the breed". What would be the purpose? Some archaic canine registration system that requires tail docking and allows ear clipping and exists purely to serve the egos of some wealthy hobbyists who want to produce the next "best in show"? In my opinion conformation shows are nothing more than beauty pageants for dogs and they have absolutely nothing to do with the real purpose that dogs were put here for. Dogs are "man's best friend", whether they are black, white, brown, tri-colored, pink, floppy eared, short tailed, sick, ugly, beautiful or old. Please learn to be accepting of ideas and opinions that you do not agree with. Do not be so quick to judge others. I do not mean to imply that you should not express your viewpoint, it should just not be done in a hurtful way. We need to respect everyone.