Pebblemamma:

Thanks!

I loved yours too!

Hey Pebblesmama,
What part of Idaho, it is nice to see someone from the same area!
I live in Caldwell

No way! I live in Homedale and I work in Nampa!

Cool, I have a YT buddy that is next door!!
We should have a doggie play date or something
Sorry I never meet anyone in my neck of the woods! :D

How fun! I bet we have probably run into each other without knowing at Zamzow's or D&B without knowing it!

probably, I am there at D&B all the time latley trying to get my front yard in shape. LOL, How cool, it is a mall world! :D

My only good thing to say about mixed breeds is that they often have less health problems. I don't know how, but they are less likely to have the common health problems in each breed individually.

What about that mix breeds make good loving pets? All breeds are mixed and some point, you name it and I gaurntee that somewhere in those lines you have two or more breeds that have been crossed in order to achiev this newer breed, and those were also crossed at one point. Yes I love my dogs, and I got yorkies becasue I loved the breed, and it was always one I wanted to have. But I wouldnt trade my half breed mutts I have had over the years, they were specail and beatuiful companions until they were no longer with us.

So many of these statments that have been made weather they were meant to or not have been so rude. Sounds like everyone would prefer only the purebreed animals, yet at one time, our little yorkies were considered a mutt to!

I agree...we are talking about two dogs that are not capble of making those choices...its is the owners responsiblity to make the right choices

Its me !
 

Hello all!

I have never been here before so its my first post. I feel very sad that some of you are so judgemental of me without personally knowing me and my family. I have even read a post suggesting I get a normal job? Well for those of you who dont know, my husband has a stroke and he is 75% blind. So for me to work outside the home would mean hiring a babysitter full time for him. With the 5 kids around then its quite impossible. And now, my husband is now loving to take care of them with me as we now share a lot of the work together.

I have read a post about the Yorkshire Terrier being crossed before for a specific purpose. In fact, the Yorkshire Terrier was originally bred to kill rats and vermine on ships and mines. It was not the same size as it is today. Later on, the ladies wanted a little lap dog so they crossed the Yorkie with a maltese. This is why now when you have a yorkie puppy you can see some with white markings on them. To say it was bred for a specific purpose, I dont think size fits into this category.

As for dying the maltese hair. If you can read you will be able to see that these dogs were not hurt in any way. In fact, we used a special dye made for dogs which I order from a groomer. In my opinion I think its funky and nice but why am I being fingerpointed for doing it. If you dont like it thats fine but dont bring me down because of it.

You see, I have not read all of the postings as they are quite long. But I applaud some of you for your nice comments on not judging me before really knowing.

I also resent the fact that this Elizabeth Ensor sent me a private email with my private response and posted this on this bb. I wish she would have invited me first to come here and have a debate of some kind instead of going behind my back. I really have nothing to hide but would have liked the fact to be notified or asked before posting this on this bb.

You see , I dont know what is wrong with people having something against a breeder that breeds for the love of dogs and to make money as well. I love my dogs so why is it so bad? Contrary to some show breeders who subsidize their show rings with the selling of their dogs in return for recognition and/or prestige. What is the difference ? Who am I to judge what is the right thing to do?

I am an honest breeder who is trying to survive and I would NEVER NEVER hurt my dogs in any way. As for the morkies, well I breed them because of the demand. The first 4 who were kind of accidental in nature are now the results of numerous enquiries and demands. So now they are not bred accidentally. I find them absolutely adorable, extremely smart and affectionate.

All I can say now is how sad I feel reading some of the posts which are truly hurting to me. I doubt that you will find any of my puppies in a shelter. I would take back any of my dogs at any time.

Hope that some of you find it in your heart to see that I am not as bad as depicted. I do it for the love of dogs and to survive.

I resent being fingerpointed by this lady to later find my post on this bb. I would like to thank the lady who emailed me privately to let me know what was going on. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but to make their opinions and criticize someone specifically without their knowledge is low. We call this a backstabber.

What kind of person would email you personally, await your response to later post all of this on this bb? I think you all have the answer to that. Hope it never happens to you.

Wishing you all the best!

Royalyorkies..I dont think you are doing anything wrong,infact,I think that some mixes are beautiful and we should be able to find one if thats what we want;) There will always be pure breds out there for those that want one and in my opinion mixing does not ruin a breed at all..infact I dont understand those breeders that go on and on about making the breed totally perfect with each litter because perfection just doesnt exist.Sure,they could end up with a textbook perfect yorkie..but then what??? What next??
I am going to breed my female,but whilst I was making this desition I kept being asked questions like "does she have a desirable coat" or "her snout is too long" or "she has a stocky body" or "what sort of genes does she have" etc etc..all these were supposed to make me NOT want to breed her and I think its silly.When I breed Jess I may not be perfecting the breed..but dont worry..Im in europe!! You wont have to deal with it lol.
What I mean is..Jessies yorkie pups may not be totally perfect,but they will be yorkies (or morkies..we shall see;) ) and they will be mine and I will love them.
As usual we all have to agree to disagree and keep on smiling;) No body here has judged you royal..you have your reasons for doing what you are doing and its none of my buisness,you dont need to explain yourself:) This was a very interesting thread:)

Gina:

That is my point exactly. I think you should be able to breed your precious Jess without being criticized by those who feel you should only breed if your sole purpose is to "improve the breed". I enjoy being educated about all of the facts, good and bad, about breeding and allowing people to then make an educated and well thought decision about what to do based on thier own values and what's most important to them.

Royalpuppies:

Welcome to Yorkie Talk. I wish your first post could have been under better circumstances. I think your puppies are really cute and, from what I saw on your website and what you said in your post you truly do care about your dogs. Thank you for participating and we welcome you to stay and become an active member. We could learn a lot from you.

thank you, i must say they are too cute you know i actually don't even see much of a difference between the morkies or yorkies other than the color. they look the same to me.... :D thier adorable.

I don't have a problem with it and see her point of veiw. If no one bought them they wouldn't be red. AND where do you think all the breeds we have now came from--mixing breeds.

Welcome Royalpuppies :) . I thought your pups were very cute and sorry to hear about your husband. I hope you continue to post its always interesting to hear different breeders expieriences. I will say we do like a good debate on yorkie talk but dont be offended these are all opinions. We are all entitled to them and entitled to express them. So welcome again !! :D

Please see my apology to Royal puppies.

I have a yorkie-poodle and i think she is the greatest companion yet. She is so loving and gentle....most traits of a yorkie, with a few from the poodle breed. I am in love with this mixed breed and couldn't of asked for a better dog! :)

I would just like to say that this is my first post and will probably be my last because I am so appalled and am absolutely stunned right now by some of the misinformation that is being posted in this thread. It was one thing when I read where a member (non-breeder) posted about Yorkshire Terriers being descendants or crossed with a Maltese back when the breed was being established, that was oen thing because she probably just hasn't educated herself about the ancestry of her dogs, which is fine, as most people don't. BUT when I read the post from someone that claimed to be a "breeder" and everything that she posted about the history of the breed was completely 110% inaccurate, I just couldn't believe it. A breeder should know how the breed that they are breeding was established. If you don't know, then you shouldn't say anything! Before you post in an attempt to educate others about the history of the breed, you should get the facts straight. You should not act like you know what you are talking about when you don't. Its no wonder you are breeding mutts.

For anyone that is interested... The Yorkshire Terrier was manufactured from the Waterside, Clydesdale and Paisley Terriers. Huddersfield Ben (first Yorkie) was produced in 1850 from the mating of Swift's Old Crab (a Clydesdale or Waterside Terrier) and Kershaw's Old Kitty (a Paisley Terrier). The silk coat does not come from the Maltese, it comes from the Waterside. The white comes from the Broken-Coated Scottish Terrier, not from the Maltese. Yorkies were bred for the ratting abilities, this being the "job" of the Yorkie has to do with its size, not about beng a lap dog or having anything to do with a Maltese. (That statement posted by the breeder doesnt even make sense!) The weight and size of Yorkies were completely unpredictable even after the breed was introduced to American breeders. The development oif the petite size came from the continued mating of two related lines.

For anyone that is interested... The Yorkshire Terrier was manufactured from the Waterside, Clydesdale and Paisley Terriers. Huddersfield Ben (first Yorkie) was produced in 1850 from the mating of Swift's Old Crab (a Clydesdale or Waterside Terrier) and Kershaw's Old Kitty (a Paisley Terrier). The silk coat does not come from the Maltese, it comes from the Waterside. The white comes from the Broken-Coated Scottish Terrier, not from the Maltese. Yorkies were bred for the ratting abilities, this being the "job" of the Yorkie has to do with its size, not about beng a lap dog or having anything to do with a Maltese. (That statement posted by the breeder doesnt even make sense!) The weight and size of Yorkies were completely unpredictable even after the breed was introduced to American breeders. The development oif the petite size came from the continued mating of two related lines.

Well, I have looked at only two of my Yorkie history books but both agree thatHuddersfield Ben was NOT born in 1850 as we peons have just been informed. He was actually born in 1865. The history of the Yorkie started in Scotland and worked its way into the Yorkshire area of England. Also, both books attribute the texture of the Yorkie as most likely produced when Maltese (which is a much older breed) was introduced into the breeding of rough-coated black and tans with what was either the Skye Terrier, the ClydesdaleOR Paisley Terriers and breeding was continued. In 1865 H. Ben was born and in 1870 , Mozart, a son of H.Ben won 1st in the Variety Class at the Westminster Dog show. A reporter wrote in his critique of the show" They ought no longer be called Scotch Terriers, but YORKSHIRE Terriers!" The name stuck.
I am sure if I had the time to research several more books I would find more "facts" that are questionable. Swift's Old Crab was a black and tan terrier with a long coat, while Kershaws Old Kitty was a drop-eared Skye, stolen from Manchester and later owned by Kershaw.
H. Ben descends from these 2 dogs and the pedigree dates back to 1850 but he was whelped in 1865 and was first shown inDec 1869 at the Manchester show.

Well both those last 2 posts were very interesting ! I would love to know where you find out this kind of information - can you recommend books or a site to read ?

I apologize for the misstatement on the year 1850. You are completely accurate about the H Ben being whelped in 1865. I have read many books on the ancestry of the breed. I am sure you are familiar with Joan Gordon and if you have any questions about the maltese being crossed with the Yorkie, you should read her statements regarding why this did not happen.

I have spent the last 2 hours educating myself on the Yorkshire Terrier breed history, as I had never thought about it before.. everything I read through suggested that there was Maltese in the Yorkie bloodline dating back to the 19th century. I'm slightly confused, because LvMyYorki is abhorred by the "misinformation" about Maltese in the Yorkie bloodline... but, isn't there? There can't be two sides to solid history.


An excerpt:


Yorkshire Terrier
Family: terrier
Place of Origin: England
Date of Origin: 1800s
Avg Size of Male: Height: 8-9 inches Weight: <7 pounds
Avg Size of Female: Height: 8-9 inches Weight: <7 pounds
Original Function: small vermin-hunting
Primary Current Function: companion
Other Name: none


History of the Breed
The Yorkshire Terrier is a breed that is a purposeful mix of other terriers most likely including the Waterside Terrier, Clydesdale Terrier, Paisley Terrier, rough-coated English Black and Tan Terrier, and perhaps even the Skye Terrier, Dandie Dinmont Terrier, and Maltese. The Waterside Terrier a small, longhaired dog that is blue-gray in color is the most prominent breed in the modern Yorkie. This elegant-looking dog is a product of the working class and was originally bred to catch rats. Initially it was looked down upon by the upper class, however its obvious beauty soon swayed the skeptics. Soon the tiny dogs were appearing in dog shows and on the laps of affluent mistresses. In 1872, the first Yorkshire Terrier was born in America, however by the 1880s the breed varied in size from 7 to as much as 14 pounds. Breeders and fanciers in both America and over seas decided that the smaller size with longer hair was preferred, and soon the Yorkie grew into the tiny dog with the lavishly long coat that it is today.



Another excerpt:


The breed is only 100 years old or so, but its origins are not entirely certain - probably because the working men of north England, who developed the Yorkshire Terrier for catching the terrible rats that infested the mine shafts and as a hunting dog that could penetrate into badger and fox burrows, avoided divulging the secret of their success to those who might have cashed in on a lucrative side line. However, it seems likely that Scotsmen seeking work in the woolen mills of Yorkshire brought with them various types of terrier, including the Skye and the now extinct Clydesdale. These were then crossed with local types, such as the long- haired Leeds Terrier. The Maltese, Black & Tan Manchester, and Dandie Dinmont Terriers may also have contributed blood lines. At first, the Yorkie was a much bigger animal than the one we see today, but by selectively breeding the smallest individuals, the dog was gradually miniaturized over the years. They were made into a fashion dog. Women carried these little dogs in their bags and under their arms. The first Yorkshire, with the characteristics demanded by its standard today, appeared in a dog show in 1870.

I looked up Joan B. Gordon and came up with the book "The New Complete Yorkshire Terrier" and found summarized excerpts:

Today's Yorkshire Terrier is very different from the early Yorkshire Terriers of the North of England. There are varying accounts of the origins of this breed and its development. Before 1750, most British people worked in agriculture. The onset of the Industrial Revolution brought great changes to family life. In Yorkshire, small communities grew up around coal mines, textile mills and factories. People were drawn to these areas to seek work from as far away as Scotland. They brought with them a breed known as the Clydesdale Terrier, or Paisley Terrier. These were primarily working dogs, much larger than today's Yorkies, and were used for catching rats and other small mammals. These terriers were inevitably crossed with other types of terrier, probably the English Black and Tan Toy Terrier, and the Skye Terrier; it is also thought that at some stage the Maltese Terrier was crossed with these breeds to help produce long coats. As the outline of the Maltese resembles that of many of today's Yorkies, this is very likely. Unfortunately, no records in the form of Pedigrees exist to confirm these crosses (possibly because of the poor level of literacy in these times), but a great deal is known about the type of people who bred them, and there can be no doubt that early breeders had a very clear idea of the type of dogs they were attempting to produce. We can see in today's Yorkies how strongly the terrier temperament has been retained.

Red98vett:

http://www.doggroups.com/breeds/item...errier_history
http://www.carstensens.com/thecave/yorkie.htm#history

Lvmyyorki:

The history of the yorkshire is poorly documented, and the sources vary slightly. Educating folks is nice. But why would you not want to stick around and help people?

Seek understanding, peace and joy with the little ones, we all were there once.

Deborah

I have read the entire book and Ms. Gordon is very clear that "authorities" throw in the Maltese in an attempt to explain a silk coat and that the reasoning behind this is not at all solid. If you are very interested in the lineage of the breed, you would love her book as it delves into the fine details of each breed and the role it played in the Yorkies we know today.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I am at a loss as to why everyone is so upset by the fact that the Maltese was not crossed in the manufacture of the Yorkshire Terrier. If it has anything to do with the fact that the breeder that the thread was started about is crossing Yorkies and Maltese, and you agree with her, then I don't understand why you are directing your comments towards me. I too have other books on the history of the breed that have the same misinformation that was posted earlier. I too can google and post summaries and excerpts from the internet, but I would imagine anyone would be hard pressed to find anyone that is more knowledgable about the breed in its entirely than Joan Gordon.

Whispers mom, you are very rite, we should focus more on abbused dogs and not on someone that treats her animals well, I respect both Eensor and Royalyorkies. Everyone has the rite to her oppinion, I think that is what the forum is about. Please lets all forgive and forget and Welcome Royal Yorkies and Give our Eensor our love too! This is a great place :)

Really!! who cares if Maltese is in the bloodline, All we really need to know is we love our Furbabies! It doesn't matter who is rite or wrong, Lets just all get along :)

Im just going to throw my 2 cents in here and say that IN MY OPINION, this thread should be allowed to just fade into the background and left alone. Apologies have been made. We have all read books and will continue to research the breed. There is no need to keep stirring the kettle cause the heat has been turned off.


Let it rest.....................




(PLEASE NOTICE THE "IN MY OPINION")

Shelbies Heart- I agree with you and just want you to know that my last post wasnt pointed at you..............