Did I say I was angry? I don't think so!

i LUV MORKIES!! the reason..i have one!! rachelraim..Privte message me so i can give u my 2 cents of advice...do's and dont's

I'm kind of ashamed to admit this, but I thought the "blue" dog was cute, silly but still cute. I'm sure the dog didn't mind LOL. I'm one of those people who laugh when I see a dog wearing clothes though, so what do I know ;)
As for cross breeds, I'm not sure... My vet swears that mixed dogs almost always are in better health than a purebred dog, I'm not a vet so I don't know if that is true or not. I personally don't like the looks of many breeds but when crossed with a poodle they are gorgeous.
Now on to my opinion about breeders. I can't imagine any breeder that would continue to breed if they were losing money. Some breeders breed "pure" dogs but they aren't what the standards call for such as size and weight, even color and coat. So is that any worse than mixing two different breeds?
I wouldn't judge a breeder for cross-breeding dogs, but that's just me.

I am not putting my dog in this fight, but I did just have a thought.....
The yorkie is the result of intentional cross breeding. Why was it okay then, but now now?

DISCLAIMER..... JMO on breeding mixes not the dogs themselves. :)


Different breeds were created for a job. Jobs that many no longer be needed. There really isn't a need to create new breeds now.

To cross a Yorkie with a Poodle for non/low shedding is silly. Just breed a Yorkie with the correct coat and wa-la. You don't need a cross of lab and poodle for non shedding hunting/retrieving dog the standard poodle can hunt and retrieve.

These aren't really breeds either, they are crosses. A breed isn't a breed until it can be bred back for generations and reproduce like with like.

If someone really breeds a cross and creates a new breed over time I don't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with a breeder who breeds 2 different breeds and markets them as something better, healthier and something more than they are.
Then they tack a fancy name on it and charge a fortune.
Usually with no health checks, guarantee, or worry of temperament problems that can arise from the different breed qualities they have blended.

You said it a lot better than I did. I have nothing against the dogs themselves!!!

Here is my 2 cents. I think what eensor point was that this women is breeding two different breeds for the sole purpose of making money. There are plenty of mix breeds in the world that were born because the owners were not responsible enough to have there pet fixed. I think if you asked breeders on this site they will be the first to tell you they spend a lot on there dogs and make very little money. They breed yorkies to improve the breed and one day hopefully get the perfect yorkie. That lady said she has to support her family, then get a job like the rest of us. I have a chow-mix, Lucky, she is 15 years old and I love her to death.

wow that is really wierd to me :eyebrow2: i would never die my dog any kind of color but that's just me..lol,first time iv'e ever seen that ...very interesting...

I recently lost my 8 month old yorkie and was devastated. It is a long story and I really don't want to get into it because it still hurts. The breeder I got him from has a health guarnantee and offered me a new yorkie, a maltese, or a mix of the 2. She breeds the 2 and occasionally mixes. She had a litter and a puppy ready for me in few months once it reached 12 weeks. I called my vet and asked his opinion and he did state that mixed breeds/mutts tend to be healthier because they seem to lose the "bad" health traits (such as liver shunts in yorkies). After hearing that, and losing my yorkie to a liver shunt problem, I agreed on the mix and eagerly awaiting his arrival.

does anyone have a picture of a yorkie maltese mix? i don't know if i ever seen one?

I'm sorry for your loss.

Please ask for the breeder to do a bile acid test even on a mix of the Yorkie and Maltese before you bring it home. They both have higher liver shunt problems so mixes can get them as well. The mix being healthier only works if the breeds don't have any health problems in common, and not always even then.

I would hate for you to go through anything again.

lol.. it seems like theres an arguement thread on mix-breeding opinions and strictly purebred opinions atleast once a month! :rolleyes:


Same post > http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3464

A 5-page thread on mixing Maltese and Yorkies (Morkies). It's pretty interesting. Bare bone facts, and pictures too. My opinion remains the same. I am all for mixing breeds for pet-quality purposes.

I am getting into this one rather late, but I have to side with those who pointed out that the very breed we all love comes from mixing breeds and cross breading. In my opinion, the fact that it was done to develop a working dog is irrelevant. It was done for profit and motive then and it is for now as well. The yorkie was developed long ago by breeding other terriers with the maltese to make a smaller terrier. The maltese came before the yorkie but this is why they look similar. The Biewer is a new "breed" and was developed recently in the 1980s. It was developed by a yorkie breeder who had the gumption to say "forget the breed standard" and breed for the beauty of the tri color yorkie. Before that, the accepted, but not discussed openly, policy was to destroy these beautiful dogs at birth! What a tragedy that was!

Some of you did sound "angry" with the breeder who was the original subject of this thread,and, IMO, based on the list posted by eensor, there is no evidence that she is not a wonderful breeder.

Most breeders breed dogs and sell them to make money. It is not realistic to think that they are doing it altruistically "to better the breed". What would be the purpose? Some archaic canine registration system that requires tail docking and allows ear clipping and exists purely to serve the egos of some wealthy hobbyists who want to produce the next "best in show"?

In my opinion conformation shows are nothing more than beauty pageants for dogs and they have absolutely nothing to do with the real purpose that dogs were put here for. Dogs are "man's best friend", whether they are black, white, brown, tri-colored, pink, floppy eared, short tailed, sick, ugly, beautiful or old.

Please learn to be accepting of ideas and opinions that you do not agree with. Do not be so quick to judge others.
I do not mean to imply that you should not express your viewpoint, it should just not be done in a hurtful way. We need to respect everyone.

Go to www.royalpuppies.com and click Morkie Breed info. Dazzle is the first Morkie (and one of the cutest) I'd ever seen and made me want one. IMO, the only down side is you can't really tell what they are going to look like from puppy to adult. I searched for a while and found quite a few pictures. Some grew to look nothing like I thought they would from their puppy pictures.

Wanted to add they are also called Yorktese, Yorkitese, Yorkese if anyone is searching for one.

I was not mean to anyone an Yorkie Talk and am entitled to my opinion. those of you who know me, know that I would never, ever think it is ok to euthanise puppies who don't meet the breed standard. I am also intelligent enough to know that all breeds came from "mixes" generations ago! There is just no longer a need to create "new breeds" because the jobs they were created for do not exist!

If you have a Morkie, or Yorktese, I certainly never meant anything against your precious babies! I have loved and rescued many mixed breed dogs in my life. I just don't see the need to create more for $$$$$.

I also think there are many breeders who do not make $$, but breed for the love of the breed!

Dog shows are also important in keeping breed standards and educating the public about working dogs and rescue dogs, etc. They also always encourage people to adopt unwanted dogs from shelters!!! Sweeping statements about dog shows can also come off as "angry." Or they could insult a lot of people whose life work is devoted to dogs.

As for Biewers, they came about through breeding two Yorkies with recessive genes.....not a Yorkie and a s**t-zu or something else. Same with Parti-colored. I think they are both very pretty. I also think a lot of the "mixes" are pretty too, BTW.

Have a good one!

E.

These post are always controversal and I truly believe no one who loves yorkies means mixed breeds are inferiour because they aren't !! They're smart and cute and totally loveable - Anything mixed with a yorkie is usually ADORABLE ...smart too ! Some of my favorite puppies are mixes on another site - They have truly unique characteristics !

I think some of us just wonder why there are SO MANY PEOPLE intentionally creating mixed puppies and trying to make money off it -

Some of these breeders KNOW many people can't afford the $ 1000 PLUS that a purebred yorkie cost - so a mix is created for less money - and Voila - a whole new customer base for that breeder of mixed puppies !

I'm not saying this is the only reason a person buys a mix....I know lots of mixes are bought out of love and the price didn't matter - but you have to admit - it IS a jump from under 500 to over $1000 and these breeders know it.

I don't believe most of these sites/breeders/brokers/puppy sellers are trying to enhance or improve these breeds....It's not out of love for one breed or the other - it's all about making a living thru the puppies they sell....remember......this is JUST MY OPINION !

Eensor - You are entitled to your opion & I have no hard feelings. I understand the importance of showing dogs (I would LOVE to show dogs!) and making the breed the best it can be. You were not mean to anybody - and your argument is very clear & you have many good points. In my opinion some of these mixes make better "pets" than purebreds. Also, let's not forget that MANY breeders of purebred dogs are only breeding with the intention of making $$$ - this is not only breeders of mixed dogs. Thanks!!!

That's true too....but also a whole nother subject !! :) I think this is interesting hearing how everyone feels - and in no way is this about ANY of our mixed babies -

I think it's just SUCH an explosion of puppy breeding in general that it's very hard these days to trust those breeders that have a pretty website or a great sales pitch - It's ALWAYS best to go with the breeder who you know for sure has a good reputation ...I learned THAT from my own experience

The "GOOD" Breeders care and will take a loss if that's what it takes - the bad breeders sell sell sell.

To the member named puppyperson...who just lost their baby at 8 months old......I'm so sorry for you - I know that must have been devestating.

Crosspost from another site -
What is a Breeder?

A breeder is one who thirsts for knowledge and never really knows it
all, one who wrestles with decision of conscience, convenience and
commitment. One who sacrifices personal interests, finances, time,
friendships, fancy furniture, and deep pile carpeting!

She gives up the dreams of a long, luxurious cruise in favor of
urning that all important show into this years vacation.

A breeder goes without sleep (but never coffee) in hours spent
planning a breeding or watching anxiously over the birth process and
afterwards, over every little sneeze, wiggle or cry.

Skips dinner parties because that litter is due or the babies have
to be fed at eight. She disregards birth fluids and puts mouth to
mouth to save a gasping newborn, literally blowing life into a tiny,
helpless creature that may be the culmination of a lifetime of dreams.

A breeders lap is a marvelous place where generations of proud and
noble champions once snoozed.

A breeders hands are strong and firm and often soiled, but ever so
gentle and sensitive to the thrusts of a puppy's wet nose.

A breeders back and knees are usually arthritic from stooping,
bending, and sitting in the birthing box, but are strong enough to
enable the breeder to show the next choice pup to a Championship.

A breeders shoulders are stooped and often heaped with abuse from
competitors, but they're wide enough to support the weight of a
thousand defeats and frustrations.

A breeders arms are always able to wield a mop, support an armfull
of puppies, or lend a helping hand to a newcomer.

A breeder's ears are wonderous things, sometimes red ( from being
talked about ) or strangely shaped from being pressed against a
phone receiver, often deaf to criticism, yet always fine tuned to
the wimper of a sick puppy.

A breeders eyes are blurred from pedigree research and sometimes
blind to her own dog's faults, but they are ever so keen to the
competitions faults and are always searching for the perfect specimen.

A breeders brain is foggy on faces, but it can recall pedigres
faster than an IBM computer. so full of knowledge that sometimes it
blows a fuse: it catalougues thousands of good bonings, fine ears,
and perfect heads and buries in the soul the failures and the ones that didn't turn out.

A Breeder's Heart is often broken, but it beats strongly with hope
everlasting and it is always in the right place.

Oh, yes, there are breeders, and then, there are BREEDERS!!
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red98vett - wow! That brought a tear to my eye & I'm at work! That's so beautiful & true...

I loved it to - it's such a tribute to those great breeders that have brought us our very loved pets !

I totally agree! I know I couldn't do it! :)

breeder
 

Villette..that is soooo true.
My friend, Judy was celebrating her anniversary, got all ready to go out for dinner/show...and her girl got inher whelping box and started to push..end of the party! LOL
If it was illegal to ask money for dogs, I would still breed...BUT and IT is a BIG BUT...I would only have a litter every 2 or 3 yrs. I love puppies running around.

I agree, take the earlier post for instance with the labradoodle pic. I think it kinda looked scary! I like mixed breed also, but if people are starting to mix breeds on purpose sooner or later I feel that it will be almost impossible to find a purebred in the future and the prices may even skyrocket. My opinion I love everyone here and AM NOT putting anyone down

Pat - (yorkierose) YOU are one of the breeders that tribute is dedicated to - I feel I've known you long enough to be able to say that with conviction ! If I EVER had the chance to get a puppy from you I'd be elated !

eesensor & CC
 

I do not want to offend:

There is a need for every species to constantly evolve for many reasons that I will not go into here. Most breeds today have these health problems _BECAUSE_ the gene pool is too small. Without outcrossing and bringing in new genes, a breeding of a line controlled by humans is assurred doom.

I did not give my opinion lightly: Go look up the Bernese Mountain dog-

That beautiful dog- is doomed to extinction soon, if some breeders don't get smart and bring in _NEW_ genes to the pool. New genes do not mean from the same breed!

True many dogs were bred for specific purposes, and many of us still use them for those purposes. That does not mean that we through ignorance should create the end of a particular breed of dog.

One day, the lady may be the salvation of the yorkshire breed.

Seek for understanding and tolerance for the love of the earth and its creatures, please.

deborah- a biologist

I've enjoyed reading this post very much. It is a relief to read so many positive responses about breeders. It seems that so often we read negative things and assume that most breeders are "puppy mills" and irresponsible. While I agree that there are more of those than I care to admit, there are many, many other breeders who are fine, reputable, and responsible. People who love the responsibility and the challenge and the joys of puppies, whether they are purebreeds or mixed. I do not see what is wrong in doing something you love for the money either. I have always felt hesitant to "come out of the closet" and admit that I breed yorkies. I have feared what people on the forum may think. I am not breeding show material, but I do try to stay with the standard as closely as I can. As I have studied breeding and learned about line -breeding and in -breeding and cross-breeding and have realized what breeders do to the puppies that do not conform I have been sickened and never want to be included in that group that call themselves professionals. I do not claim to know everything about breeding, but how else does one learn? I love what I do and I think I am good at it. And yes, I have made money doing it. But you know what? Even if I didn't make money, I would still do it.
I started doing it for the money, to put help pay my daughters college tuition. I continue doing it because it is fun. I do make money. I am proud of my little business and would gladly welcome anyone to my home to see what I have. I have two breeding females and one male. They live in our home and receive the best of care. In my 5 years, and 8 litters, I have never lost a single puppy. I have no known heredity issues with any of the puppies I have sold. I have many happy customers who I use for references. I have never sold a puppy to anyone who has not first come to my home. I have also bred my male to a maltese that belongs to a friend of mine and had the cutest little puppies I ever saw! I would do it again in a heartbeat. They have all gone to loving homes.
I get very weary hearing from people who preach about breeders but then they are the first ones to go out and buy the smallest possible yorkie they can find. Somehow it's okay for them. It's alot of "do as I say and not as I do" if you ask me.
Whew! Thanks for letting me vent - don't want to offend anyone but this has been alot of pent up feelings I've had. I say cheers to anyone who loves breeding dogs and does it well. I say BOOOO to anyone who mistreats their animals for any reason, profit included.

pebblesmama, what part of the country are you in? And you made your point well. I don't have a problem with a breeder making money. Isn't that everyones goal in life is to find what you love to do and actually get paid to do it? It sounds like you're the kind of breeder I would want my next pup from.

[QUOTE=eensor[I]]"I was not mean to anyone an Yorkie Talk and am entitled to my opinion. "[/I]
eensor: You are absolutely right.

You just gave me the opportunity to try to get people to think differently about purebred versus mixed or mutt. In my eyes, neither is "better" than the other and I see no more reason for complaining when breeders choose to breed two breeds together than breeders who choose to breed the same breed together. The AKC is not dog "LAW". It is simply a private organization that exists for people who breed purebred dogs. That's it. If that is something you care about, that's terrific and you are totally free to participate in the "hobby", but it doesn't mean that people that "don't care about AKC" of other purebred reigstries are "wrong" or "bad" because they legally and, without harming anyone, breed dogs outside of the AKC or other registry rules.

For some reason a prejudice exists against breeders who breed for money. There is also a prejudice against people who breed two different breeds. I don't know why since our country is founded on the entrepeneurial spirit and capitalist ideals and, in our society, dogs are considered "property". (I am not saying i agree with this but it is fact) Obviously and thankfully, we have laws against abusing animals, but basically anyone is free to breed any dog that they own to any other dog that they own or contract with the owner for breeding rights. I don't think any of these breeders who breed for money are contributing to the overpopulation of animals in animal shelters. We all see the posts of people searching for weeks and months for a puppy with no luck. There is a demand for mixed breed dogs and the puppies do not end up in shelters. If they did, the breeders would stop because they wouldn't be making any money and it wouldn't be worth the hard work and effort involved.

As for the issue of "jobs" that dogs serve, they still have a job and breeders should be free to breed for hat "job". The job, in the case of the pet, is to be "man's best friend" and to provide comfort , unconditional love and loyalty to their owners. If that comes from a mixed breed breeder who breeds purely for the love of the animals, or a purebred breeder for profit, it shouldn't matter IMO. They are still performing their duty or their job.

I think my last post may have come across as a little harsh toward conformation dog show hobbyists and I would like to clarify what I said. I have nothing against "beauty pageants" for people or dogs. My dauhgters participated in beauty pageants for years. I just wanted to use that analogy to show the "level of importance" that that reallly plays in the dog world in my opinion. It's a "hobby" and should not be taken so seriously in my opinion. It is not the "law" for all dogs and does not control ALL DOGS and all dog owners. Those who do not participate or care who wins are not mandated by their standards, etc.

I really love to watch the shows on TV because I love to see beautiful dogs. I also love to watch agility shows and I used to show shepards in obedience as a child. I also grew up showing horses.

To say that you should only breed dogs who come from "championship lines" or are "purebred" is the same to me as saying that, unless you win a beauty pageant you shouldn't have kids, or if your mother and father are from different nationalities you are worth less than someone whose parents are from the same nationality. Beauty pagenats do not "control" who is beautiful in our country or our world. There are plenty of beautiful people who never participated in a beauty pageant. In my opinion, it is the same with dogs. There are plenty of perfectly wonderful dogs who came from wonderful non-championship parents.

Eensor, please don't take this the wrong way but, I don't see how everything about this breeder's website could make someone "sick". She sounds like a compassionate person who cares about her dogs and they were adorable dogs. I cannot recommend her because I know nothing about her other than the website and her response to eensors email. But, can you imagine how she must have felt to receive that email? All because she breeds two different breeds instead of the same breed? She was accused of not caring about the health and welfare of her puppies. If I were her, I would have been extremely offended.

I am not trying to offend anyone here but I just wish we would all be a little less quick to judge and criticize. It's about "tolerance" in the end, for me, I think.

I heartyorkies - I live in Idaho

socalyorkilvr - Thank you - your post was intelligent, wonderfully stated, and right on!