My view on pet store puppies.....

[SnowWa]

RE: Donna Jean's two posts.....

I think she just posted twice ---

Some posts go on forever - and I post again -

Sometimes I post a 2nd answer - not remembering I had already posted.

Sometimes I post again simply because I have more to say.....


And - sometimes I'm sure people think I'm nuts because I have done any of the above....

So - Donna Jean - just keep posting. It's always good to hear from you!


Carol Jean

[Donna Jean]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Sorry but I'm taking this WAY off topic for a sec. Just an observation...

Donna Jean, do you have more than one user account? It seems as though you answered, then turned around an complimented yourself on your previous post...page 2 posts #21 & 22. I'm not disagreeing with what you said...just kinda strange how you answered your own post.

Post #21:


Post #22:

No I was complimenting Yorkie Dork on post 20, it looks as if I responded to my own thread, I am not sure when you respond if you go to the bottom of the page and respond or respond as I am responding to you right now. Sorry sure made me look stupid, I assure you I was responding to Yorkie Dork when I said right on.. I am new on these posts and am not sure where to respond, at the end of the page or can you go to the middle?? Or at the end of the post you want to respond to , or when it says Title, do you use Title to respond to the person you want to respond to. Please know I would never respond to my self with a compliment, or answer my own post, it does look that way, but I promise you I was responding to Yorkie Dork .

[lilbizkit]

I agree with shutting down puppy mills and jail time for the millers. As far as pet stores go, I live in a small town in central Minnesota, the only place that I can find my yorkie's food is the pet store in a town 20 miles away. I know the owners on the store, I know where they get their dogs and I have been to many of the breeder's homes. I know that in alot of places this is not the case.

[Donna Jean]

Originally Posted by SnowWa

RE: Donna Jean's two posts.....

I think she just posted twice ---

Some posts go on forever - and I post again -

Sometimes I post a 2nd answer - not remembering I had already posted.

Sometimes I post again simply because I have more to say.....


And - sometimes I'm sure people think I'm nuts because I have done any of the above....

So - Donna Jean - just keep posting. It's always good to hear from you!


Carol Jean

Carol Jean, Thank you for being so nice, I feel like txshopper is trying to rake me over the coals, for a mistake in where I posted my response to Yorkie Dork. It does look like I responded to my self, I do talk to my self a lot, but I have yet to write letters or compliment myself on what I have written. I feel so stupid that I think I will just step back and let all go forward on their posts and just observe, I sure was not trying to upset any one, and that seems to be the case with Txshopper. This is a hot issue, and with all the responses it seems as though nothing is going to be done about Puppy Mills, everyone just wants to post an opinion, I did enjoy hearing about what everyone had to say, and Carol Jean I appreciate your understanding and kindness, also your willingness to get the ball rolling. You have a lot to contribute to this forum, keep up the good work!!!!! I loved the passion you displayed in all your posts.

[vainchick5]

Originally Posted by Donna Jean

Carol Jean, Thank you for being so nice, I feel like txshopper is trying to rake me over the coals, for a mistake in where I posted my response to Yorkie Dork. It does look like I responded to my self, I do talk to my self a lot, but I have yet to write letters or compliment myself on what I have written. I feel so stupid that I think I will just step back and let all go forward on their posts and just observe, I sure was not trying to upset any one, and that seems to be the case with Txshopper. This is a hot issue, and with all the responses it seems as though nothing is going to be done about Puppy Mills, everyone just wants to post an opinion, I did enjoy hearing about what everyone had to say, and Carol Jean I appreciate your understanding and kindness, also your willingness to get the ball rolling. You have a lot to contribute to this forum, keep up the good work!!!!! I loved the passion you displayed in all your posts.

I don't think txshopper was trying to "rake you over hot coals" I think that's a tad dramatic. We've had a lot of unwelcomed guests from the past that like to sign on using different names and they just love to compliment themselves using different names (which is against YT policy, to have multiple accounts). There have been times when they've forgotten to switch to their alter ego's which is why there was suspicioun about your motives.

[lfgeary]

Originally Posted by Itspuppyluv

Who wouldn't like to save them all from pet stores?

It matters where they come from because behind that adorable puppy are parents left behind in misery. They are the reason why anyone that knows mills exist should have qualms about buying puppies from pet stores.
It is not as simple as taking a chance on getting a healthy puppy or that they all deserve loving homes.

I don't know how to put an end to mills but I do know if you buy from pet stores...no matter how good your intentions...you are part of the problem. You are their customers. They couldn't stay in business without you.
I'm sorry if that comes off as harsh, I’m not trying to make anyone feel bad. Just my point of view.

I totally agree! If no one bought puppies from pet stores than there would be no demand for puppy mill dogs and the owners would go out of business. Adopt a dog!! Give one of the 1,000's of dogs who are needing a home a good home! Both of our dogs are adopted/rescues and we love them just as much as a costly dog would have. We do not plan on showing them so we felt we would prefer to save a dog!

[Donna Jean]

Originally Posted by vainchick5

I don't think txshopper was trying to "rake you over hot coals" I think that's a tad dramatic. We've had a lot of unwelcomed guests from the past that like to sign on using different names and they just love to compliment themselves using different names (which is against YT policy, to have multiple accounts). There have been times when they've forgotten to switch to their alter ego's which is why there was suspicioun about your motives.

Not at all where I am coming from or where I would ever go. Sorry for your suspicions, raking someone over the coals is just an expression of how I felt about making an honest mistake. Not to be dramatic, it is just an expression. No offense intended of any kind to anyone. However I do find your suspicions very offensive.

[Morkie4]

Originally Posted by Morkie4

We purchased our Maltese from an individual who had purchased her from a petshop.........we've had no problems with her and she is a delight but I would never personally buy from a petshop......heard most, if not all, are from puppymills as "true" breeders would not sell thier litters to petshops.

I still feel the same even after those loooooooooooooong posts which I will admit, I did not read!

[YorkieShadow]

Getting back on topic. I would buy a puppy from a pet store, IF I saw one that I wanted , I sure would.
I have read over and over dont buy from pet stores they are all sick they all come from puppy mills......Not true. I have family that have bought pets from pets stores and those pets have been very healthy . Yes Im sure there are some that are sick as with some people buying off of breeders those puppys could also be sick. I know of pets stores that have bought puppys from breeders and resold them. So no not all comes from mills.No not all are sick..... So I dont know why people keep telling everyone that. If People would really try and shut down these puppy mills and work together someday some thing might be done.. But we cant even seem to stay on topic. Theres always someone worry about what one of the other members are doing.

[Shadow]

Well , I have confession to make,I have kept quite long enough. I bought Rosie from a pet store. Even after I heard all the stories. We will never shut them down by refusing to buy a pet from a petstore and not all dogs from PS are from puppy mills.
Rosie is this sweetest most loving dog I have ever owned. No big issues, compared to Rocco who came from a local breeder. The issue I have is with Rocco's aggression with her.I would never advise anyone not to buy from a pet store. All the puppies I seen at animal kingdom in Grover Beach Ca. where I got Rosie from looked better than what I have personally seen at breeders homes, and in pictures I have seen on the net and some actually here on YT.
I have been on other forums who will beat you down verbally if you admit you have a petstore dog. I have seen people search for the best breeder only to end up with a sick dog with genitic defects. I haven't had any regrets whatsoever about buying her form a petstore.The only gripe I have is what they ask for them.

[kaymo]

I think when people say don't buy from a pet store and reference sick puppies most likely they mean that pet stores keep puppy mills in business and puppy mills are infamous for having sick dogs on the premises. Many of those sick dogs are bred or used as studs and many of the sick puppies never make it to the store because they die enroute or before they ever leave the mill. Getting a puppy that may or may not be sick is just one of many reasons not to buy from a pet store. I'm sure that a lot of us know or have known someone who bought a dog from a pet store and everything seemed to turn out fine, but that doesn't take into account the poor puppy's parents, or grand parents.

I'll quote Maya Angelou "you do what you know and when you know better you do better."

[Shadow]

I'll quote Maya Angelou "you do what you know and when you know better you do better."
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I don't think I could have done better.

[red98vett]

I tried to read all the posts - but some are very long - but great input guys - and I wanted to say this.

A DEAR Friend has a pet store puppy - sure he came from a 'so called' breeder - he could be from a mill because what ETHICAL breeder would ever sell to a pet store ?? There is really no way of knowing.

He won't see his 3rd birthday.

I really hate seeing people say "sure I'll buy that pet shop puppy" because we aren't thinking of the MOMS back at the mill being bred. IF SALES DROPPED AT PET STORES - maybe they'd STOP selling puppies. Better yet - they need to BAN the sale of dogs in Pet Stores and stick to selling supplies.

At least with an ethical and CARING breeder - you have a chance of seeing the parents and knowing the dogs lineage AND health issues if the breeder is up front with you.

but if you all like paying 4-6 times the actual cost of dogs - go for it - cause that's all the PET STORES AND BROKERS do - they buy low - sell high and don't give one hoot about the puppies - it's all about the CASH.

[red98vett]

and ps....I do agree ALL dogs deserve way better than they get in this country. We treat them as a commodity and it's so WRONG.

Every pet store puppy DOES deserve love but if the mass breeding was quelched - there wouldn't be such an overpopulation and explosion on the sale of dogs - everyone seems to think they're a money making venture now and THAT needs to stop. There should be stricter laws and much better inspections and limits on the Mills and USDA licenced facilities - unfortunately - everyone is profitting from the thousands of puppies sold this way - including the AKC.

[Morkie4]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I tried to read all the posts - but some are very long - but great input guys - and I wanted to say this.

A DEAR Friend has a pet store puppy - sure he came from a 'so called' breeder - he could be from a mill because what ETHICAL breeder would ever sell to a pet store ?? There is really no way of knowing.

He won't see his 3rd birthday.

I really hate seeing people say "sure I'll buy that pet shop puppy" because we aren't thinking of the MOMS back at the mill being bred. IF SALES DROPPED AT PET STORES - maybe they'd STOP selling puppies. Better yet - they need to BAN the sale of dogs in Pet Stores and stick to selling supplies.

At least with an ethical and CARING breeder - you have a chance of seeing the parents and knowing the dogs lineage AND health issues if the breeder is up front with you.

but if you all like paying 4-6 times the actual cost of dogs - go for it - cause that's all the PET STORES AND BROKERS do - they buy low - sell high and don't give one hoot about the puppies - it's all about the CASH.

I agree, nobody has mentioned the expense of PS puppies$$$$$$, they're not cheap! Also, Go to or inquire of any "RESCUE" group and see what they have to say (its' not like all they do is rescue puppymill dogs but alot are) about PS puppies. One Rescue group I contacted had five females from a puppymill (and I'm not going to say where as that has no bearing) that the breeder wanted to get rid of the girls as he got what he wanted......litters!! It's just a sad situation that has occured in society and each of us has to make up our own minds and not "push" our thoughts so hard that it becomes a dispute rather than a discussion.