adorable blonde morkie/ will he stay blonde?

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by honeybrown_43

Regardless if you did say "All brokers are bad" you didn't have to single her out because the dicussion was basically about her so yes you were talking about her in general! Buying Reselling for a Profit.. Breeding and Selling for a small profit and to make the money back that you've already spent to take care of the pup..all in the same caboodle!! No one is giving a dog away for FREE!!! All in the same caboodle!!

LOL!! Ok I give up. Like I said before, you can lead a horse to water....

There is a little bit of a difference to me in breeding for the betterment of the breed and selling pups that are not going to be "show dogs" and buying poor examples of the breed and selling them for outrageous prices to people that do not know any better. You can talk all day about how wonderful the puppies are, all puppies are wonderful. When I buy a purebred dog I want it to at least look like a good example of the breed. But... that is MY personal preference, it sure doesn't have to be anybody elses. And on that note I am done with this thread.

[honeybrown_43]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

I'm sort of torn on this. The majority of brokers I met have been bad. I bought 3 dogs from brokers and they 2 of them had health problems (luxated patella and SEVERE kidney disease). My friend just lost her Yorkie to liver disease and she got her from a broker too. But keep in mind that these brokers came to us highly recommended and their facilities were SPOTLESS clean. The dogs were clean and beautiful -- very well groomed and the place was just immaculate. Yet we were both deceived.

But then I've heard great stories about some brokers. I've heard real life stories and met the people and their dog. So I guess everyone is different. But because of my situation with my 2 dogs, I am extremely CAUTIOUS and I will continue to be with whatever animals I get in the future.

I'm not saying Top Knotch is bad or good because I don't know her personally. She sounds very nice but then again, the broker I got my dogs from was EXTREMELY nice and friendly ... until he had my money. Once my angles got sick, his attitude changed. So I think everyone should meet the broker in person and see for themself. No one can tell anyone else what to do ... in the end, we all have to evalute the situation and decide for ourselves.

Thank You..best post yet! I just have a thing where some people think all brokers are bad. No matter where you get your dog from whether it be a breeder or a broker you have to be cautious. People are going to make their own decision on where they choose to get the dog regardless of what other people say or think.

[goldenray]

Every person has a right to go where they please for their puppy. There are a lot of people that come on this forum thinking they are going to get good information on finding a reputable breeder. Unfortunately they read some threads and are very misled my people coming in and tooting their own horns.

I applaud those of you that keep plugging away trying to inform the uninformed. Trying to save the people needless grief. If you just save one from heartache, it is worth the effort. Makes one wonder why one can post their opinion but when someone else posts theirs, arguments start. Hmm!

And I will boldly state that NO reputable breeder would place a dog with a broker, which is nothing more than a pet store without the store front. No reputable breeder would EVER sell a puppy to anyone without many conversations with the buyer to know if the puppy is right for that particular home.

And you are right divapup, reputable breeders aren't the ones that have to defend their breeding/selling practices.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by goldenray

And I will boldly state that NO reputable breeder would place a dog with a broker, which is nothing more than a pet store without the store front. No reputable breeder would EVER sell a puppy to anyone without many conversations with the buyer to know if the puppy is right for that particular home.

And you are right divapup, reputable breeders aren't the ones that have to defend their breeding/selling practices.

This is what I've always questioned ... WHY would a breeder sell their pups to a broker? Why can't the breeder find a loving home? How can they trust someone else to find a home for their babies? Wouldn't they be worried that their babies got into the hands of a bad owner?

But then I am confused when someone buys a pup from a broker and everything turns out wonderful (the dog and great and has no health issues) ... unless they just got lucky.

[Lorraine]

Frist no reputable breeder would ever sell through a third party of any sort.
In the situation of a third party sale, who backs the product in this case a live creature? The breeder who is likely unkown, the broker who doesn't know anything about the background of that pup? Who does the buyer go to when the pup is found to have Liver Shunt, or LP or just plain old isn't healthy?

[honeybrown_43]

Originally Posted by goldenray

This post is extremely offensive.

Every person has a right to go where they please for their puppy. There are a lot of people that come on this forum thinking they are going to get good information on finding a reputable breeder. Unfortunately they read some threads and are very misled my people coming in and tooting their own horns.

I applaud those of you that keep plugging away trying to inform the uninformed. Trying to save the people needless grief. If you just save one from heartache, it is worth the effort. Makes one wonder why one can post their opinion but when someone else posts theirs, arguments start. Hmm!

And I will boldly state that NO reputable breeder would place a dog with a broker, which is nothing more than a pet store without the store front. No reputable breeder would EVER sell a puppy to anyone without many conversations with the buyer to know if the puppy is right for that particular home.

And you are right divapup, reputable breeders aren't the ones that have to defend their breeding/selling practices.

What was offensive about my post! NOTHING! She was the one basically saying if you don't get your dog from a breeder they are a poor example of the breed.
I'm not even going to sit here and argue with YOU on this point because obviously you are a breeder and regardless to what I say it will always be wrong in your eyes. So my words are pointless to you.

[goldenray]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

This is what I've always questioned ... WHY would a breeder sell their pups to a broker? Why can't the breeder find a loving home? How can they trust someone else to find a home for their babies? Wouldn't they be worried that their babies got into the hands of a bad owner?

But then I am confused when someone buys a pup from a broker and everything turns out wonderful (the dog and great and has no health issues) ... unless they just got lucky.

Hi Jennifer. Believe me NO reputable breeder would place a puppy other than directly in a home they personally chose. These are my babies, well the few that I ever have It is my responsibility to make sure they go to forever homes.

Some situations do work out fine from bad situations. No one is saying there aren't some that work out ok, but the amount that don't work out is very high. Believe me I have a massively big website, I get calls like crazy from distraught owners. Some days I don't think I can hear another story. Plus we all read the stories on here. Is it worth the risk? Well each person decide for themselves, but I would atleast like them to be armed with the facts. I applaud those willing to speak out and not be intimidated.

[candybaby]

Originally Posted by honeybrown_43

Yo what is with you?? What is your personal issue against Topknotch? Seems like every post I go into where people have something good to say about them you just come back with some bullcrap. People are going to make their own decision regardless of how much you want to bash decent brokers! I just pray you never get a sick one from your sold called reputable breeder..then what??!! Your just helping promote topknotch even more because as long as you continue to bash their business people will be more and more curious to go check them out and I GUARANTEE half will be wanting a topknotch pup!!

You are absolutley right, with all this talk about topknotch (which I knew nothing about) was curious and went and looked at her site and sure enough I want to get one . Her dogs all look so loved and VERY well tooken care of and the letter from the vet really helps, well thanks everyone I have a new person to look at if I ever want another puppy. And by reading on her web-site she looks just as reputable (spelling) as all the other reputable (spelling again) breeders. So, whats the difference between the breeders and her the breeders have the parents and she doesn't, and the problem with that is...................nothing.

Thanks again everyone

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by goldenray

Hi Jennifer. Believe me NO reputable breeder would place a puppy other than directly in a home they personally chose. These are my babies, well the few that I ever have It is my responsibility to make sure they go to forever homes.

Some situations do work out fine from bad situations. No one is saying there aren't some that work out ok, but the amount that don't work out is very high. Believe me I have a massively big website, I get calls like crazy from distraught owners. Some days I don't think I can hear another story. Plus we all read the stories on here. Is it worth the risk? Well each person decide for themselves, but I would atleast like them to be armed with the facts. I applaud those willing to speak out and not be intimidated.

What you said makes a lot sense. Ever I ever bred my babies (which I NEVER would -- they are all spayed/neutered) but if I ever was a breeder, I think I'd keep all the pups because I'd be a nervous wreck!! I'd always worry if they were getting enough food and if they were being loved or god forbid being abused or hit. I think I'd seriously hurt someone if they adopted one of my babies and ever hurt them. It almost seems like some breeders are so unconcerned about their babies and their well being -- but maybe it's because they don't view them as their babies in the first place. Maybe they look at them as just a source of income. If they do, then it's really sad.

[honeybrown_43]

Originally Posted by candybaby

You are absolutley right, with all this talk about topknotch (which I knew nothing about) was curious and went and looked at her site and sure enough I want to get one . Her dogs all look so loved and VERY well tooken care of and the letter from the vet really helps, well thanks everyone I have a new person to look at if I ever want another puppy. And by reading on her web-site she looks just as reputable (spelling) as all the other reputable (spelling again) breeders. So, whats the difference between the breeders and her the breeders have the parents and she doesn't, and the problem with that is...................nothing.

Thanks again everyone

LOL.. I knew it she's probably getting tons of calls and visits this week.

[RLC12345678]

Originally Posted by honeybrown_43

I don't plan on showing my dog and she is NOT a poor example of the breed. What makes you think just because a dog came from a broker it's a poor example of the yorkie breed. Your post was stupid and i'm sure you've offended all that didn't get their pup from a breeder!

From what I can tell from your avatar, honeybrown, Jazzy is one of the most beautiful yorkies I've ever seen!!!!!! If I could get a yorkie just like her and it was healthy and a good price, I wouldn't care WHERE it came from, personally!

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by goldenray

..which is nothing more than a pet store without the store front.

Excellent point. Many would NEVER buy from a pet store yet they think it's okay to buy from a broker. Yet, brokering is essentially the same thing as a pet store...just without the store front...just as you stated.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by honeybrown_43

I don't plan on showing my dog and she is NOT a poor example of the breed. What makes you think just because a dog came from a broker it's a poor example of the yorkie breed. Your post was stupid and i'm sure you've offended all that didn't get their pup from a breeder!

Because whether you want to face it or not most brokered pups come from mills. Most mills do not have excellent examples of the breed. This is a fact of life, are you going to argue that point too?
Anyway,I was generalizing when I made that statement, not directing it at anybody in particular and the statement was all inclusive on looks, health, quality etc etc etc...You can take it personally and be insulting if you like, it makes no difference to me.

[RLC12345678]

Originally Posted by diva pup

Because whether you want to face it or not most brokered pups come from mills. Most mills do not have excellent examples of the breed. This is a fact of life, are you going to argue that point too?
Anyway,I was generalizing when I made that statement, not directing it at anybody in particular and the statement was all inclusive on looks, health, quality etc etc etc...You can take it personally and be insulting if you like, it makes no difference to me.

Most people don't really care if their puppy is an "excellent example of the breed" or not because they aren't planning on showing them.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by RLC12345678

If I could get a yorkie just like her and it was healthy and a good price, I wouldn't care WHERE it came from, personally!

I'm sorry, but this is one of the reasons why we see so many posts on YT and other places about people having sick puppies. You should care, really.