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09-11-2006, 06:46 PM | #16 |
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| autism is protected by the ada. if the dog was providing that child a service it's illegal for them to fine you or kick you out. i would contact the ada for advice. Yes, autism falls under the ADA, but unless the dog is the child's SD, they have every right to ask you to leave. If the dog belongs to the child and is her SD, then you may take it up with the management of the hotel, with the backing of ADA. Here it sounds like the dog was sometimes useful for the child, but was not her actual Service Dog. It can be very frustrating, for both Service Dog handlers and managements, if others mis-use the ADA, but are not disabled, and do not have a prescription for a Service Dog. |
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09-11-2006, 06:56 PM | #17 | |
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BTW that was also my recent experiance at the airport. Security did not check her, nor did they put the wand over her. I was able to walk through the dector with her in our arms. That was the biggest surprise. I was not able to do that with our guide dog. I actually had to leave her on the otherside and give her a command to wait, when I went through the dector they gave me the ok to call her through & then they took the wand over. This was before 9/11
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09-11-2006, 10:28 PM | #18 |
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| Sorry about your problems. I'm sure that we all know that some places (hotels, motels, and every place else) allow dogs and other places don't. So ------------------ for this reason, I would never have booked a room anyplace without knowing in advance whether or not my dog would be allowed. I would never "sneak" my dog into a hotel or motel room that doesn't allow dogs - just couldn't do it. As you learned - that can be both embarrassing and expensive. ***** I am happy though that more and more places are beginning to accept animals. This makes it easier for all of us when we travel. And - no - of course, they don't all need to accept animals - but it's nice to know that it's becoming easier to find places that do. I think there's nothing more fun than being some place with your dog - where you are all welcome and can lay back and really enjoy yourselves. Carol Jean |
09-12-2006, 01:39 AM | #19 |
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| I believe, not sure ?? But, have your dog become a therapy dog and you will be able to take her with your grandaughter anywhere.
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09-12-2006, 07:18 AM | #20 | |
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This info is correct, altho it differs from state to state but in New York State a dog needed for any handicapped person has the right to be anywhere. The rules I read were on a New York State web site on therapy dogs and siesure dogs, it continued to say that "even when a handicap was not eveident, as some are not, once you state the dog is there for a handicapped reason, the owner of the establishment is not allowed to ask you to leave. It is against the law. They are not even allowed to ask you what the handicap is... I copied these papers from the site and need to find them to fwoard you the web address. Keep your receipts because New York State WILL fine them when you reprot them. Also know that all hotels that are dog friendly charge between 20 to 50 more per night for having a dog with you, whether there is damage or not but they do not call it a fine. The fines will be returned if you report this hotel.
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09-12-2006, 08:08 AM | #21 |
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| This was in our local paper last night.Kinda timely. It did make AP. It happened in Seattle. Handicapped woman wins second bias case Seattle (AP)-For the second time, a handicapped woman has won a discrimination case against a motel that denied her a room because of the service dog she needs to pull her wheelchair. On Aug 29 a city hearing examiner ordered the Georgian Motel to pay Dawn Lucas $2500.00 and post a sign on the front desk saying service dogs are welcome. Motel owener Bill Han could not be reached for comment except to say he will appeal. Lucas, 37who now lives in a subsidized apartment, won a similar case in 2003 when the city's civil rights office negotiated a $300 settlement with the Way West motel. "It's not about the money," Lucas told the Seattle Post-Intellingencer for an article published today. She said the purpose was to raise awarenss that people other than the blind rely on service dogs and that they should not be considered merely pets. The 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act requires access for service animals, which are trained to perform some functions for people with disabilities. Lucas says she and her dog Otter are readily admitted to the Pike Place Medical Clinic, Westlake Center and various movie theaters. Her second discrimination case arose in May 2004 after she received a disability check and sought a night of privacy at an inexpensive motel after sleeping on two chairs pushed together in a room with 15 other women at YWCA Angeline's Center for Homeless Women. When she arrived with Otter, however, the motel manager told her, "we don't allow pets," and would not relent after she showed him a note from her doctor that verified her reliance on the dog and Otter's certification from a training school. As a result she had to return to the shelter. end of article. Just something to keep in mind, we do have the disabilities act however, while they are required to allow access, but as you saw they do not have to let you have access. They are suppose to, but if they don't the disabled person has to find an alternative and then take them to court. It is wrong. Once again for me this is why I can not sneak my furbaby in. I know what it is like to be out with a service dog and be denied access.
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09-12-2006, 08:33 AM | #22 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: shawnee ks
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| Again, thanks to everyone for input. We did not even mention to the hotel that our granddaughter has Autism. It did not even occur to us as. All of your information has been informative. Much appreciated! |
09-12-2006, 08:34 AM | #23 |
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| geez, thats terrible
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09-12-2006, 08:39 AM | #24 | |
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09-13-2006, 03:35 PM | #25 | |
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Kansas can NOT be offensive to your York8ie, too much like TOTO I would think
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09-13-2006, 03:48 PM | #26 |
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| Just for everybody's info. Hotels or other public places are legally not allowed to (1) charge any additional fee for a medical support or service animal, (2) ask for any sort of identification or proof of the bona fide nature of the service animal, or (3) ask for proof of your medical condition requiring a service animal...This is according to the Americans with Disabilities Act at least. However, you are required to identify that you have a service animal with you in a place that does not normally allow animals. Then the establishment is allowed to ask you what function the animal is trained to perform. Emotional support is recognized as a legitimate service under the ADA. The only exception to this rule is commercial airline flights. Other than that you are not required to give them any other information, and once they eject you they are in violation of the law. I am quite positive of this as the firm I work for has litigated several access cases on behalf of people who genuinely use dogs as emotional support for panick disorders, agoraphobia, etc.
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09-13-2006, 03:58 PM | #27 |
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| http://www.deltasociety.org/ServiceInformationBasic.htm go here & read this/you may find it helpful and it may clarify (I am still searching for the pages I read specifically on New York State And what I read in the NYS one is that no one could ask the reason the SD was with a patient/it specified that most people could not distiguish a SD dog if a disability was not visible but it was still not allowed to be questioned, hopfully I can find that page. be back when I can
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09-13-2006, 03:59 PM | #28 |
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| http://www.dogplay.com/Activities/Therapy/special.html here is another one I researched before my last trip to NY
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09-14-2006, 04:51 PM | #29 |
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| Sound laugh!!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't misunderstand what I will say... After reading this post, I was here, seriously thinking about service animals... Luna was walking beside me, and I hold her to ask her (don't we all talk to our yorkies???LOL) Are you my little service animal?????? I could see that evil sight on her eyes... and I could swear she told me... NO, YOU are MY service animal.... I am so sorry your baby was not welcomed at the hotel... Next time try La Quinta Hotels, Luna was a VIP guest last time...
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09-15-2006, 10:29 PM | #30 | |
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YOU ARE SO RIGHT, we all are their service animals (in fact even tonight, I thought I might sit in my chair and relax, then Chloe asked for something from the kitchen, so I went, then as soon as I sat down, Sissy brings me her ball and wants to play, so I did, then as soon as I sit down, Chloe wants to run in the yard and chase chipmonks, so I do (not chase them but take her outside & let her as I sit and watch) Finally I come in and decide to give up on the chair & any idea of relaxing, NOW Chloe & I are sitting at my keyboard (any mis-spellings are hers) Sissy is sitting on my feet making them tickle and go numb YUP we are here to service them!
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