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ButterflyYorkie · 08-03-2006, 06:52 PM

Please don't get discouraged. Sometimes it takes a little time with anyone's litter to find the "perfect" home for our babies. In the end, there is always someone who isn't concerned with size as much, just wants a little dog to love. You WILL find the right homes for your babies. It just doesn't always happen over night. As long as you are being an honest, fair breeder with her heart in the right place, you will find that the majority of people are looking for THAT, rather than the size of their puppies. If you want to pm me with pics of your babies and what you are offering them for, maybe I can help you a bit. 50% of my inquiries are not for tiny yorkies. Best wishes,

Bama Yorkie Mom · 08-03-2006, 06:56 PM

well personally JMO. But there are so many people like I was. I didnt know these puppies would grow sometimes over twice what a breeder said and everyone here knows I was really aggravated about it for a while. Well, I love kizzy and she is over 8 lbs now and was only suppose to be around 4 by word of breeder. So to me it is always better to be honest about the size and just say I dont know how big but you can only look at the parents and judge by them but this one could be larger or smaller. And tell them, there is no such thing as a teacup, Some just end up small and some dont. I'm sure most people here remember me being angry because Kizzy got so much bigger. But it wasnt the kizzy getting so much bigger that made me angry at the breeder. I got mad because she kept promising me it WOULD NOT get bigger than 4 lbs. I mean she didnt even say 4 or 5. just exactly 4, like she really knew. Well it was my first one to ever buy and I took her for her word but why I got so mad was she had 2 almost the same size, maybe a lb difference, and their was a 300 dollar price increase between the two. So see, its not always because the dog gets bigger, it has a lot to do with what the breeder expresses like (I KNOW) and ups the price that much because she knows you're looking for a lap dog. And 8 lbs sounds big to a person looking for a small one. But actually 8 lbs for a dog isnt big at all. Kizzy isnt all the big, she still sits in our lap and we still love her and she is a smart girl. To me she isnt the prettiest one ive ever seen but she is only 6 mos and maybe in that straggly looking age with her hair growing slow. But I told hubby one night recently, I believe Kizzy is going to be a pretty dog when her hair grows more and she wont look like her legs are as long. He agreed. But see, this hurts a breeder reputation to plainly state the size one will be and to charge 300 more bux for it. So I think you would come out much better and keep a better breeder rep for being honest than to lie for money and thats whats going on with a lot of breeders. I'm not the first to be taken like that and I wont be the last. I mean, she acted like she was such an expert on size and to me when you act like something you're not, IT IS A LIE. Kacee might end up lots bigger also but at least the girl told me she didnt know but didnt expect over 5 lbs or so but could get bigger and I paid less for her than I did kizzy. to me honesty is always the best policy period. ya know what they say. Money is the root of all evil. Sorry this was so long but I felt I had to say it.

lolabella · 08-03-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoey's Momma

This "teacup" crap has gotten way out of hand. Why can't people just love a dog, no matter if they're 4 or 12 pounds? It's really sad! My Yorkie is a healthy 6 pounds now, and I adore her! I could just kick the person who made up "teacup Yorkies".

I hear ya.
I did not ask how much the Yorkies I looked at weighed or would weigh when I was looking at Yorkies, but to tell you the truth, I did want a Yorkie close to the standard, meaning at or under 7 lbs full grown. On the other hand, I really do not see the difference between a 10 lbs. Yorkie and a 7 lbs. Yorkie. Honestly, weight is just a number. Mia weighed a wopping 3.5 lbs at 9 weeks, and I couldn't care less because she was such a chubby little cutie heart. She hasn't grown as fast as I expected, but I tell hubby that the more she gains weight, the more I will lose weight so I won't mind carrying her around

If she ends up 10 lbs, I will just have to lose 10 lbs. LOL She is already a part of my heart anyway.
So yeah, I totally did not answer your post properly, dear TeddyandTiffy, but I do wish the best for your little pups. Maybe YT'ers would get them knowing what BS weight concerns are??? Best wishes either way.

Rae Rae · 08-03-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

You don't want your babies going to someone who's biggest concern is size anyway.

You took the words out of my mouth. It is sad about this whole T-cup fad. One of my friends told me "you should've gotten a teacup" and I'm like "theres no such thing, it's just a smaller yorkie" then he understood, but before he had no knowledge of it.

ehunney · 08-03-2006, 07:03 PM

Sweetheart, please don't let these foolish people, make you question how precious your babies are. If they are calling about "teacup" yorkies, then they obviously are not knowlegdable about the breed, or small breed dogs in general, which means they probaly are not the right people to own one of your pups, anyhow. My next puppy is expected to be 3.5-4 lbs. fully grown, but that is not why i picked him, haha. I picked him because he was cute as a button. He could of been a 10 pounder, I wouldn't have cared. I just wanted a yorkie with a pretty coat color,and a cute face. Don't worry! The right people/owners are out there waiting to get one of your puppies. Plus 7-8 pounds may be "large" for a yorkie, but that's still very small for a dogs! I have 10 pound bags of chicken in my freezer that are bigger then that! LOL

Bama Yorkie Mom · 08-03-2006, 07:07 PM

Oh yes, I wanted to say also. I still carry Kizzy in my arms to her bed every night like a little baby and tell her goodnight and I love her. I guess I still will if she gets to 12 lbs. She is still a baby to me.
Good luck with selling your puppies and I wish all people were as honest as you seem to be. The world would be a better place.

ButterflyYorkie · 08-03-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bama Yorkie Mom

well personally JMO. But there are so many people like I was. I didnt know these puppies would grow sometimes over twice what a breeder said and everyone here knows I was really aggravated about it for a while. Well, I love kizzy and she is over 8 lbs now and was only suppose to be around 4 by word of breeder. So to me it is always better to be honest about the size and just say I dont know how big but you can only look at the parents and judge by them but this one could be larger or smaller. And tell them, there is no such thing as a teacup, Some just end up small and some dont. I'm sure most people here remember me being angry because Kizzy got so much bigger. But it wasnt the kizzy getting so much bigger that made me angry at the breeder. I got mad because she kept promising me it WOULD NOT get bigger than 4 lbs. I mean she didnt even say 4 or 5. just exactly 4, like she really knew. Well it was my first one to ever buy and I took her for her word but why I got so mad was she had 2 almost the same size, maybe a lb difference, and their was a 300 dollar price increase between the two. So see, its not always because the dog gets bigger, it has a lot to do with what the breeder expresses like (I KNOW) and ups the price that much because she knows you're looking for a lap dog. And 8 lbs sounds big to a person looking for a small one. But actually 8 lbs for a dog isnt big at all. Kizzy isnt all the big, she still sits in our lap and we still love her and she is a smart girl. To me she isnt the prettiest one ive ever seen but she is only 6 mos and maybe in that straggly looking age with her hair growing slow. But I told hubby one night recently, I believe Kizzy is going to be a pretty dog when her hair grows more and she wont look like her legs are as long. He agreed. But see, this hurts a breeder reputation to plainly state the size one will be and to charge 300 more bux for it. So I think you would come out much better and keep a better breeder rep for being honest than to lie for money and thats whats going on with a lot of breeders. I'm not the first to be taken like that and I wont be the last. I mean, she acted like she was such an expert on size and to me when you act like something you're not, IT IS A LIE. Kacee might end up lots bigger also but at least the girl told me she didnt know but didnt expect over 5 lbs or so but could get bigger and I paid less for her than I did kizzy. to me honesty is always the best policy period. ya know what they say. Money is the root of all evil.

I'd also like to say that sometimes with breeders, they really can't tell what a pup is going to be when they are placed in a new home around 12 wks of age. I had one in the past that really fooled me! Most of the time we have a general idea of what a certain pup is going to be size-wise at maturity, but we are sometimes thrown a loop that we didn't expect. Living things will always be something that is tough to predict to a tee. As human beings we should be able to relate to this...some very chunky children mature to be of super model body status and some skinny kids tend to become "bigger boned" as an adult. Most breeders know the background of their parents and line, and are able to give a good estimate, but nothing is fool proof. There are sometimes puppies that we know are not going to get very big as an adult because it is obvious.. but with an "average" acceptable weight regarding the breed standard for the age, sometimes they can fool us no matter what we think.

ButterflyYorkie · 08-03-2006, 07:15 PM

This is for the original poster, it's a cross post of something I posted in the breeding forum. Best wishes,

Here's a quote from the Ann Seranne book, "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show dog". I'm sure that some of you out there with 2nd, 3rd and 4th gens of your own can relate.

"Sex-Linked Genes

Theses are located only in the X and Y chromosomes and can alter expected ratios.

Of interest to many breeders, who have trouble controlling the size of their puppies, is the theory that a bitch is genetically larger for her size than a dog. When two dogs of the same size are bred, the male offspring are often larger than their dam and the female offspring are likely to be smaller than their sire.

On the other hand, because of quantitative genes it is possible to breed a large bitch to a small male and have a litter of average-size puppies. This applies only to the first generation. When these puppies are bred, there will be a substantial variation in the size of their offspring."

Bama Yorkie Mom · 08-03-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyYorkie

I'd also like to say that sometimes with breeders, they really can't tell what a pup is going to be when they are placed in a new home around 12 wks of age. I had one in the past that really fooled me! Most of the time we have a general idea of what a certain pup is going to be size-wise at maturity, but we are sometimes thrown a loop that we didn't expect. Living things will always be something that is tough to predict to a tee. As human beings we should be able to relate to this...some very chunky children mature to be of super model body status and some skinny kids tend to become "bigger boned" as an adult. Most breeders know the background of their parents and line, and are able to give a good estimate, but nothing is fool proof. There are sometimes puppies that we know are not going to get very big as an adult because it is obvious.. but with an "average" acceptable weight regarding the breed standard for the age, sometimes they can fool us no matter what we think.

ok, but she sold me Kizzy at 6 weeks and 2 days old. So whatever, there was no reason for her to tell me that. All I got to say about this.

lily's mom · 08-03-2006, 07:54 PM

When I bought Lily, I asked the breeder several times about size. Not because I wanted her small but because I wanted her bigger. When people say they want a teacup do you tell them what you really think of owning a smaller yorkie? I am sure if I were a breeder I would tell people and then not let them buy one of my babies.

ButterflyYorkie · 08-03-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bama Yorkie Mom

ok, but she sold me Kizzy at 6 weeks and 2 days old. So whatever, there was no reason for her to tell me that. All I got to say about this.

You are right. There was no reason for her to give you that estimate at her age. Shame on her I say. Anyway, as long as she is healthy and you love her, your baby was the winner in the situation. It erks me to no end with breeders placing babies at such a tender age. I wish you the best always.

doortego · 08-03-2006, 08:08 PM

Always tell prospective buyers the truth. You don't want someone to buy your dog and become unhappy with them not being what they wanted. That puppy might very well end up as an outside dog, a stray, and eventually in a pound. If you feel they will be larger, you might want to add the size of the parents to your ad. You may not make any money on this but you character will benefit. Good luck on finding just the right "forever" home for your babies.

Bama Yorkie Mom · 08-03-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterflyYorkie

You are right. There was no reason for her to give you that estimate at her age. Shame on her I say. Anyway, as long as she is healthy and you love her, your baby was the winner in the situation. It erks me to no end with breeders placing babies at such a tender age. I wish you the best always.

thank you. I appreciate that and I and my husband love her dearly. she sleeps in his lap everynight in his chair till hubby goes to bed.

yorkieusa · 08-03-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

Well I put an ad in the newspaper to "Try" to sell my 3 babies...Not going to good as EVERY SINGLE person that calls WANTS that TEACUP or LITTLE or TINY Yorkie under 3 lbs as an adult!! I tell each person who calls the truth about how big I think my babies will grow to be. (Sir. Lancelot I think will be big like Tiffanie I'd say 8 to 10 lbs...He may fool me and be smaller, Princess Arimathea & Princess Isabella will I think be around Teddy's size under 7 lbs.) I NEVER put anything in my ad as to what size they are or will be...I tell them how big the parents are and they are like well I WANT A TEACUP!!!! I tell them I WON'T & DON'T lie about my babies...But no one seems to want to get one of my babies...They won't even take the chance to look @ them...This is so very very sad for my dolls for they ALL 4 are so pretty, sweet and loving who don't even KNOW about size!! It really bothers me that everyone has labeled Yorkies Little, Tiny or Teacup, it's really hard for those who are not going to be that size! What would U all do in my case??? I just feel my babies are so sweet and deserve good homes too even tho they aren't gonna be so little and tiny!!! I need to get off here we're getting ready to get hammered with bad storms..Hugs & Many thanks, Lee & Babies

I look for yorkies this size. They are sooooooo much fun to play and romp with and I still take them everywhere I go. I plan to get another one later - same size. To me, they are the perfect size. We can run like fools in the yard. We can trip and fall down without breaking our bones. We can live life to the fullest! I hope your storms weren't very bad.

yougetthesmiles · 08-03-2006, 09:55 PM

make sure you tell them there is NO such thing as a "tea cup" yorkie!!
And also let them know the dangers of having a smaller yorkie, I contantly have to look down when I walk cause you never know if she is right by my feet. One wrong move and they could seriously be hurt!! all you can do is educate these " inexperienced" people.

08-03-2006, 06:56 PM	#17
Bama Yorkie Mom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,134	well personally JMO. But there are so many people like I was. I didnt know these puppies would grow sometimes over twice what a breeder said and everyone here knows I was really aggravated about it for a while. Well, I love kizzy and she is over 8 lbs now and was only suppose to be around 4 by word of breeder. So to me it is always better to be honest about the size and just say I dont know how big but you can only look at the parents and judge by them but this one could be larger or smaller. And tell them, there is no such thing as a teacup, Some just end up small and some dont. I'm sure most people here remember me being angry because Kizzy got so much bigger. But it wasnt the kizzy getting so much bigger that made me angry at the breeder. I got mad because she kept promising me it WOULD NOT get bigger than 4 lbs. I mean she didnt even say 4 or 5. just exactly 4, like she really knew. Well it was my first one to ever buy and I took her for her word but why I got so mad was she had 2 almost the same size, maybe a lb difference, and their was a 300 dollar price increase between the two. So see, its not always because the dog gets bigger, it has a lot to do with what the breeder expresses like (I KNOW) and ups the price that much because she knows you're looking for a lap dog. And 8 lbs sounds big to a person looking for a small one. But actually 8 lbs for a dog isnt big at all. Kizzy isnt all the big, she still sits in our lap and we still love her and she is a smart girl. To me she isnt the prettiest one ive ever seen but she is only 6 mos and maybe in that straggly looking age with her hair growing slow. But I told hubby one night recently, I believe Kizzy is going to be a pretty dog when her hair grows more and she wont look like her legs are as long. He agreed. But see, this hurts a breeder reputation to plainly state the size one will be and to charge 300 more bux for it. So I think you would come out much better and keep a better breeder rep for being honest than to lie for money and thats whats going on with a lot of breeders. I'm not the first to be taken like that and I wont be the last. I mean, she acted like she was such an expert on size and to me when you act like something you're not, IT IS A LIE. Kacee might end up lots bigger also but at least the girl told me she didnt know but didnt expect over 5 lbs or so but could get bigger and I paid less for her than I did kizzy. to me honesty is always the best policy period. ya know what they say. Money is the root of all evil. Sorry this was so long but I felt I had to say it. __________________ Linda and Maggie http://www.dogster.com/dogs/490696. http://www.dropshots.com/mnl Last edited by Bama Yorkie Mom; 08-03-2006 at 07:01 PM.

08-03-2006, 07:03 PM	#20
ehunney Princess Bella Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: virginia Posts: 2,186	Sweetheart, please don't let these foolish people, make you question how precious your babies are. If they are calling about "teacup" yorkies, then they obviously are not knowlegdable about the breed, or small breed dogs in general, which means they probaly are not the right people to own one of your pups, anyhow. My next puppy is expected to be 3.5-4 lbs. fully grown, but that is not why i picked him, haha. I picked him because he was cute as a button. He could of been a 10 pounder, I wouldn't have cared. I just wanted a yorkie with a pretty coat color,and a cute face. Don't worry! The right people/owners are out there waiting to get one of your puppies. Plus 7-8 pounds may be "large" for a yorkie, but that's still very small for a dogs! I have 10 pound bags of chicken in my freezer that are bigger then that! LOL __________________ I miss you two more then words can express, but I still have hope that I'll find you and hold you again! Tucker and Teddy always say: "If I want it, it's mine and if I put it in my mouth, it's food."

08-03-2006, 07:07 PM	#21
Bama Yorkie Mom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,134	Oh yes, I wanted to say also. I still carry Kizzy in my arms to her bed every night like a little baby and tell her goodnight and I love her. I guess I still will if she gets to 12 lbs. She is still a baby to me. Good luck with selling your puppies and I wish all people were as honest as you seem to be. The world would be a better place. __________________ Linda and Maggie http://www.dogster.com/dogs/490696. http://www.dropshots.com/mnl

08-03-2006, 07:54 PM	#25
lily's mom Lily Loves Maximus Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,633	When I bought Lily, I asked the breeder several times about size. Not because I wanted her small but because I wanted her bigger. When people say they want a teacup do you tell them what you really think of owning a smaller yorkie? I am sure if I were a breeder I would tell people and then not let them buy one of my babies. __________________ Lily and Dawn

08-03-2006, 08:08 PM	#27
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	Honesty is the best policy Always tell prospective buyers the truth. You don't want someone to buy your dog and become unhappy with them not being what they wanted. That puppy might very well end up as an outside dog, a stray, and eventually in a pound. If you feel they will be larger, you might want to add the size of the parents to your ad. You may not make any money on this but you character will benefit. Good luck on finding just the right "forever" home for your babies.

08-03-2006, 06:52 PM	#16
ButterflyYorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC Posts: 743	Please don't get discouraged. Sometimes it takes a little time with anyone's litter to find the "perfect" home for our babies. In the end, there is always someone who isn't concerned with size as much, just wants a little dog to love. You WILL find the right homes for your babies. It just doesn't always happen over night. As long as you are being an honest, fair breeder with her heart in the right place, you will find that the majority of people are looking for THAT, rather than the size of their puppies. If you want to pm me with pics of your babies and what you are offering them for, maybe I can help you a bit. 50% of my inquiries are not for tiny yorkies. Best wishes,

08-03-2006, 07:15 PM	#23
ButterflyYorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC Posts: 743	This is for the original poster, it's a cross post of something I posted in the breeding forum. Best wishes, Here's a quote from the Ann Seranne book, "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show dog". I'm sure that some of you out there with 2nd, 3rd and 4th gens of your own can relate. "Sex-Linked Genes Theses are located only in the X and Y chromosomes and can alter expected ratios. Of interest to many breeders, who have trouble controlling the size of their puppies, is the theory that a bitch is genetically larger for her size than a dog. When two dogs of the same size are bred, the male offspring are often larger than their dam and the female offspring are likely to be smaller than their sire. On the other hand, because of quantitative genes it is possible to breed a large bitch to a small male and have a litter of average-size puppies. This applies only to the first generation. When these puppies are bred, there will be a substantial variation in the size of their offspring."

08-03-2006, 09:55 PM	#30
yougetthesmiles BANNED FOR NOT MAILING PRODUCTS PURCHASED Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,295 Blog Entries: 3	make sure you tell them there is NO such thing as a "tea cup" yorkie!! And also let them know the dangers of having a smaller yorkie, I contantly have to look down when I walk cause you never know if she is right by my feet. One wrong move and they could seriously be hurt!! all you can do is educate these " inexperienced" people.