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TeddyandTiffy · 07-21-2006, 07:52 PM

I called about an ad for a yorkee in our local paper. Well this is what the ad said: "Reg. Teacup Yorkees for sale, call anytime." Well I ask her how much and she said $1200.00 for females and $1100.00 for males.. They are CKC not AKC...Does this make a difference in the price of Yorkee puppies?? Well I ask her why so much...What makes them worth it? She said well they will be TEACUP...I said and what do U mean by TEACUP...Well they will ALL be under 7 lbs...(Is this size teacup?? If so then Teddy is a teacup for he is under 7 lbs.) I ask how old they are? Just turned 6 weeks old, I ask her are their mothers or fathers AKC champion??? NO. What do U feed them? She said ah, I can't remember the name of the food...(Sounded funny to me) (Mine's on Sience Diet, I don't forget mine!). Finally she came up with it. Same as mine, after I told her what mine were on! Then I ask her when they was ready to go to a new home...She said now...I said @ 6 weeks? I have some that are 11 weeks & I'm just now getting ready to look for them new homes...She said oh no I mean I'll be taking deposits...I said how many shots have they had? She said just one this week. I ask about wormer...Just one this week. So what do U all think...I don't know about people around here. No I haven't even went and saw the puppy and the ad is still in the paper from last week! I just thought I'd call and see what kind of people are selling Yorkees around our home town for and how they treat their Yorkees. Sounds like to me she is a con artist...Just tell U what U want to hear...Thinking I'd be dumb...Do U all think she is a real good breeder? Well they don't know I come here @ Yorkee.com to learn & I learn from the best! LOL! Hugs, Lee

peanut · 07-21-2006, 07:57 PM

First of all I am not a breeder but there isn't such a thing as a teacup, then most good breeders don't let there puppies go until they are 12 weeks old, and then if she doesn't know what she feeds them, I would look somewhere else....but I am sure others YT will have a bunch of comments for you...Good Luck!

txshopper73 · 07-21-2006, 08:00 PM

BYB at it's best!

candybaby · 07-21-2006, 08:06 PM

She does not sound like a good breeder. She sounds like someone who bred her dogs and is trying to get a quick buck. Come on you don't know what your dogs eat

thats dumb she should know those things. And there are only small yorkies not teacups and even if one was trying to sell a teacup it should be around 3-4.5 pounds, not 7.

baby03 · 07-21-2006, 08:50 PM

Doesn't sound to promising!!!!!!!

Zoey's Momma · 07-21-2006, 08:53 PM

Tisk Tisk, another breeder breeding dogs only to make a profit.

Lyz517 · 07-21-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I called about an ad for a yorkee in our local paper. Well this is what the ad said: "Reg. Teacup Yorkees for sale, call anytime." Well I ask her how much and she said $1200.00 for females and $1100.00 for males.. They are CKC not AKC...Does this make a difference in the price of Yorkee puppies?? Well I ask her why so much...What makes them worth it? She said well they will be TEACUP...I said and what do U mean by TEACUP...Well they will ALL be under 7 lbs...(Is this size teacup?? If so then Teddy is a teacup for he is under 7 lbs.) I ask how old they are? Just turned 6 weeks old, I ask her are their mothers or fathers AKC champion??? NO. What do U feed them? She said ah, I can't remember the name of the food...(Sounded funny to me) (Mine's on Sience Diet, I don't forget mine!). Finally she came up with it. Same as mine, after I told her what mine were on! Then I ask her when they was ready to go to a new home...She said now...I said @ 6 weeks? I have some that are 11 weeks & I'm just now getting ready to look for them new homes...She said oh no I mean I'll be taking deposits...I said how many shots have they had? She said just one this week. I ask about wormer...Just one this week. So what do U all think...I don't know about people around here. No I haven't even went and saw the puppy and the ad is still in the paper from last week! I just thought I'd call and see what kind of people are selling Yorkees around our home town for and how they treat their Yorkees. Sounds like to me she is a con artist...Just tell U what U want to hear...Thinking I'd be dumb...Do U all think she is a real good breeder? Well they don't know I come here @ Yorkee.com to learn & I learn from the best! LOL! Hugs, Lee

Some people will pay more for a AKC dog, some will think a dog that isnt AKC should cost less. This though doesnt mean quality or health. Teacup is usually used to describe the size of a dog in some cases to charge more, tinies are usually 4lbs and under full grown. There is no such thing as a teacup yorkie, a yorkie is a toy breed, whether it weighs 3lbs or 10lbs+ but AKC standard is that it shouldnt exceed 7lbs.
Worming and shots vary by breeder preference, some will start at 6wks others at 8wks. Breeders sometimes will not worm at all if they do not see the need for it, a fecal exam of one of the pups done should determine if its needed. Letting a puppy go at 6wks is crazy!! There are laws in some states on what is the earlies age a pup can be sold, most are 8wks. This I wouldnt go by even if legal, whats best for the pups comes first. Its great you still have your babies at 11wks! I bet your enjoying them.

Science diet is pricey but it really is not the best food. You can buy a better food at about the same price. Check labels for ingredients, first should always be meat, try to avoid foods with by-products, corn, fillers. There is LOTS in this forum about food, lol!
I would avoid a breeder like that, she doesnt sound like she knows much. Hard to know if she just doesnt know or if she is a con artist, only if you would see the pups would you know if they even existed.

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TeddyandTiffy · 07-22-2006, 05:03 AM

I kinda thought she was just selling for money and that bothers me...I would like not to see those people here in our state..I was thinking about our talk this morning and I remember her sayin' that if U say Teacup they sell so fast...That made me mad and she also said people don't care about the AKC or CKC...So to me if she is sellin' these babies @ 6 weeks old sure they are tiny and sure they look like a toy puppy...But once they get older they are most likely gonna be around Teddys size I'd say and that would be bad for the people who buy them thinking they are getting a 3 or 4 pounder when really they are gonna be in my Teddys size. I feel for them. I would rather have bigger healther babies then not. As far as dog food can U all give me some ideas on better dog foods for about the same price as we're paying for the Science Diet?? Our's seems to be doing great on this kind. Any thoughts? Hugs and many thanks on U're thoughts.

Lorraine · 07-22-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I kinda thought she was just selling for money and that bothers me...I would like not to see those people here in our state..I was thinking about our talk this morning and I remember her sayin' that if U say Teacup they sell so fast...That made me mad and she also said people don't care about the AKC or CKC...So to me if she is sellin' these babies @ 6 weeks old sure they are tiny and sure they look like a toy puppy...But once they get older they are most likely gonna be around Teddys size I'd say and that would be bad for the people who buy them thinking they are getting a 3 or 4 pounder when really they are gonna be in my Teddys size. I feel for them. I would rather have bigger healther babies then not. As far as dog food can U all give me some ideas on better dog foods for about the same price as we're paying for the Science Diet?? Our's seems to be doing great on this kind. Any thoughts? Hugs and many thanks on U're thoughts.

I would run the other way pretty fast and forget getting one there. The Continental Kennel Club registry is not recognized by the AKC. If the parents are not AKC registered, then the pup cannot be AKC registered. If you are buying a purebred pup and paying the price for a purebred, it should be registered with a registry that will register Purebred dogs only with generations of registered dogs which the AKC does in the US and the Canadian Kennel Club does in Canada.

Lacy's Mom · 07-22-2006, 10:00 AM

Sounds like this person has not done any research to produce quality Yorkies or any breed for that matter. I know you're just looking at the "competition", but that would be a good example of how not to answer questions. I know you have more knowledge than she does and would answer the questions more appropriately. As a breeder you should have the knowledge to educate your buyers on the standards and health concerns.

topknot · 07-22-2006, 11:01 AM

Yes, run in the other direction as far as you can go.
First of all - there is no such thing as teacups in our standard. And secondly - the standard calls for the weight not to exceed 7 pounds. We are not poodles and do not have different standards of sizes.
She apparently is not an informed breeder and does not know what she is doing. Sorry. This is so sad. How hard is it to research about the breed before bring new pups into this world?
T.

topknot · 07-22-2006, 11:08 AM

Because of this - breeders not researching and learning about the standard before breeding - I have seen/heard the quality go down over the years. When I first was into yorkies - 80's and 90's you very rarely saw/heard of blue or chocolate (sorry don't mean to offend anyone) pups, or laxtating petellas, or liver shunts. Infact back then you didn't hear of hardly any yorkies having these problems. If this type of breeding continues - where people do not educate themselves - where will the quality end up? This is why I research and learn all I can before producing a litter. Ultimately I am responsible for their gene pool and what they carry on.

chachi · 07-22-2006, 11:22 AM

[QUOTE=topknot]Because of this - breeders not researching and learning about the standard before breeding - I have seen/heard the quality go down over the years. When I first was into yorkies - 80's and 90's you very rarely saw/heard of blue or chocolate (sorry don't mean to offend anyone) pups, or laxtating petellas, or liver shunts. Infact back then you didn't hear of hardly any yorkies having these problems. If this type of breeding continues - where people do not educate themselves - where will the quality end up? This is why I research and learn all I can before producing a litter. Ultimately I am responsible for their gene pool and what they carry on.[/QUOTEI thought chocolate yorkies could just happpen to any breeder. Are you saying it is always the result of bad breeding?

topknot · 07-22-2006, 11:30 AM

I had never seen or heard of a chocolate, liver, or blue puppy back in the 80's and 90's when I showed. Not until now, when I started back and started to research and learned what was happening to others. I know some people love the other colors - not standard. But IMO I prefer staying within the standard.

Here is a link form TYCA on this issue:
http://ytca.org/frame_index2.html Go to frequently asked questions.

topknot · 07-22-2006, 11:34 AM

This is a quote from YTCA site (frequently asked questions).
"The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases long-term illness and/or death.
A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly. That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never promote these deviations as being desirable or rare. "

They also have information regarding "teacups."

07-21-2006, 07:52 PM	#1
TeddyandTiffy Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seymour, Indiana Posts: 1,384	Is this a real breeder? I called about an ad for a yorkee in our local paper. Well this is what the ad said: "Reg. Teacup Yorkees for sale, call anytime." Well I ask her how much and she said $1200.00 for females and $1100.00 for males.. They are CKC not AKC...Does this make a difference in the price of Yorkee puppies?? Well I ask her why so much...What makes them worth it? She said well they will be TEACUP...I said and what do U mean by TEACUP...Well they will ALL be under 7 lbs...(Is this size teacup?? If so then Teddy is a teacup for he is under 7 lbs.) I ask how old they are? Just turned 6 weeks old, I ask her are their mothers or fathers AKC champion??? NO. What do U feed them? She said ah, I can't remember the name of the food...(Sounded funny to me) (Mine's on Sience Diet, I don't forget mine!). Finally she came up with it. Same as mine, after I told her what mine were on! Then I ask her when they was ready to go to a new home...She said now...I said @ 6 weeks? I have some that are 11 weeks & I'm just now getting ready to look for them new homes...She said oh no I mean I'll be taking deposits...I said how many shots have they had? She said just one this week. I ask about wormer...Just one this week. So what do U all think...I don't know about people around here. No I haven't even went and saw the puppy and the ad is still in the paper from last week! I just thought I'd call and see what kind of people are selling Yorkees around our home town for and how they treat their Yorkees. Sounds like to me she is a con artist...Just tell U what U want to hear...Thinking I'd be dumb...Do U all think she is a real good breeder? Well they don't know I come here @ Yorkee.com to learn & I learn from the best! LOL! Hugs, Lee Last edited by TeddyandTiffy; 07-21-2006 at 07:55 PM.

07-21-2006, 07:57 PM	#2
peanut Dogs Rule Cats Drool! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 7,895	First of all I am not a breeder but there isn't such a thing as a teacup, then most good breeders don't let there puppies go until they are 12 weeks old, and then if she doesn't know what she feeds them, I would look somewhere else....but I am sure others YT will have a bunch of comments for you...Good Luck! __________________ KIM

07-21-2006, 08:00 PM	#3
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	BYB at it's best! __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

07-21-2006, 08:06 PM	#4
candybaby Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: N. California Posts: 1,316	She does not sound like a good breeder. She sounds like someone who bred her dogs and is trying to get a quick buck. Come on you don't know what your dogs eat thats dumb she should know those things. And there are only small yorkies not teacups and even if one was trying to sell a teacup it should be around 3-4.5 pounds, not 7. __________________ Candee, Bear, Daizy (in spirit, R.I.P) and Pepsi's mommy

07-22-2006, 11:22 AM	#13
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	[QUOTE=topknot]Because of this - breeders not researching and learning about the standard before breeding - I have seen/heard the quality go down over the years. When I first was into yorkies - 80's and 90's you very rarely saw/heard of blue or chocolate (sorry don't mean to offend anyone) pups, or laxtating petellas, or liver shunts. Infact back then you didn't hear of hardly any yorkies having these problems. If this type of breeding continues - where people do not educate themselves - where will the quality end up? This is why I research and learn all I can before producing a litter. Ultimately I am responsible for their gene pool and what they carry on.[/QUOTEI thought chocolate yorkies could just happpen to any breeder. Are you saying it is always the result of bad breeding? __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

07-21-2006, 08:50 PM	#5
baby03 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: us Posts: 2,255	Doesn't sound to promising!!!!!!!

07-21-2006, 08:53 PM	#6
Zoey's Momma Luv My Butterflies Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Big Easy Posts: 2,083	Tisk Tisk, another breeder breeding dogs only to make a profit.

07-22-2006, 05:03 AM	#8
TeddyandTiffy Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seymour, Indiana Posts: 1,384	I kinda thought she was just selling for money and that bothers me...I would like not to see those people here in our state..I was thinking about our talk this morning and I remember her sayin' that if U say Teacup they sell so fast...That made me mad and she also said people don't care about the AKC or CKC...So to me if she is sellin' these babies @ 6 weeks old sure they are tiny and sure they look like a toy puppy...But once they get older they are most likely gonna be around Teddys size I'd say and that would be bad for the people who buy them thinking they are getting a 3 or 4 pounder when really they are gonna be in my Teddys size. I feel for them. I would rather have bigger healther babies then not. As far as dog food can U all give me some ideas on better dog foods for about the same price as we're paying for the Science Diet?? Our's seems to be doing great on this kind. Any thoughts? Hugs and many thanks on U're thoughts.

07-22-2006, 10:00 AM	#10
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	Sounds like this person has not done any research to produce quality Yorkies or any breed for that matter. I know you're just looking at the "competition", but that would be a good example of how not to answer questions. I know you have more knowledge than she does and would answer the questions more appropriately. As a breeder you should have the knowledge to educate your buyers on the standards and health concerns.

07-22-2006, 11:01 AM	#11
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Yes, run in the other direction as far as you can go. First of all - there is no such thing as teacups in our standard. And secondly - the standard calls for the weight not to exceed 7 pounds. We are not poodles and do not have different standards of sizes. She apparently is not an informed breeder and does not know what she is doing. Sorry. This is so sad. How hard is it to research about the breed before bring new pups into this world? T.

07-22-2006, 11:08 AM	#12
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Because of this - breeders not researching and learning about the standard before breeding - I have seen/heard the quality go down over the years. When I first was into yorkies - 80's and 90's you very rarely saw/heard of blue or chocolate (sorry don't mean to offend anyone) pups, or laxtating petellas, or liver shunts. Infact back then you didn't hear of hardly any yorkies having these problems. If this type of breeding continues - where people do not educate themselves - where will the quality end up? This is why I research and learn all I can before producing a litter. Ultimately I am responsible for their gene pool and what they carry on.

07-22-2006, 11:30 AM	#14
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I had never seen or heard of a chocolate, liver, or blue puppy back in the 80's and 90's when I showed. Not until now, when I started back and started to research and learned what was happening to others. I know some people love the other colors - not standard. But IMO I prefer staying within the standard. Here is a link form TYCA on this issue: http://ytca.org/frame_index2.html Go to frequently asked questions.

07-22-2006, 11:34 AM	#15
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	This is a quote from YTCA site (frequently asked questions). "The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver (also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases long-term illness and/or death. A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits. On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly. That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never promote these deviations as being desirable or rare. " They also have information regarding "teacups."