Parti-colored Yorkies

[Babbie]

YorkieRose: What part of florida r u from? It is soooo cool that u're getting a biewer.

I found this on a website (http://www.qualitydogs.com/Biewer/information.html) and wanted to post here..

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Biewer Information

The Biewer was fully developed in Germany, and is the breed's country of Origin. The Biewer carries a recessive white gene for it's coat coloring. The first Biewer Puppy was produced in the breeding of Darling von Friedheck VDH/KFT 13000, and Fru-Fru von Friedheck VDH/KFT 13107. The Biewer gets it's name from the man who developed the breed in Germany. The Biewer must NEVER to be confused with the American Yorkshire Terrier. The Biewer and the American Yorkie MUST NEVER be bred to each other. They are two separate breeds.

The first club formed in the United States is known as The American Biewer Club (ABC) and is often referred to as the Biewer Club of America. The club abides by the orginal Biewer Breed Standard set forth in Germany under the UCI with the reference number of 00/490. They are partners with the original German Biewer Club. You can view their web site at: http://www.biewercoa.org.

The first Biewer Shown in the USA was in June of 2003. In November of that same year a Biewer Received the first Best In Show award in the United States. Since those historic shows numerous Biewers are being shown at sanctioned IABCA shows here in the United States. The IABCA was the first organization to allow the Biewer to be shown, and was the same organization that became a part of the historic BEST IN SHOW WIN, and the exhibition of the first Biewer shown. Now Rarities is allowing the Biewer To exhibit at their events too. The American Biewer Club will seek additional venues to show the Biewer.

[dezertblu]

I been reading about these, as I am not a breeder, or even planning to ever show my pooches, it wouldn't bother me to own one personally as i think they are adorable, but here is one experts oppinion on the matter:
http://members.aol.com/CYorkie/BiewerTriColor.html

[xDaisy's_Mummyx]

oh my gosh how cute!!!! Think i might need to go on a trip to germany lol!

[MAKCAI]

Originally Posted by Chelsie1978

Bieweres are beautiful dogs! They are exactly like yorkies but have the white instead of the tan.If they actually existed here,Id be the first to get one Look at the baby biewer on this site: http://www.puppysites.com/breeder_biewer.html

OMG how cute are they....i want one

[SnowWa]

I don't think the parti-colored Yorkies (from two standard Yorkies) are the same as the Biewer.

My understanding is that the Biewers are beautiful little guys who are bred (one to the other) to maintain their beautiful coloring and other characteristics. - they are almost like a little Yorkie breed unto themselves ---very beautiful.

And the parti-colored is a pup found occasionally found in the litter of two standard Yorkies (as we know them).....and are not considered a "Biewer" at all. These little pups can't be shown and shouldn't be bred - as they do not conform to the Yorkie standard. This coloring is considered "undesirable" and these little pups shouldn't be advertised as rare or exceptional - and should not be priced higher than other Yorkies.

Some of you experts can bring more light to this issue.

Carol Jean

[JeanieK]

A biewer and a parti color come from the same piebald gene. The Biewer line is from Germany and not registereed in the states. The parti coloreds are the American version. They were Accepted by the AKC three years ago after extensive DNA testing. They are not allowed in shows yet, because there are not enough of them, but they are AKC registered.

The piebald gene is a recessive gene and it has to be on both sides in order for it to show up. That is why it shows up so often in champion lines, because they do a lot of in-breeding.

Whispers mom has one and she also has Biewers.

My new little guy Chachi is a carrier, and I have my name on the list for a colored female.

There has been a lot of controversy on here about the tri colored yorkies, some claim they are not yorkies. but if the mama is a yorkie and the daddy is a yorkie, then the baby has to be a yorkie. It is just a horse of a different color. (or yorkie)

[JeanieK]

[QUOTE= This coloring is considered "undesirable" and these little pups shouldn't be advertised as rare or exceptional - and should not be priced higher than other Yorkies.

Some of you experts can bring more light to this issue.

Carol Jean[/QUOTE]

They are a product of a mother and a father traditional colored yorkies that both carry the piebald gene and both pass it on to a puppy.

It may be considered undesireable byt the YTCA, but people are paying $6000 for them, so it can't be too undesireable. They are accepted by the AKC and when there are enough lines of them, they will be allowed to be shown. Not sure if they will compete against the traditional colored yorkies or if they will be in a catagory of their own.

[Wrenee4]

We have a little Biewer female from Germany! She is adorable! It is true that they are sort of like piebald Yorkie here in the states BUT the Biewers have standards that must be met. They have been bred so that they must look a certain way. There is a huge debate on if a Biewer and a Yorkie should be bred together. There are a few clubs out there that you can look into to even get more information and to find out these standards. There are also shows that the dogs may be entered in here in the US. The following are some links you can check out if your interested!

http://www.biewertalk.com/forums/index.php
http://www.biewercoa.org/
http://www.geocities.com/bieweryorkieassociation/
http://www.bytca.org/

BTW I in no way endorse any of the above links...it's only for information!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Wrenee4

We have a little Biewer female from Germany! She is adorable! It is true that they are sort of like piebald Yorkie here in the states BUT the Biewers have standards that must be met. They have been bred so that they must look a certain way. There is a huge debate on if a Biewer and a Yorkie should be bred together. There are a few clubs out there that you can look into to even get more information and to find out these standards. There are also shows that the dogs may be entered in here in the US. The following are some links you can check out if your interested!

http://www.biewertalk.com/forums/index.php
http://www.biewercoa.org/
http://www.geocities.com/bieweryorkieassociation/
http://www.bytca.org/

BTW I in no way endorse any of the above links...it's only for information!

I would guess that the only reason that standards have not yet been set for the parti coloreds is because they are not yet allowed in the show ring. Once they start to show them, I would guess they will have to set standards by which they will be judged.

[dezertblu]

I have looked everywhere in the AKC information and pages, and still see them saying this pari color is non acceptable, does anyone have any literature ,besides what a breeder says, that backs up this claim?? I am not doubting it, just wondering where it is that the AKC actually says they will accept this parti color, from all I have found from scientists ect, the Yorkshire Terrier has NO piebald:

"Genetically the Yorkshire Terrier does NOT carry the piebald gene, which is what is needed for the large amounts of white coloring on any breed. The only way that gene could come into existance is for breedings to have occurred somewhere along the line with Maltese or Shih Tzu. "
The important issue we want to look at here is the SS which includes a description ot the Spotting gene. The information below is taken from Malcolm Willis' "Genetics of the Dog" The genetic makeup for the Yorkshire Terrier is:

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SnowWa "I don't think the parti-colored Yorkies (from two standard Yorkies) are the same as the Biewer. "
"It also is noted by some on websites of these breeders of parti's that you can NOT get parti's from 2 regular Yorkshire Terriers. Well then how did they get them in the 1st place? Susposedly they got them from 2 Yorkies. Yet this proves a contradiction itself. They acknowledge all parti's go back to a certain English dog. The one show exhibitor in the US that also was getting parti/tri's had breeding from the same kennel in England.

At this point I think the most important issue to look at is the fact that the Yorkshire Terrier only carries the SS gene, not the piebald gene which is needed for the white coloring. "

Cher Hildebrand
Goldenray Yorkies



From My personal understanding and various research into it, the Biewer IS a TOTALLY DIFFERENT dog to the Parti color Yorkie, the Biewer is a German breed unto itself, probably a close relative to the Yorkie, but deffinately NOT a Yorkie, where on the other hand the Parti Color Yorkie, is deffinately a type of Yorkie with different markings, though many a breeder site has claimed AKC and acceptance among the breeding yorkie world, I personally find no data to support any claims, I have yet to find any DNA reports stating the Yorkie should have a piebald gene, and all science points to and has proven this parti color yorkie MUST have another breed in the original mix to have brought the piebald gene into the world of Yorkies.I am not against this new coloring , as I find it quite cute and think it suits the Yorkie to have other color choices, but my problem is......to claim this is a pure bred Yorkie, and to say there is nothing but Yorkie in thier genes, is ridiculous, as for centuries the Yorkie gene hasn't contained piebald, why suddenly would it appear unless a breeder, somewhere has taken and added a dog with piebald genes into the mix.Sure maybe now the gene is so well mixed in they CAN breed the Parti Yorkie mom with a true Yorkie dad and get the results or two parti's and get the result, but no one in any of my research has ever seen a parti pup come from a true line of standard yorkie parents.We just need to be careful that when creating one thing we don't destroy ages of preservation.The Yorkie breed has been maintained for a very long time, and even today with our even smaller tea cups and our pure blondes, we are changing what was meant to be preserving the breed.The Original breeds the Yorkie came from , some of them are extinct, imagine that...there are breeds of terrier extinct , breeds that existed not all that long ago, we as humans messing with the mix are in danger of doing the same, not only with our beloved Yorkies but MANY types, did you know there is an endangered breeds list for dogs...and we may lose more breeds that have for so long been protected by careful breeding programs? Anyways, didn't mean to rant on, like I said they are very cute and I wouldn't mind one myself.......but what cost will "fashion" have on the fate of the original Yorkie?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dezertblu

I have looked everywhere in the AKC information and pages, and still see them saying this pari color is non acceptable, does anyone have any literature ,besides what a breeder says, that backs up this claim?? I am not doubting it, just wondering where it is that the AKC actually says they will accept this parti color, from all I have found from scientists ect, the Yorkshire Terrier has NO piebald:

Since this is so long I'm going to reply to it in different posts.


The Daddy to my Chachi is a parti colored, and I know he is AKC registered, because I have registerd Chachi.

I'm attaching his picture.

[Francie]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Go to...www.biewer-yorkis.de/
I put a deposit on one..lets see how it goes. I am used to taking chances in dog deals..some people never learn! LOL

I think Biewer colors are so pretty....


Francie

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dezertblu

"Genetically the Yorkshire Terrier does NOT carry the piebald gene, which is what is needed for the large amounts of white coloring on any breed. The only way that gene could come into existance is for breedings to have occurred somewhere along the line with Maltese or Shih Tzu. "
The important issue we want to look at here is the SS which includes a description ot the Spotting gene. The information below is taken from Malcolm Willis' "Genetics of the Dog" The genetic makeup for the Yorkshire Terrier is:

asasBBCCDDEEGGmmSStt


I will have to read that book. Before the AKC would register these dogs, they did extensive DNA testing, and they were satisfied that the were full blooded Yorkshire Terrier. So I have no idea why that writer would write that, or if he even knows what he is talking about.

It is rumored that a Maltese was part of the make up way back when the breed was first established, That rumor has been neither proven nor disproven. So I gues it is a possibility and if so then that could be where it came form. If that is the case then it was part of the original make up of the breed, and therefore it would be carried in some yorkies.

[Francie]

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There's exists an "Endangered Dog List" Really? Didn't know that...what breeds are on it?


Francie

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by dezertblu

SnowWa "I don't think the parti-colored Yorkies (from two standard Yorkies) are the same as the Biewer. "
"It also is noted by some on websites of these breeders of parti's that you can NOT get parti's from 2 regular Yorkshire Terriers. Well then how did they get them in the 1st place? Susposedly they got them from 2 Yorkies. Yet this proves a contradiction itself. They acknowledge all parti's go back to a certain English dog. The one show exhibitor in the US that also was getting parti/tri's had breeding from the same kennel in England.

At this point I think the most important issue to look at is the fact that the Yorkshire Terrier only carries the SS gene, not the piebald gene which is needed for the white coloring. "

Cher Hildebrand
Goldenray Yorkies

The Beiwer and the parti coloreds came from the same fluke. Through the years, there have no doubt been many tri colored yorkies born, but because they were not accepted, this was considered a defect and they were either given away as pets and not registered, or worse yet destroyed as a freak of nature. It has just been recently that people have started raising them and breeding them.

The Biewer line was started by a person with the last name of Biewer. I have not done any research on them so I have no idea how long that breed has been around. But I know that the two Kennels in California, Crown Ridge and Summit, were both instrumental in getting the parti coloreds accepted by the AKC. I believe the original CH Rolls Royce Ashley was the sire to the first one. He was bred back to his own daughter, to whom he had passed on the piebald gene, and they produced a tri colored puppy.