I need to vent for a second about our breed...

[yorkieK9trainer]

If at that time (before the puppy leaves the breeders home) any puppy is CLEARLY not going to fit the standard of the parent club the breeder is registering with, then YES, I think it is a very fair and ethical way to deal w/ things. Especially since many of the buyers of Yorkies simply want a happy/healthy pet! The honest truth though, is that a lot of these people go in wanting a pet, but after falling in love w/ it and getting tons of complements (by people who don't really know the breed anyway) they want to then breed their Yorkie and that's simply not right. I can understand if they wanted to do so and went back to the breeder and said, hey look...and presented their questions...that's one thing. But many are just going off and doing it and think that all they need is another registered dog and *poof* you have healthy "Champion lineage" puppies and charge an insane amount of money for sh*$ Yorkies.
It's insane and all cycles can be broken. Where do we begin?? *raises hand* I'll go first happily!

[Nikko's_human]

Originally Posted by SnowWa

We will always see Yorkies of many different sizes and colors. I don't think this is a "real problem". In fact, I find it rather amazing and quite interesting. And - even with so many different little Yorkies, we still have to meet the standards if we want to show our dogs. And, meeting these standards well is what makes the most genuine prototype of any breed...the true show dog.

That being said --- there isn't a reason in the world why anyone's dog has to adhere to any standards to be bred. Breeding always has been and always will be a personal choice. Purebreds and mixed breeds have been bred - one to the other and one with one another for centuries, and the end result has been a wide variety of many beautiful, wonderful pets.

If I had wanted to breed my (now neutered) Yorkie with another Yorkie ----
I could have. And, for heaven's sake, I wouldn't have needed any one's permission to do it. My little dog is a very handsome good-looking Yorkie - albeit, he is 1 1/2 pounds above the standard weight. His mother was big like he is, but his father was only 4 1/2 pounds. My Yorkie may well have fathered a litter of 5 or 6 pound Yorkies.

I'll leave "not registering" these little "off-standard Yorkies" to you "purists."
I tend to agree with you - but, I'm not really sure that this is your or my decision to make. Putting show-dog standards aside, I have always found the little Yorkie (with it's coat of many colors) and it's many sizes to be one of the most interesting, delightful little breeds we have to choose from. It's as though "There is the right little Yorkie for every family," and we can't say this about any other breed.

Carol Jean

PS: Yes, I do believe that "off-standard breeding" is what is most responsible for the wide variety of little Yorkies we see. But, I'm willing to bet all these little guys are going to be around for a while.

My sentiments exactly!!

[Olivier]

Good luck with the education of peoples . Several peoples are most interested to buy at cheaper prices and sell at higher prices . As soon as they have a female , they go and buy a male , not really looking at what they really have .

My neighbor offered me her Yorkie for one of my girls . I answered " Never " , she was offended because I refused . She explain that her male came from a reputable breeder that have 20 other breeds , etc , etc .

[Tashasmom]

I agree with yorkie trainer. I have looked at so many yorkie sites and there are so many that don't even look like yorkies. YOu look at the breeds that aren't as popular and they all look like what they are..But look at yorkies. I've never seen a single breed like this breed that varies so much in look and size. Its ridiculous. YOu buy a lab and you know exactly what it will grow up to look like..Buy a yorkie and alot times it grows up looking totally dif from your friends yorkie. And the size really bothers me when I see people breeding females that are so small to males that are even smaller. They don't even look like yorkies. Alot of them have bulging eyes and i don't know. It's just not right. And what happened to 7 pounds being small. These days thats considered big..who started that one..thats just silly. I"m not one for showing but i have to say ..look at their dogs then go check out all the websites and you'll find very few that have dogs that look like the standard. I'm not saying show your dog but I do think we all need to strive for what they are striviing for. A good quality healthy yorkie that looks like a yorkie. NOt these dogs that are being sold that half the time look more mixed breed than my mixed breed dog looks..

[Baron]

Let me respond by saying all your preaching is useless because the ones that are producing the outside of the standard yorkies are either puppymillers or backyard breeders and they just don't give a da--. Almost all decent breeders do adhere to the standard, which by the way is not 4 to 7 pounds, but rather no larger than 7 pounds, there is no minimum listed in the standard. Good breeders do the research before breeding.

[sashajade]

yorkies were a lot bigger than they are today and maybe in some peoples opinions were really the way yorkies should of stayed and the larger yorkies are more of a true yorkie than the breed standard of today. yorkies were bred down in size cos thats what people wanted and never thought about the health of the now tiny yorkie, breed two runts together and get smaller yorkies people pay more thats all some breeders cared about not about any health problems they would have. if you want to show a yorkie then a breed standard needs to be set of course but why not 3 breed standards one for the tiny yorkies one for the middle of the road yorkies and one for the larger yorkies? i think its only yorkies that come in so many different sizes so why should only the so called breed standard ones be allowed to be showed and the others be seen and classed as not good yorkies? who gave these people the right to say this size is a good yorkie and this one isnt? maybe the breed standard is wrong and should be changed? maybe the breed standard needs to go up in size so the lowest weight should be around 5 pound,ie the size of the original yorkie the true yorkie the one with not so many health problems?

[yorkiemom1970]

My question is not to the breeders, the bad lines, the bad breedings, the types, but to THE AKC THEMSELVES...Why do they continue to allow so many different "types" that DO NOT fit the standard to be registered with their "club"? If they truly stood behind their standards, shouldn't there be stricter rules for getting into their "club"?

They are not much different really than all of the above. They obviously love their money very much.

I do however agree with you yorkiek9trainer on MANY points of your original post.

[Baron]

Back in the early days of showing yorkies they had 2 classes. Dogs over 5 pounds, and those under. Now we have a max. of 7 pounds but no minimum, although you will not see very tinies in the ring because people that show know that no judge is going to pick a tiny to win, especially a tiny female. Too dangerous to breed her, and when you show in conformation you are usually showing to prove you have good dogs to eventually breed.

[Tashasmom]

I agree I think the bigger yorkies are healthier and prettier in my opinion.
I think you will find all good breeders say that no female should be bred that is under 5 pounds whether there was minimum set or not it's overall better for a breeding female to be at least 5 pounds. Commen sense will tell you that. That to me is not a matter of personal preference..it's a matter of doing whats best for the mom and a caring breeder doesn't take risk such as breeding a 3 or 4 pound yorkie.

[Baron]

The AKC is not a club, but a registery. They do not set the standards. The breed clubs do that. The AKC only goes by what is on the registeration, they do not see the dogs to know if they look as they should. It is much harder to get into the YTCA than it is to register a Yorkie with the AKC.

[yorkiemom1970]

The American Kennel CLUB

[Baron]

Yes, the name is American Kennel Club, but it is still a registery. You do not join it, you register your dogs with them so that you can show in the exhibitions they hold. You are not a member of the AKC, you have an AKC registered dog. You can join a breed club, or a local kennel club, these are not registeries.

[Baron]

It was called the American Kennel Club because when it orginated it was made up of 12 men that were all members of other kennel clubs, and they consideded this group the club of clubs, or the American Kennel Club. The developed to register dogs, keep records of studs, hold dog events and promote the purebred dogs. They set the standards for the dog shows and events held by them.

[sashajade]

ive just put post up about breed standard

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by sashajade

ive just put post up about breed standard

Great. I'll check out your post. I am definitely not in the mood to debate what the AKC is or isn't...the club I've registered with for over 11 yrs now.