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[Bizzymammabee]

Man that is a seriously messed up situation. The guy is a real piece of trash. What is behind his sudden rush to get her back? I can't imagine how someone could be that insensitive.

What proof does he have that she is his. I would tell him to take you to court. I work for a large law firm. Can you pm me the background on this stuff and I will ask one of the atty's here their take on how you can proceed.

Keep your head up. Puppy hugst to you , china and her little ones. I wish I could afford to buy the little one that you were supposed to have. I would love another one but can't spare the expense right now of a large purchase.

Hugs.

[dskeeter1983]

Originally Posted by Rem&Silkmom

tell him to get lost...don't let him take her back...he is heartless to not care for him dog when she needed him. Posession is 9/10th of the law. Do you think he even has any proof that she is his dog? Did you take the dog to the vet and pay? Got a receipt?

Eric has a lot of proof that she is his dog. I took china to the vet along with the puppies , and he said that scence china is dried up that the puppies can leave her now , I still dont know , HE said that the puppies where healthy and nothing was wrong , should I fallow my vet' sinstructions or what ????

[sneri13]

I would call your local humane society and explain the situation to them. They would not allow the pups to be taken away from the mother at such a young age. Since China belongs to the jerk I would rather have the humane society rescue China and her pups then have to deal with the jerk and his threats. Good Luck.

[elegntorchid]

Did they spay her when the c-section was done? I really hope that he can not breed her again....

[elegntorchid]

I really do not know if the shelter can do anything. I was watching a show (one of the animal police shows) and a guy had posted flyers to sell pit bull pups. the SPCA (i think that is right) told him he could not sell the pups until they were 6 weeks old and that they would be back to check. Many, many people of other breeds do let them go at 6 weeks, until i started dealing with yorkies i had never heard of anyone keeping them for 12 weeks, so i don't know how much help they would be unless he had no intention of doing anything for her when she needed the c-section. was he just going to let her die trying to have them if you had not stepped in? Again you had an agreement with him for her to stay with you until the pups were ready to go, did you give a specific time period when you made that agreement? what ever he agreed to when he let her go with you has a lot to do with what he can or can not do now. do you have anything in writing?????

[Kizzys Mom]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

Well, that's just the case...if people are putting ads in the paper, the puppies are probably coming from brokers who get them from puppy mills, and not directly from the breeder. I am NOT a breeder, but BELIEVE me when I tell you this: Any reputable breeder would rather die than let their babies go at 6 weeks. Someone who lets them go that young is out for the money, and not the wellbeing of the pup. Sorry, I am NOT trying to be mean to you or anything like that. I'm just telling you the God's honest truth about the many breeders I have "met" through YT.

well, maybe I got lucky. This lady had the puppies in her house as well as the mom and dad. I know the two puppies were hers because when she let them out, the mom ran straight her two babies and started licking them. She only had two yorkies and one maltese with its parents. I saw them all. She has a place with a big cradle in her den where the puppies were kept and everything there was clean as were the puppies , the house and the bigger dogs. I know lots of people who have yorkies they got at 6 weeks old. My brother and his wife have one and she is now 10 years old. Shes never had health problems, she is beautiful. Matter of fact I havent seen one here or any place else prettier than theirs . Seems the older she gets the prettier she gets. She got hers from a friend for about 1/2 price of what she sold the others for. So maybe some people get lucky. I'd never heard of anyone not letting their puppies go by time they are 6 weeks and up till I came to this site. I still don't think this lady ran a puppy mill. I've been there and done that but only once. Thats when I learned what a puppy mill was. I learned that with her. I guarantee she was running a puppy mill. Anyway, I've just never heard of lots of stuff I read on here, which is a good thing for me to read these post and learn more, but I don't believe everything I read as well as I dont always believe what people tell me about everything. I looked at more yorkies at more than one when I purchased my puppy. I am not usually scammed easily by people.
I do believe lots I read here but also some I read seems a little extreme. But, I'm happy with my yorkie and thats all that matters anyway to me for now. I dont mean this in a rude way but you know everyone has to please themselves. I was just surprised to read that people think 6 weeks is too young to let go. That was why I posted my reply to see if everyone thinks that, or if its a rare thing or what. thanks for your reply tho. :-)

[SnowWa]

I believe all puppies (all breeds) should be with their mothers and litter mates for at least the first 8 weeks of their lives (or more). This is really only a "common sense" health and development issue. It helps them to get off to a much better start.

I know many pups leave their mothers younger than 8 weeks for any number of reasons and do well. But, I can't believe that an especially small little puppy that isn't eating well on its own yet is ready to be taken from its mother. And, Yorkies (and other little dogs) especially often fall into this category.

A puppy's sense of security, its sense of trust, its behavior, and it's socialization skills are also developed during these early weeks with its mother and litter mates. This time is probably one of the most important developmental periods it experiences during its life.

I know for sure that most of us (99.9%) endorse these little puppies being with their mothers a minimum of 8 weeks - and feel that 10 or 12 weeks is even better.

And, as I sit here thinking about this -- I feel it has to be better for the little mothers also. They deserve to have and care for their little pups a normal period of time. And, I'm sure that their being able to wean these little guys helps bring closure to their losing them later on.

Carol Jean

[yorkieK9trainer]

PLEASE DO NOT RELEASE THIS MOTHER AND HER PUPS TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNER...
Not just yet, anyway. Sorry, but if your vet literally said what you say he/she did, then he/she's an IDIOT. Just because the bitch's milk supply has depleated or she dried up (they should begin weaning now anyway) doesn't mean that the puppies can leave her. They should be w/ her for socialization as well as comfort and care. If he "dumped" this girl on you, then you have enough invested in the care of this dog and her pups that you are owed some say in the situation. As far as legality goes, I don't know your state, but if a dog is in your care for more than 72 hours it is considered YOURS. Regardless of any verbal contracts. Just because documents lead back to him as being the last owner, does not mean that he gets her back. There are a handful of ways you could go w/ this, but I hope HOPE hope that you can manage to keep these pups for a minimum of another two weeks. Any sort of financial compensation for the feeding of these dogs? If not, and you've invested time and money into this litter, and you've had her and the pups since the whelping...check, but I'm sure she's now considered yours! You've had her and the pups for weeks now! With no written contract.
In either case, it would not be wise to give him back this bitch unaltered or otherwise and w/ these puppies especially. From your post, he's displayed no care/concern or responsibility to the reality of this situation.

[elegntorchid]

I dont know yorkiek9, I've not heard of a 72 hour law (not saying it does not exist). In that case if you left your pet with anyone to care for (vacation or what not) would that entitle them to keep your pet?
I don't think he should get her either, but she may not have choice and him having all of the paper work stating that she belongs to him would make a difference otherwise. Having something in writing would simply prevent him from being able to call the authorities on her and them forcing her to give up the dog.
I really think I would take the chance of taking her to another vet while I had her and spaying her and let him just be mad. You have paid to save her life and to breed her again would put her in that same position , if you call and give the situation to the local shelter see what they say and if they would do it, (you could always say she got out and got picked up and they would not release her without her being spayed) I know that is dishonest, but it may save her life. I would have a hard time giving her back to him though.

[yorkieK9trainer]

"I dont know yorkiek9, I've not heard of a 72 hour law (not saying it does not exist). In that case if you left your pet with anyone to care for (vacation or what not) would that entitle them to keep your pet?"
-NO, because when you board your dog you are under contract. When someone "dumps" there dog on you most states consider that dog a stray at that point. Even though there may be a verbal contract, I'm quite sure the authorities would side in favor of this woman. Further, IF she were to take the dog to get spayed, that is something that cannot be reversed and she'd have to be quite tricky at the vets in what she says to get her spayed. I agree that it needs to be done! However, she should really play innocent and say that the dog was relinquished to her during her pregnancy and hopefully the vet will not attempt to contact the previous owner to verify her claim. If so, he'll know what she's up to and can cause her more grief. If she thinks her vet wouldn't do such a thing or this woman is willing to lie and say that she found the dog, turns out it was pregnant and she's had the dog for " " long and has posted fliers (blah, blah, blah) then that is a more likely story and no questions will be asked.
Assuming she's not microchipped of course!

[elegntorchid]

I would hope that even if she did have a chip that a vet "assuming she was found as a stray" would go ahead and spay anyway due to that fact that the person who "found" had to take her in for a c-section. but you never really know what another person will do. i just hope that she can get her spayed and ideally not have her return to this man at all.

[yorkieK9trainer]

"I would hope that even if she did have a chip that a vet "assuming she was found as a stray" would go ahead and spay anyway due to that fact that the person who "found" had to take her in for a c-section. but you never really know what another person will do. i just hope that she can get her spayed and ideally not have her return to this man at all."

I would agree w/ you, however the vet must cover his own rear end and assume that each and every new client that comes through his door is not telling the truth. He should assess what he can off of his examination first, then listen to the client. You see, what happened if she took this dog to a vet (not the same one that would've done the c-section) and this vet spayed this unchipped/chipped dog w/o contacting the "rightful owners" (the info of the chip if there is one), the vet potentially could have a ethical breeder or owner coming after them legally. There are number of ways this vet could get in trouble...I can see it now where an ethical breeder/handler comes into this vet's office and screams: "You spayed my bitch, she can no longer compete in AKC conformation! She got loose for christ's sake-it happens! I posted fliers, scoured the neighborhood and it seems that the woman that brought this dog into your office lied and simply kept my bitch hidden from me!....." And so it goes. Before jumping in on a spay for a new patient and new client, the vet (imo) really should be cautious. I'd HATE it if this happened, where my bitch who just had puppies maybe got loose and I couldn't find her and when I finally did, discover that she has been taken in for a spay from someone off the street wanting to keep her as a pet. Now, this wouldn't happen because I'm not a breeder of any sort, but you must wonder about all the what if's.

[elegntorchid]

oh, i completely understand and i agree with you. if one of mine got out i would want them to be scanned also. after all that is the purpose of a microchip. it is just sad that in this case something could not be done. in the end this dog will suffer greatly, and if he breeds her again it could be tragic. of course breeding at anytime could end in a tragic situation, but in her case it could be avoided knowing she has already had difficulty.
your just kinda torn between knowing that any vet scanning and contacting a owner (the correct thing to do) and saving the life of this dog in this particular situation. I do not like to see or know that an animal is suffering.

[yorkieK9trainer]

Absolutely.
And I find often that it's what's not said that gets people coming through this forum and getting "them" in trouble. If we state both sides and our personal opinions those that don't frequent this forum will gain more useful knowledge and not just hearsay/negativity and bad mouthing. Ya know?
I too would PRAY that if one of my dogs ever got loose that the wonderful person that found him/her would do the right thing and have my dog scanned-which is why they're chipped! If not, it's my own dumb fault.

[elegntorchid]