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Tashasmom · 03-16-2006, 11:50 AM

I have my vet do all the docking but yes there are breeders that still to this day dock tails that way.
I worked in a farrowing barn (it's where the pregnant sows stay to birth their babies..they stay there til the babies are weaned) anyway I couldn't tell you how many pigs tails I've got off..I've castrated..i've even had to swing baby pigs..But for the life of me there is no way I can bring myself to dock a puppies tail..lol..makes no sense probably. But I just can't do it.

k3teejay · 03-16-2006, 11:51 AM

okay, i just spoked to my friend and he says that tying a string tightly around their tail causes it to lose circulation and to just "fall off" without it bleeding. he has a yorkie too and that's what he did to his. i dont know though, it still sounds inhumane to me.

btw, here is a pic of my friend's yorkie, poppy, isnt he cute?

BamaFan121s · 03-16-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikko's_human

Well I still think it is cruel. People make themselves feel better by believing that the dogs don't feel pain. I am sure they do.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am sure the pups don't just absolutely enjoy having it done either, but at least there are "proper" ways of doing it so that the discomfort is minimal. Our vet was much obliged to rub on some numbing medicine before hand. Our pups didn't so much as flinch when they had it done and only slightly objected to having their dew claws removed. I guess no one will ever know what exactly it feels like to the pup...unless they believe they have been reincarnated.

BamaFan121s · 03-16-2006, 11:54 AM

[QUOTE=k3teejay]okay, i just spoked to my friend and he says that tying a string tightly around their tail causes it to lose circulation and to just "fall off" without it bleeding. he has a yorkie too and that's what he did to his. i dont know though, it still sounds inhumane to me.[QUOTE]

Oh I'm not saying it won't happen. Any time you restrict circulation to an area it will. Can you imagine having a finger or toe removed that way? Can you imagine the opportunity for infection? I think THIS way is quite inhumane when there are better ways of doing it.

SnowWa · 03-16-2006, 11:54 AM

There is little discomfort when a puppy's tail is quickly removed.

Tying a string around the tail - cuts off the blood supply causing the tail to eventually die - and then eventually "fall off" (we hope!). I would think that this might take some time - and cause a great deal of discomfort, numbness, tingling, possible infection, and possibly many other problems. Certainly wouldn't be my method of choice.

Otherwise, everyone's right - A lot of Yorkies as well as many other breeds have their tails docked shortly after birth. This was done in the past (decades ago) when these dogs were "working dogs." Removing the tails helped them doing their work more efficiently and helped keep them from injurying their tails. It was done for a good reason and for the welfare of the dog at that time.

Today, these same breeds are pets and not "workers." For this reason, docking is no longer necessary and is done today only for appearances. Because it's no longer necessary, the practice is often no longer done, and as some of you mentioned, it isn't even allowed in some countries. This is a good and humane change.

Carol Jean

Nikko's_human · 03-16-2006, 11:55 AM

Ok so I am obviously alone here but I feel it is ridiculous to subject these animals to this (however little pain people claim they feel) for mere cosmetic reasons and because some panel sat down and decided this was going to be the "standard" for the breed. I am not trying to be argumentative and do not wish to incite anyone (we have had enough of that lately). i am just merely expressing my opinion (albiet a rather unpopular opinion, but one I stand behind

).

Tashasmom · 03-16-2006, 11:58 AM

If I had a tail i'd want someone to cut it off..

BamaFan121s · 03-16-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikko's_human

Ok so I am obviously alone here but I feel it is ridiculous to subject these animals to this (however little pain people claim they feel) for mere cosmetic reasons and because some panel sat down and decided this was going to be the "standard" for the breed. I am not trying to be argumentative and do not wish to incite anyone (we have had enough of that lately). i am just merely expressing my opinion (albiet a rather unpopular opinion, but one I stand behind

).

No, you are not alone if feeling this way...many do. This has in the past resulted in many an argument and locked thread only to no changed result. It's just a matter of personal choice.

BamaFan121s · 03-16-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tashasmom

If I had a tail i'd want someone to cut it off..

That would be quite a sight to see...

Tashasmom · 03-16-2006, 12:03 PM

lol..i'm sorry I am feeling silly today..hope you all didn't mind..

Nikko's_human · 03-16-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

No, you are not alone if feeling this way...many do. This has in the past resulted in many an argument and locked thread only to no changed result. It's just a matter of personal choice.

I absolutely agree. I must admit I was rather fearful of posting my views because of how some people have been torn apart on here for not agreeing with the majority. It is always nice to exchange points of view with civilized individuals. So for that, thank you for not chewing me up and putting me at ease.

Now if we can get everyone on YT to follow this example...

whispersmom2 · 03-16-2006, 12:09 PM

I dock the tails on my puppies and my mentor taught me the proper way (in my opinion) to do it as painlessly as can be done. They carry on more when I turn them on their backs and will not let them turn back over til I am finished. I do like the tails docked much longer than many people so I just do it my way. I do have a pet female who was too tiny at 4 days IMO to have her tail done. the vet agreed so her tail is undocked. If she is just standing around and not on the alert, her tail will droop from the middle to the tip.
Of course, Biewers are not docked. My Biewtis (Biewer/parti cross) have undocked tails also. I plan to breed partis and their tails will probably not be docked-not sure yet.
The two standard puppies I have for sale now are docked. I have this weird big BIRO who is not docked but he came from Germany..Now that is one fun-loving boy...choc, white and tan..

BamaFan121s · 03-16-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikko's_human

I absolutely agree. I must admit I was rather fearful of posting my views because of how some people have been torn apart on here for not agreeing with the majority. It is always nice to exchange points of view with civilized individuals. So for that, thank you for not chewing me up and putting me at ease.

Now if we can get everyone on YT to follow this example...

I think it has only been a problem in the past because some would just not take no for an answer so to say. Not everyone agrees on everything all of the time. That's called "life." Thank you for not condemning me and others with differing opinions!

BamaFan121s · 03-16-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

My Biewtis (Biewer/parti cross) have undocked tails also.

I LOVE that name!

kisszoe · 03-16-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikko's_human

Don't feel so bad. I thought all yorkies had naturally short tails too until I came on here. After I found out that they were docked as babies I was appalled at the inhumane practice, but what can I do? If I had had a choice I would have left my furbaby the way nature intended. I hear other countries are banning the practice. Hopefully America will wake up and follow suit.

AMEN!! My Biewer still has her lovely tail and it is not in the way at all. I love the look of a natural tail...so cute!!

03-16-2006, 11:50 AM	#16
Tashasmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 950	I have my vet do all the docking but yes there are breeders that still to this day dock tails that way. I worked in a farrowing barn (it's where the pregnant sows stay to birth their babies..they stay there til the babies are weaned) anyway I couldn't tell you how many pigs tails I've got off..I've castrated..i've even had to swing baby pigs..But for the life of me there is no way I can bring myself to dock a puppies tail..lol..makes no sense probably. But I just can't do it. __________________ LOVE MEANS MORE THAN JUST HUGS & KISSES!!

03-16-2006, 11:51 AM	#17
k3teejay No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 147	okay, i just spoked to my friend and he says that tying a string tightly around their tail causes it to lose circulation and to just "fall off" without it bleeding. he has a yorkie too and that's what he did to his. i dont know though, it still sounds inhumane to me. btw, here is a pic of my friend's yorkie, poppy, isnt he cute? Attached Thumbnails

03-16-2006, 11:54 AM	#20
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	There is little discomfort when a puppy's tail is quickly removed. Tying a string around the tail - cuts off the blood supply causing the tail to eventually die - and then eventually "fall off" (we hope!). I would think that this might take some time - and cause a great deal of discomfort, numbness, tingling, possible infection, and possibly many other problems. Certainly wouldn't be my method of choice. Otherwise, everyone's right - A lot of Yorkies as well as many other breeds have their tails docked shortly after birth. This was done in the past (decades ago) when these dogs were "working dogs." Removing the tails helped them doing their work more efficiently and helped keep them from injurying their tails. It was done for a good reason and for the welfare of the dog at that time. Today, these same breeds are pets and not "workers." For this reason, docking is no longer necessary and is done today only for appearances. Because it's no longer necessary, the practice is often no longer done, and as some of you mentioned, it isn't even allowed in some countries. This is a good and humane change. Carol Jean __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words.

03-16-2006, 11:55 AM	#21
Nikko's_human Proudly owned by Nikko Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bronx, New York Posts: 768	Ok so I am obviously alone here but I feel it is ridiculous to subject these animals to this (however little pain people claim they feel) for mere cosmetic reasons and because some panel sat down and decided this was going to be the "standard" for the breed. I am not trying to be argumentative and do not wish to incite anyone (we have had enough of that lately). i am just merely expressing my opinion (albiet a rather unpopular opinion, but one I stand behind ). __________________ NIKKO and his mommy NECEE

03-16-2006, 11:58 AM	#22
Tashasmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 950	If I had a tail i'd want someone to cut it off.. __________________ LOVE MEANS MORE THAN JUST HUGS & KISSES!!

03-16-2006, 11:54 AM	#19
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	[QUOTE=k3teejay]okay, i just spoked to my friend and he says that tying a string tightly around their tail causes it to lose circulation and to just "fall off" without it bleeding. he has a yorkie too and that's what he did to his. i dont know though, it still sounds inhumane to me.[QUOTE] Oh I'm not saying it won't happen. Any time you restrict circulation to an area it will. Can you imagine having a finger or toe removed that way? Can you imagine the opportunity for infection? I think THIS way is quite inhumane when there are better ways of doing it.

03-16-2006, 12:03 PM	#25
Tashasmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 950	lol..i'm sorry I am feeling silly today..hope you all didn't mind.. __________________ LOVE MEANS MORE THAN JUST HUGS & KISSES!!

03-16-2006, 12:09 PM	#27
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I dock the tails on my puppies and my mentor taught me the proper way (in my opinion) to do it as painlessly as can be done. They carry on more when I turn them on their backs and will not let them turn back over til I am finished. I do like the tails docked much longer than many people so I just do it my way. I do have a pet female who was too tiny at 4 days IMO to have her tail done. the vet agreed so her tail is undocked. If she is just standing around and not on the alert, her tail will droop from the middle to the tip. Of course, Biewers are not docked. My Biewtis (Biewer/parti cross) have undocked tails also. I plan to breed partis and their tails will probably not be docked-not sure yet. The two standard puppies I have for sale now are docked. I have this weird big BIRO who is not docked but he came from Germany..Now that is one fun-loving boy...choc, white and tan..