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Well I just read That breeders should have quality show yorkies in order to breed well if that is the case then none of us unfortunate people would have a yorkie because they would be to exspensive to buy.

I for witch have a yorkie who is in the line of show quality but her mother was not.

I love my dogs and I will always love my dogs. But scence the people that I got Callie from couldnt get me papers for her because her dad was not registered as a breeder , then that does not make my yorkie any less of a yorkie exept in the fact that she has less opertunity , to become a show dog. You can not show a dog who is not akc registered and I dont undersatnd this whole thing about , Having to be show quality .

I know and understand that there is no such thing as a Tea cup yorkie it is just a phrase that people use and nothing more.

Does some on here want to tell me why a breeder should not breed outside of show quality . I am not trying to be rude here but come on think about it and let me know cause I cant seem to figure it out by myself.
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Just my opinion but I think people with show quality dogs breed them to get more show quality dogs. I don't think they breed dogs just to breed them but the hopes of getting a show puppy. If you have a great show dog the hopes are they will produce another. Unfortunately they don't always produce a show dog so they let the pups go to approved homes. I don't think they are bad people and they intentions are to better the breed. Not all people who show dogs charge crazy prices for thier pups expecially if they are not show dog material. I hope that makes sense.
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Well I understand where you are comming from but these people are saying that you shouldnt breed unless your dog is show quality.

yes I want to better the breed and I want to continue with this breed but it dont give anyone the right to judge me or anyone else who dont show a dog . I know all about showing I just preferr not to do it . :)

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I do not feel a dog must be show quality to be bred. I do feel it must be breed quality with a pedigree to back it up..or you will get pups who look less and less like a Yorkie as this line is reproduced..someone is under the misconception that pups of good quality cost the most...not so...I find pups from "income" breeders cost the most, and few are worth it. I know people selling quality champion sired pups for $1000..to me that is fair..pets shops charge far more...

We have had so many threads on YT about people asking if they have a purebred Yorkie..it must be because many breeders pay no attention to quality..you should not have to guess at the breed you just purchased.

Do what you feel is ethcial and benefical to the breed...and do not listen to anyone..I never did...

Oh...I got ya...I thought you were asking. So you are saying why can't YOU breed just because you don't show dogs? I guess also showing dogs proves that your stud is up to standards. Not sure what your breeding program consists of but I bought my first Yorkie from a wonderful lady. Here is the problem. I don't think she did any kind of genetic testing and for all I know (I was dumb at the time) Remmy might not even be a full blooded yorkie. I guess if you show then you have validation that your dogs meets the standards. But I am not one to judge. I for one know that it is alot of work and something I would not consider. I just enjoy having my two around. But I do stand by the fact that there are a lot of breeders out there that are not over priced.

I do not think the thread was started to offend anybody, so please do not take it that way.. But when someone gets involved with the showing side of breeding, usually they will only breed to better the breed and not just to have pet puppies to sell.. I believe that if you are a reputable breeder and you are responsible in showing your dogs you try to breed better everytime you breed.. That is not meant to take anything away from you or if you breed.. Hope that makes sense?

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i know that the thread wasnt ment for that. But they shouldnt judge other people I think if they want to judge maybe they should go to akc and ask to be a judge , instead of judging others.

I dont breed and that thread is a good example of why.

And yes I f I did breed i would want good quality dogs but , there is no way am I going to believe that in order to have good quality dogs you need to have show expeirence , I am some one who has show experience and I am saying that they do not have to be showen or have show expeirence to be good quality

I can't figure it out either, who decides if a dog is show quality? I went to an akc dog show and there was a famous dog handler there showing a toy poodle, at the time i was breesing toy poodles and had heard of this handler, I wasn't an expert by any means but the dog he brought into the ring was horrible!! but he won anyway!! that's why all my dogs except one is ckc and i bet anyone to try to and pick out which one is akc.

We have 173 recent posts about breeding trying to explain this.

www.ytca.org has a lot of information about this beautiful breed.

sorry that you are still confused, it's really not that difficult.

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yah know lady I dont know how much of a genuis you are. I what so ever am less fortunate then what you think you are ok.

She didn't ask for idiotic replies she asked for some answers to questions.

a word of caution with your language on yt. that response is unnecessary and uncalled for and if our moderators get upset you will find yourself in trouble.

my post was legitimate. asking the same thing over and over again will not change the answer. I advise you both to take a look at the link and learn about the standard of the breed. Good breeders try to achieve "the standard" with the best examples of the breed they have available.

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That was kind of rude, don't you think. :eek: Insulting someone's ability to grasp a concept about something they don't participate in? I think that, even though unintentional, some got the feeling that their dogs aren't "worthy" of being called Yorkies if they aren't in a show ring. If that is the impression she got, why wouldn't she be upset?

There is no reason to let this get out of hand. You do not have to show to be a breeder. It is not the law. You can even be on yorkie talk without being one of the top breeders or showers in the country. We can learn a lot from those people who know so much about yorkies and I think it is best if we learn from them and try to ignore their arrogance. Maybe they don't really mean to come across that way, it is just that they know so much they don't know when to quit. I mean this in the nicest way, I promise.

they both keep asking the same thing over and over again. we covered this in the two other threads. I think their intention is to cause uproar over show dogs.

I won't contribute to their success anymore.

I think maybe their feelings were just really hurt...I can see why.

In any case, you are right...stopping the situation will put an end to it. :thumbup: :) It's too close to bed time for this anyway...lol. ;)

The tone took a negative turn with your comment. :D

I really wish we could maintain an atmosphere of helpfulness on YT instead of turning flippant or insulting toward members when they ask a question that we may think has previously been discussed ad nauseam. For them, it may the first time they ever thought of the topic and didn't see the hundreds of threads & questions that came before it. They may not also realize they can conduct a search for answers to their questions in past threads. To them, it may seem more simple to start their own thread. If we don't want to read the topic yet again or feel like answering informatively, perhaps we should just not comment at all on their thread.

I haven't asked anything and I too am tired of this. I just didn't think you had a right to belittle her and if standing up for someones feelings gets me kicked off thats fine at least when i go to bed tonight I know that I stood up for someone that needed standing up for. Just because she doesn't understand something doesn't warrant attacks on her.
I don't enjoy all of this conflict and have decided that maybe it's best I do remove myself from this thread. I came here to learn and to give advice on things I already know. I can honestly say what has went on the last couple of days isn't enjoyable for me. I do think there are alot of breeders and yorkie owners on here that are very nice and helpful. I am glad I have met those. I also feel that there are alot of people on here that are too quick to criticize then they want to threaten when a rebuttal is called for. I am not fond of people that can be cruel.
I don't know what else to say other than I can sit around and listen or read..to some of you ridicule people. It's not right. So therefore I will just email the one's I like and stay away from the ones I don't.

in my opinion i think people who are going to breed need to breed for a standard because we don't need to get off topic and start breeding more dogs. that is the last things we need, i love dogs to death, and that is what makes me so sad is that there are so many without homes. so i think people only need to breed to high standards (which are show dogs) so nothing gets out of hand. there are yorkie rescues, and a yorkie is a yorkie. all dogs have awesome personalities so if you cannot afford a show puppy rescue one who needs a second chance!

Yorkies are not readily available even in rescue. Mutts, including yorkie mixes are sometimes, even small dogs are hard to find a rescue and pounds. I do wish we could close down all puppymills and place those animals in kind homes. I am sorry, but obviously, if we left it up to some breeders; 1st - children, or homes with children would not be allowed to have yorkies at all. 2nd - prices would continue to escalate to the point where only the movie stars could have a yorkie, they would be the only ones who could afford the few available. We would have to wait in line at the ASPCA in Hollywood to get a Yorkie. Yorkies make lovely pets and since I raised my own AKC litter, I know they are the best in the world. I hope you all feel the same about yours!

I like your reply to this Pat (YorkieRose) I agree with you completely.

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Oh don't worry there will be plenty of Yorkie's in rescue soon enough with them moving to the number 3 spot on the AKC list (see stats below). Everyday there are over 300 available in rescue/pounds/shelters and this number is going up. Luckily for Yorkie's there are many strong rescue organizations and many of the pounds and shelters have worked with these rescue organizations to pull these little ones out of these awful situations. Many a Yorkie could not/have not survived in a pound or shelter situation.

•Only 38% of all dogs and cats will remain in their first home for their entire lives.
•Nationally, over 50% of all adopted animals are no longer in their adoptive home after just the first year.

Wow thats sad! I didnt realize the numbers were that high.

I read some of the other threads but not all..

I am a believer in breeding to the standards set by the AKC, and breeding with another dog that has strong points where your female has weak points.

I know of a very reputable show person, she told me it is all politics really- not the best of breed always wins, and you are fooling yourself if you believe that... the show world is filled with politics and who's who.

I also don't believe that you need to show to breed, come on- if you are going by the AKC standards, why does a judge have to tell you if your dog is good enough... your vet has cleared your dog of all health issues, why does what a judge feel, the only way to go? one dog may win over another because the judge liked their looks better... even though both dogs were 100% on the mark for standards. Does that mean the one who didn't win isn't good enough?

I myself would not buy a dog by a person who breeds and shows if they put their dogs into other homes after their breeding life is over- I myself want a dog who comes from a family breeder, one with a small amt of dogs, and one who keeps them until they pass.... I want to know that the breeder, has dogs because she wants them, and doesn't get rid of them when they are no longer bringing in the dough.

Everyone has their preferences, that is why there are so many different breeders out there.... just because I like things one way, doesn't mean it has to be that way.

I see a lot of people who feel superior because they are "show" people.... I guess if you feel you are better than any one of us who has, or will breed a dog, following as close to AKC as you do... well then more power to you... but there are many who feel that your way isn't the way it has to be... and just because some breeders dont' show doesn't mean their dogs are of any less quality than yours.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... and can you believe this one?? I bred a yorkie, who I didn't show, and I got a pup who I have been told by the vet and a show person that my pup is show quality.... but it isn't for me... I am not going to subject my family pet to the life of a show dog... she loves the grass, she loves to run through the snow, she loves to be "free"... not kenneled to protect her coat.

People just need to take pride in what they do... and not worry about what so and so may think... who cares? If you are doing what is right by the dogs then there is nothing to worry about.

If one of the parents were reg you can CKC your yorkie.

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how do you do that and what ??????????? exspences is there ?

I'm not sure cause I didnt care about papers on Kloey, her dad was reg but her mom wasent, I think you may have to have copies of the parent that is reg, but dont quote me on it. check this site out...
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/Rules.aspx

thank you

Brenda...WOW.....THIS Was a wonderful post :) ...Very nicely said and you have a great way with words.....

I think you summed up what many of us feel...at least I know I do...I appreciate all the people who offer their opinions...but I really relate the most with what you just said.

this post has ALOT of heart... :thumbup: