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Juliealfies mum · 02-11-2006, 02:04 PM

Best of luck

cchu · 02-11-2006, 02:16 PM

hmmm...it sounds to me that he's not overly aggressive. Maybe he just gets too excited? I have no advice to give because I wouldn't know what to do myself.

Let me know the outcome. Good Luck!

SnowWa · 02-11-2006, 02:34 PM

I think that biting is especially bad bad behavior -- about the worst thing a dog can do --- so, in spite of everyone's complaining, I am especially strict and firm about stopping this.

I brought a tiny little Bichon puppy home one time and my other dog somehow got hold of him (jealousy) and threw him out to the grass. This hurt the little pup, scared me to death, and I thought the pup had really been hurt. Spontaneously - I gave my other dog the only spanking she ever had in her life (and I had her for 12 years). She never bit or hurt the puppy again. For a week or two, she did growl whenever the puppy was near her, but the pup soon won her over, and they became wonderful playful friends in a very short time and their friendship lasted for years.

My Yorkie loves people and has never bitten anyone - but like some of your dogs - he could.. I always carry him in my arms when I answer the door. I do this mainly because I don't want him darting out, but also it gives him a chance to see who's coming in and get ready to play.

If my Yorkie did bite someone (for what appears to be no good reason) - I would tell him "No no" very very sternly and pat him on the little behind - not enough to hurt him, but enough to let him know that I was very very upset with what he had done. And, I'd put him in the mud room for half an hour or so. And, when I let him out, I would remind him again that he had been very bad. Then whatever good behavior he showed toward the person he bit would be reinforced with a great deal of praise and fuss.

Again - I don't think my little guy would ever bite anyone, but if he does, this is the one time that he will be sternly disciplined. He can shred a roll of toilet paper all over the house, pee on the carpet, poop in the kitchen, or distroy my favorite book ----but he cannot bite people. He is as spoiled as any of your dogs, but again --he cannot bite people.

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I would like to add that there are no exceptions - but there are. I was a lake where a little toddler tormented one of my dogs all day long. He kept pulling the hair on my dog's face and hitting her in the face. And, my dog kept going under chairs, etc., trying to stay away from the little boy. I told the mom that my dog might bite because it hurt her having the hair on her face pulled. She said, "Oh well, it will just be a good lesson for my little boy. He has to learn that if he hurts a dog, he might get bitten." I spent the better part of the day holding my dog, placing my legs in front of her when she was under my chair, etc. But, eventually, as you would expect, my dog finally nipped the little boy...not hard, but it scared the little boy and made him cry. And, in unison, everyone on the deck said, "I would have bit him too."

And I want to add that this was a family reunion that I hosted for twenty-some people. It cost me many thousands of dollars and everyone's dog was welcome. We had about six dogs there, and I know they had as much fun as the people did.

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Dog's are very smart. They know the difference between "No no - don't pee on the carpet" and when they are being disciplined for something that is far more serious.

Again - following only a few exceptions, I believe in strict, quick, and firm discipline for any of my dogs that ever bites someone.

Carol Jean

Yorkie Mum · 02-11-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowWa

I think that biting is especially bad bad behavior -- about the worst thing a dog can do --- so, in spite of everyone's complaining, I am especially strict and firm about stopping this.

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I would like to add that there are no exceptions - but there are. I was a lake where a little toddler tormented one of my dogs all day long. He kept pulling the hair on my dog's face and hitting her in the face. And, my dog kept going under chairs, etc., trying to stay away from the little boy. I told the mom that my dog might bite because it hurt her having the hair on her face pulled. She said, "Oh well, it will just be a good lesson for my little boy. He has to learn that if he hurts a dog, he might get bitten." I spent the better part of the day holding my dog, placing my legs in front of her when she was under my chair, etc. But, eventually, as you would expect, my dog finally nipped the little boy...not hard, but it scared the little boy and made him cry. And, in unison, everyone on the deck said, "I would have bit him too."

And I want to add that this was a family reunion that I hosted for twenty-some people. It cost me many thousands of dollars and everyone's dog was welcome. We had about six dogs there, and I know they had as much fun as the people did.

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Carol Jean

I would not have allowed this to occur I would have removed myself and my dog or had the kid removed. There was no reason for that nip to occur the dog asked for help for you to step in and stop the kid.
You know where this was going. Bites are not a good thing even if the kid asked for it. It leads to a dog going there a lot faster cause you just taught him you will not help.
With aggressive dogs you must teach them you will back them all the time if they look to you to help out.
As far as spanking, come on up and try it on my girl.
Let you have one and only one shot at that. Only thing is you have to agree to clean up the mess when she comes unglued on you. I mean the mess she is in her head once you try to spank.
Might does not make right and force does not always work it could just make it a lot worse.
Why go to a spank that can back fire when a gentle way works just as fast and a mess does not occur if you do something the dog does not take to.

Joy

fasteddie · 02-11-2006, 03:36 PM

Have you tried a timeout before with Chachi after he bites or nips? Like put him in a place by himself for a little bit, a place he might not particularly like... Also, we've found that a stern "NO!" a few times in your best disciplinarian voice can help, or a spray of water mist (some Yorkies like this), or rattling of a few pennies in a can, can discourage a Yorkie from this behavior. Good luck with him!

Gingergirlsmom · 02-11-2006, 04:17 PM

First, there's a lot of great advice on here from people who seem pretty qualified. So please, take this for what it is, just another yorkie owners opinion!

That being said, please don't discount the effects of using a qualified trainer who uses positive methods...and please, please, don't use a shock collar. About 10 years ago we let a "trainer" talk us into using one on our beagle mix (who's now 13) and we've been paying for it ever since. Prior to the shock collar use he was strong willed and noisey at worst, after he became fear aggressive. This experience is the reason I looked for a GOOD trainer when Ginger was a puppy and have gone regularly ever since. (don't kid yourself though, it's the trainers job to train YOU, it's your job to do most of the work, and I don't believe behavior can be modified by one 6 week basic obedience class), Under her guidance, not only has Ginger become a well adjusted dog but my 13 year old beagle mix is able to hang out in the back yard with Ginger and her little buddies when they come to play. Something I NEVER would have let him do a year ago. There are good trainers out there. Ask to observe a class or two and trust your instincts. If it doesn't feel right, it isn't.

Good luck whatevery you do! Chachi sure is a cutie!

livingdustmops · 02-11-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkie Mum

I would not have allowed this to occur I would have removed myself and my dog or had the kid removed. There was no reason for that nip to occur the dog asked for help for you to step in and stop the kid.
You know where this was going. Bites are not a good thing even if the kid asked for it. It leads to a dog going there a lot faster cause you just taught him you will not help.
With aggressive dogs you must teach them you will back them all the time if they look to you to help out.
As far as spanking, come on up and try it on my girl.
Let you have one and only one shot at that. Only thing is you have to agree to clean up the mess when she comes unglued on you. I mean the mess she is in her head once you try to spank.
Might does not make right and force does not always work it could just make it a lot worse.
Why go to a spank that can back fire when a gentle way works just as fast and a mess does not occur if you do something the dog does not take to.

Joy

I totally agree with Joy

and Gingergirlsmom

As many of you know I have been given 3 Yorkie bitters from the Humane Society as they could not adopt them out due to lawsuits. Some Yorkie's have a tendency to bite and it will only be made worse if you use outdated training methods. Positive training is the only thing that will work.

YorkieShadow · 02-11-2006, 05:35 PM

I agree I would but in on time out when he acts that way. Good Luck.

lyndice · 02-11-2006, 05:47 PM

I'm not sure if they make these for samll dogs but I had a boxer who went nuts when someone camne to the door and would jump up on people. A trainer told me to get a "Gentle Leader". You can see these in pet catalogs etc. I'm sure you can find info on the internet too. It worked like a charm. Check them out. It must be very unsettling to worry if your dog would hurt someone. I hope this helps.
Lynne

lyndice · 02-11-2006, 06:22 PM

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...188x003&ctt=60 Here they do make a petite petite size and also this will help with barking. Much better than a shock collar. Good Luck!!

YorkieRini · 02-11-2006, 06:35 PM

This reminds me so much of my crazy goons. When I let them out the back door. They growl and carry because they are excited to be the first one outside. Sometimes my sweet Sultan will grab my pant leg as if he's saying hurry up hurry up..i want to be outside first. It is NOT aggression. Chachi's doesnt' sound like aggression either IMHO.

To get their attention and so they mind their manners. I have my flyswatter handy. I bang it on the counter the stop and I say wait..I open the door slowly while still saying 'Wait'. If someone gets carried away I smack the swatter on the counter again. I dont' have to use all the time..if I say 'Wait' the know what that means..I would suggest making a loud noise and telling him 'Wait' or 'No'. The noise is to snap him out of his over excitement

**I am not a professional I am just sharing what worked for me**

Yorkie Mum · 02-11-2006, 08:00 PM

If you are going to try a gentle leader, I would go with the halti over it as you can get a dogs mouth closed and held closed if the need arises.
This I know as I have had the need arise. It is used only to gain control so a bite can not happen and there fore a negative training event.

Biting a human in anyway is aggresion even if it is the pant leg ( unless you are dealing with a herding dog). The dog is trying to gain control over a resouce Or trying to stop a stressful interaction or any other reasons to use it teeth ( accept teething in Puppies). It is all Under the umberalla of aggression and should be handled by a behaviourist. One that is able to work in a postive and calm manner with out the need for violence in any form.

Joy

heather_lathrop · 02-11-2006, 08:05 PM

I don't have any advise, but I just want to say that we will say a prayer that the problem is fixed. I could not imagine having to go through this. I'm sure that you will get plenty of good advise...

YorkieRini · 02-11-2006, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkie Mum

If you are going to try a gentle leader, I would go with the halti over it as you can get a dogs mouth closed and held closed if the need arises.
This I know as I have had the need arise. It is used only to gain control so a bite can not happen and there fore a negative training event.

Biting a human in anyway is aggresion even if it is the pant leg ( unless you are dealing with a herding dog). The dog is trying to gain control over a resouce Or trying to stop a stressful interaction or any other reasons to use it teeth ( accept teething in Puppies). It is all Under the umberalla of aggression and should be handled by a behaviourist. One that is able to work in a postive and calm manner with out the need for violence in any form.

Joy

He's not really biting Joy, it's hard to explain...

Yorkie Mum · 02-11-2006, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

He's not really biting Joy, it's hard to explain...

Just watch it that all I am asking ok.
It can go the wrong place fast.
As long as it stays on the play side do not sweat it.
It switches call me.
With my girl I be on it as it go wrong fast.
You know and I know my girl makes thing go bad fast.
Ok
Joy

02-11-2006, 02:04 PM	#16
Juliealfies mum YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: scotland Posts: 2,224	Best of luck __________________ From Julie Alfie & Lottie

02-11-2006, 02:16 PM	#17
cchu Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,485	hmmm...it sounds to me that he's not overly aggressive. Maybe he just gets too excited? I have no advice to give because I wouldn't know what to do myself. Let me know the outcome. Good Luck! __________________ Christine and Zoe www.dogster.com/?269135 Yes guys...Zoe is a BOY!! He finally forgave me.

02-11-2006, 02:34 PM	#18
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	I think that biting is especially bad bad behavior -- about the worst thing a dog can do --- so, in spite of everyone's complaining, I am especially strict and firm about stopping this. I brought a tiny little Bichon puppy home one time and my other dog somehow got hold of him (jealousy) and threw him out to the grass. This hurt the little pup, scared me to death, and I thought the pup had really been hurt. Spontaneously - I gave my other dog the only spanking she ever had in her life (and I had her for 12 years). She never bit or hurt the puppy again. For a week or two, she did growl whenever the puppy was near her, but the pup soon won her over, and they became wonderful playful friends in a very short time and their friendship lasted for years. My Yorkie loves people and has never bitten anyone - but like some of your dogs - he could.. I always carry him in my arms when I answer the door. I do this mainly because I don't want him darting out, but also it gives him a chance to see who's coming in and get ready to play. If my Yorkie did bite someone (for what appears to be no good reason) - I would tell him "No no" very very sternly and pat him on the little behind - not enough to hurt him, but enough to let him know that I was very very upset with what he had done. And, I'd put him in the mud room for half an hour or so. And, when I let him out, I would remind him again that he had been very bad. Then whatever good behavior he showed toward the person he bit would be reinforced with a great deal of praise and fuss. Again - I don't think my little guy would ever bite anyone, but if he does, this is the one time that he will be sternly disciplined. He can shred a roll of toilet paper all over the house, pee on the carpet, poop in the kitchen, or distroy my favorite book ----but he cannot bite people. He is as spoiled as any of your dogs, but again --he cannot bite people. ----------- I would like to add that there are no exceptions - but there are. I was a lake where a little toddler tormented one of my dogs all day long. He kept pulling the hair on my dog's face and hitting her in the face. And, my dog kept going under chairs, etc., trying to stay away from the little boy. I told the mom that my dog might bite because it hurt her having the hair on her face pulled. She said, "Oh well, it will just be a good lesson for my little boy. He has to learn that if he hurts a dog, he might get bitten." I spent the better part of the day holding my dog, placing my legs in front of her when she was under my chair, etc. But, eventually, as you would expect, my dog finally nipped the little boy...not hard, but it scared the little boy and made him cry. And, in unison, everyone on the deck said, "I would have bit him too." And I want to add that this was a family reunion that I hosted for twenty-some people. It cost me many thousands of dollars and everyone's dog was welcome. We had about six dogs there, and I know they had as much fun as the people did. -------------- Dog's are very smart. They know the difference between "No no - don't pee on the carpet" and when they are being disciplined for something that is far more serious. Again - following only a few exceptions, I believe in strict, quick, and firm discipline for any of my dogs that ever bites someone. Carol Jean __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words.

02-11-2006, 03:36 PM	#20
fasteddie *YT 6000 Club Member* Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,238	Have you tried a timeout before with Chachi after he bites or nips? Like put him in a place by himself for a little bit, a place he might not particularly like... Also, we've found that a stern "NO!" a few times in your best disciplinarian voice can help, or a spray of water mist (some Yorkies like this), or rattling of a few pennies in a can, can discourage a Yorkie from this behavior. Good luck with him! __________________ YODA & WINKY R ::: RIP Winky ::: RIP Yoda!

02-11-2006, 05:47 PM	#24
lyndice Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Floyd, VA Posts: 14	I'm not sure if they make these for samll dogs but I had a boxer who went nuts when someone camne to the door and would jump up on people. A trainer told me to get a "Gentle Leader". You can see these in pet catalogs etc. I'm sure you can find info on the internet too. It worked like a charm. Check them out. It must be very unsettling to worry if your dog would hurt someone. I hope this helps. Lynne __________________ *Lynne, Roscoe & Libby*

02-11-2006, 04:17 PM	#21
Gingergirlsmom and Bernie's mom too!" Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 8,283	First, there's a lot of great advice on here from people who seem pretty qualified. So please, take this for what it is, just another yorkie owners opinion! That being said, please don't discount the effects of using a qualified trainer who uses positive methods...and please, please, don't use a shock collar. About 10 years ago we let a "trainer" talk us into using one on our beagle mix (who's now 13) and we've been paying for it ever since. Prior to the shock collar use he was strong willed and noisey at worst, after he became fear aggressive. This experience is the reason I looked for a GOOD trainer when Ginger was a puppy and have gone regularly ever since. (don't kid yourself though, it's the trainers job to train YOU, it's your job to do most of the work, and I don't believe behavior can be modified by one 6 week basic obedience class), Under her guidance, not only has Ginger become a well adjusted dog but my 13 year old beagle mix is able to hang out in the back yard with Ginger and her little buddies when they come to play. Something I NEVER would have let him do a year ago. There are good trainers out there. Ask to observe a class or two and trust your instincts. If it doesn't feel right, it isn't. Good luck whatevery you do! Chachi sure is a cutie!

02-11-2006, 05:35 PM	#23
YorkieShadow BANNED! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 9,999	I agree I would but in on time out when he acts that way. Good Luck.

02-11-2006, 06:22 PM	#25
lyndice Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Floyd, VA Posts: 14	http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...188x003&ctt=60 Here they do make a petite petite size and also this will help with barking. Much better than a shock collar. Good Luck!! __________________ *Lynne, Roscoe & Libby*

02-11-2006, 06:35 PM	#26
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	This reminds me so much of my crazy goons. When I let them out the back door. They growl and carry because they are excited to be the first one outside. Sometimes my sweet Sultan will grab my pant leg as if he's saying hurry up hurry up..i want to be outside first. It is NOT aggression. Chachi's doesnt' sound like aggression either IMHO. To get their attention and so they mind their manners. I have my flyswatter handy. I bang it on the counter the stop and I say wait..I open the door slowly while still saying 'Wait'. If someone gets carried away I smack the swatter on the counter again. I dont' have to use all the time..if I say 'Wait' the know what that means..I would suggest making a loud noise and telling him 'Wait' or 'No'. The noise is to snap him out of his over excitement I am not a professional I am just sharing what worked for me Last edited by YorkieRini; 02-11-2006 at 06:37 PM.

02-11-2006, 08:00 PM	#27
Yorkie Mum YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere land Posts: 364	If you are going to try a gentle leader, I would go with the halti over it as you can get a dogs mouth closed and held closed if the need arises. This I know as I have had the need arise. It is used only to gain control so a bite can not happen and there fore a negative training event. Biting a human in anyway is aggresion even if it is the pant leg ( unless you are dealing with a herding dog). The dog is trying to gain control over a resouce Or trying to stop a stressful interaction or any other reasons to use it teeth ( accept teething in Puppies). It is all Under the umberalla of aggression and should be handled by a behaviourist. One that is able to work in a postive and calm manner with out the need for violence in any form. Joy

02-11-2006, 08:05 PM	#28
heather_lathrop Gizmo and Gidget's Pet Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,326	I don't have any advise, but I just want to say that we will say a prayer that the problem is fixed. I could not imagine having to go through this. I'm sure that you will get plenty of good advise... __________________ Heather & Max - In honor of my sweet Ayden!